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I don't know if there is a similar procedure in the US, but in England you can be interviewed "under caution" - i.e an officer reads you your rights prior to interview:
This is often the case where a suspect volunteers to give a statement.
Even so, if Zimmerman wasn't arrested on the night of the killing, I still find that pretty strange TBH.
without having needed to be arrested, as laid out in the The Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you fail to mention something when questioned that you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be used in evidence against you.
This is often the case where a suspect volunteers to give a statement.
Even so, if Zimmerman wasn't arrested on the night of the killing, I still find that pretty strange TBH.
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If a bouncer tells me: "Hey man, we don't need you to get involved here", I know I continue to get involved in peril of getting kicked out or getting a smack. If a police says it (or a Despatcher), about following someone with anpolice car on the way? Same reasoning. But hey, I'm sure you're right.Blaidd Drwg wrote:Gorbachev wrote:Networks, print media and the police. In fact, everyone bar a few wise old birds here on IGx.Blaidd Drwg wrote:No it's apparent networks are as stupid as Milosv and Gorbz...what they should be ashamed of is not their stupidity, it's the character assassination which followed and willful misreporting of other facts....height and weight differences etc.
They did not misreport that Martin just turned 17 and was unarmed. Nor that Zimmerman was told by police not to pursue him. Nor that having shot Martin at 7.16pm or so, Zimmerman went to the police station and was home by 10.15pm a free man. Those facts, I take it, are not disputed, counsellor Bad Dog?
The first fact may be correct.
The second fact is indisputably not correct.
Sanford dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yes.”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
The third fact is insightful to your point...he was not a free man between being brought into custody and being released without charge later that evening.
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The dispatcher's words amounted to good advice, not a lawful order.
Regardless, we don't yet know whether Zimmerman continued to follow Martin against dispatcher's advice.
Regardless, we don't yet know whether Zimmerman continued to follow Martin against dispatcher's advice.
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johno wrote:The dispatcher's words amounted to good advice, not a lawful order.
Regardless, we don't yet know whether Zimmerman continued to follow Martin against dispatcher's advice.
Because the charges against Zimmerman include a blatant misrepresentation of this fact, it's going to be a significant issue for the prosecution.
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The dispatcher was not a cop, but Zimmerman's response was "OK". Based on what the tape says, you don't know that he continued to pursue Martin.Gorbachev wrote:If a bouncer tells me: "Hey man, we don't need you to get involved here", I know I continue to get involved in peril of getting kicked out or getting a smack. If a police says it (or a Despatcher), about following someone with anpolice car on the way? Same reasoning. But hey, I'm sure you're right.Blaidd Drwg wrote:Gorbachev wrote:Networks, print media and the police. In fact, everyone bar a few wise old birds here on IGx.Blaidd Drwg wrote:No it's apparent networks are as stupid as Milosv and Gorbz...what they should be ashamed of is not their stupidity, it's the character assassination which followed and willful misreporting of other facts....height and weight differences etc.
They did not misreport that Martin just turned 17 and was unarmed. Nor that Zimmerman was told by police not to pursue him. Nor that having shot Martin at 7.16pm or so, Zimmerman went to the police station and was home by 10.15pm a free man. Those facts, I take it, are not disputed, counsellor Bad Dog?
The first fact may be correct.
The second fact is indisputably not correct.
Sanford dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yes.”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
The third fact is insightful to your point...he was not a free man between being brought into custody and being released without charge later that evening.
And it's inaccurate to say that Zimmerman "went" to a police station. This might be at the root of your poor understanding of the case. He was taken to a police station in handcuffs in the back of a car. That is not "securing a scene" as Milo suggested. It's an arrest, regardless of whether he was eventually charged or how long he was held.
If you doubt this, ask a criminal attorney.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... tml?ref=us
^^^NYTimes interactive that lays out the geography of the neighborhood and a rough sequence of events.
It's an open question whether, after the dispatcher advises him to not follow, Zimmerman was returning to his truck or continuing to follow Trayvon Martin.
^^^NYTimes interactive that lays out the geography of the neighborhood and a rough sequence of events.
It's an open question whether, after the dispatcher advises him to not follow, Zimmerman was returning to his truck or continuing to follow Trayvon Martin.
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if choosing between criminals, I'd go with the Jewish one...BucketHead wrote:One from Toledo or one with 6-pack abs?Pinky wrote:If you doubt this, ask a criminal attorney.
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Jesus Matt, you're fucking killing me. Hilarious. Don't forget we have another one that tames iron. An there's at least another one or two who could weight in as well.
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The Buffet Line Bandit is also a M.O.T.?Shapecharge wrote:Jesus Matt, you're fucking killing me. Hilarious. Don't forget we have another one that tames iron. An there's at least another one or two who could weight in as well.
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Interesting that no one has yet openly discussed the obvious possibility of a second shooter.
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Gorbachev wrote:Interesting that no one has yet openly discussed the obvious possibility of a second shooter.
Ok....that..was pretty good. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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On an old MySpace page belonging to George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin and is charged with his murder, makes disparaging comments about Mexicans and details his response to a criminal case against him in 2005.
The page was first made public by the Miami Herald. Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, confirmed that the page is George Zimmerman's MySpace, but has been unused for years.
On Zimmerman's legal defense fund website, his lawyers admit that the page "will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light especially considering the charges he faces."
"In that regard, it is possible that the statements Mr. Zimmerman made could be used as part of the trial, and therefore it is our policy not to comment directly on items that could become evidence," the site read. The statement also that the social media accounts of "all the parties" involved might come under scrutiny, and may be introduced at the trial as evidence.
Photos on Zimmerman's MySpace page show Zimmerman, who calls himself "Joe G.," with groups of friends. In his biographical blurb, he discusses things he doesn't miss about his former home in Manassas, Virginia:
I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”
In an August 24, 2005 blog post, he boasts about his relief about the proceedings in a criminal case.
Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges......
A few days later, he expresses happiness that the other charges against him were reduced to misdemeanors.
2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!
In 2005, a 20-year-old Zimmerman was arrested and charged after an altercation with a police officer. The same year, his ex-fianceé filed a restraining order against him and accused him of domestic violence.
The 28-year-old Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, on the night of Feb. 26. The case has garnered international attention, as many have called the case an example of rampant racial profiling, and have called for a repeal of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" gun laws.
Social media has played a major role in the case so far. News about the case spread virally on sites like Facebook and Twitter before it was picked up by mainstream outlets, and Martin's since-deleted tweets were made public by the Daily Caller, a conservative news website. One of Martin's accounts, called "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA," in which Martin is shown with gold fronts in his mouth and talking about drug use, was seen by many Zimmerman supporters as evidence that the slain teenager was a hoodlum.
"These were not protected tweets," the site's editor told The Huffington Post about the decision to run Martin's tweets, which were from an account that was no longer active. "While he was alive, these were not outside of the public sphere in any shape or form."
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what is with all the young men of our age talking like that?
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Why is the shooter always referred to by his last name and the victim by his first?johno wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... tml?ref=us
^^^NYTimes interactive that lays out the geography of the neighborhood and a rough sequence of events.
It's an open question whether, after the dispatcher advises him to not follow, Zimmerman was returning to his truck or continuing to follow Trayvon Martin.
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LULZTerry B. wrote:Why is the shooter always referred to by his last name and the victim by his first?johno wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... tml?ref=us
^^^NYTimes interactive that lays out the geography of the neighborhood and a rough sequence of events.
It's an open question whether, after the dispatcher advises him to not follow, Zimmerman was returning to his truck or continuing to follow Trayvon Martin.
Robert Zimmerman, George’s father, said that George was walking back to his truck when Trayvon appeared from behind. Trayvon punched George in the nose and slammed his head into the sidewalk, he said. When George tried to move away from the pavement onto the grass, the gun inside his waistband became visible. Mr. Zimmerman said that George believes Trayvon saw the pistol and said, “You are going to die tonight.” Moments later, George pulled out his pistol and shot Trayvon in the chest.
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fool to leave TerryB in charge of the facts!
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SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. —
Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
ABC News reports the medical records were part of evidence released on Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman. He has entered a plea of not guilty and claims self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting.
A message left Tuesday evening with Zimmerman's attorney was not immediately returned.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said the new information helps Zimmerman more than state prosecutors.
"It goes along with Zimmerman's story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beat up by Trayvon Martin," said Sheaffer.
According to an autopsy report, the only other injury Martin had aside from the fatal gunshot wound was broken skin on his knuckles.
That also could play into Zimmerman's story that Martin punched him in the nose and then slammed his head on the sidewalk.
But Sheaffer said there could be another explanation for Martin's injury.
"It could be consistent with Trayvon either trying to get away or defend himself," Sheaffer said.
Zimmerman shot and killed the unarmed teenager almost three months ago after calling 911 to report that Martin was acting suspiciously.
Zimmerman said Martin threw the first punch and that he opened fire in self-defense after his screams for help went unanswered.
The FBI was not able to determine whether it was Zimmerman or Martin who could be heard crying out for help in 911 calls.
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The Zimmerman Defense is halfway home. They want to prove that Zimmerman had some reason to fear that he would be harmed or killed. The autopsy report & medical records support that.Blaidd Drwg wrote:SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. —
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Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
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According to an autopsy report, the only other injury Martin had aside from the fatal gunshot wound was broken skin on his knuckles.
The Defense also wants to show that Zimmerman did not make an illegal approach/contact with Martin. Lacking witnesses, it's sort of a Jump Ball.
IMO, Jump Ball = reasonable doubt = Not Guilty verdict -> riots in the street.
But I don't discount funky stuff like a stacked jury or federal meddling.
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http://www.criminaldefenseattorneytampa ... ndLaw.aspx
Zimmerman can invoke statutory immunity, and then a hearing must be held.
Zimmerman can invoke statutory immunity, and then a hearing must be held.
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He can force a pre-trial determination, but I'd be shocked if the preponderance of evidence supported immunity. Better strategy is to use the castle doctrine as a defence in the main trial rather than have a negative hearing outcome appear to lend weight to the counter-argument that the castle doctrine may not apply.
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Maybe. But if he is clever, he should simply invoke the Rook rule and thereby circumvent the procuration process entirely.
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You must have like, a business card and shit.BucketHead wrote:Maybe. But if he is clever, he should simply invoke the Rook rule and thereby circumvent the procuration process entirely.
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johno wrote:The Zimmerman Defense is halfway home. They want to prove that Zimmerman had some reason to fear that he would be harmed or killed. The autopsy report & medical records support that.Blaidd Drwg wrote:SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. —
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Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
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According to an autopsy report, the only other injury Martin had aside from the fatal gunshot wound was broken skin on his knuckles.
The Defense also wants to show that Zimmerman did not make an illegal approach/contact with Martin. Lacking witnesses, it's sort of a Jump Ball.
IMO, Jump Ball = reasonable doubt = Not Guilty verdict -> riots in the street.
But I don't discount funky stuff like a stacked jury or federal meddling.
Yet some Liberal douchbag was saying "You can;t shoot someone who is unarmed in a fight."
Yeah, people don;t become stamering retards from being punched in the head or their skulls being bounced on the ground. In fact the last part shows deadly intent, hence responce in kind= DEADLY FORCE! ( A Golan- Globus film staring Sho Koshugi!

He does not even need "Stand your ground."
Years ago we had a Spots county D.A. and our Sensei pointed out how he flet you could make a good case in court of self defense if you kill a man who punches at your head. He pointed out that as an expert in martial arts and SD, he knew for a fact that punches to the head and neck can be fatl or mentally debilitating.
The D.A. said "You might have a good argument if presented right."
He kicked it aorund his office for a week and he came back and said "Yeah, very doable."
Now if your attacker is an underage black kid and the POTUS chimes in your still going to be in the hotseat.
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