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I wish Zimmerspiccerkike woulda shot G@n@ in the face.

http://www.liberalsarehypocrites.org/De ... ogid=12874

Since Troy want's to judge Zimmerman negativly by his internet comments, scroll down and see how Travon talks.

DARTH wrote:http://www.liberalsarehypocrites.org/De ... ogid=12874

Since Troy want's to judge Zimmerman negativly by his internet comments, scroll down and see how Travon talks.

LOL, at "No Limit Nigga"

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

johno wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... tml?ref=us

^^^NYTimes interactive that lays out the geography of the neighborhood and a rough sequence of events.

It's an open question whether, after the dispatcher advises him to not follow, Zimmerman was returning to his truck or continuing to follow Trayvon Martin.

Why is the shooter always referred to by his last name and the victim by his first?

LULZ
Robert Zimmerman, George’s father, said that George was walking back to his truck when Trayvon appeared from behind. Trayvon punched George in the nose and slammed his head into the sidewalk, he said. When George tried to move away from the pavement onto the grass, the gun inside his waistband became visible. Mr. Zimmerman said that George believes Trayvon saw the pistol and said, “You are going to die tonight.” Moments later, George pulled out his pistol and shot Trayvon in the chest.

Yes, his father uses his first name but, in general, the media spins the narrative the other way.

Gorbachev wrote:The Zimmermann case is truly interesting not for what happened, but rather because it holds a mirror up to the utterly polarised, media-weary but media-savvy, fact-twisting cynical level of "discourse" in today's US. We're witnessing the bottom-up killing of impartial comment and thought. Everything we read is filtered, melted down and remoulded to fit a desired narrative. Everything we utter is parsed, stripped of any succour for the opposition and then spat out venomously as cold fact.

The media doesn't try to report the "news" to the entire populace as they did when three stations fought for viewership of the entire country. Now, you report to your demographic and tell them the story they want to hear - if they like it, they tune in for more.

DARTH wrote:http://www.liberalsarehypocrites.org/De ... ogid=12874

Since Troy want's to judge Zimmerman negativly by his internet comments, scroll down and see how Travon talks.

You want to translate what it says?

The lead investigator in the case wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter in the weeks after the shooting but was overruled.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... n-killing/

The evidence supports Zimmerman's contention that he was being beat up when he fired the fatal shot. At the same time, it bolsters the argument of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was profiling Martin and that the whole confrontation could have been avoided if not for Zimmerman's actions.

CharlieBob wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... rtem-drugs

CB, you need to put a bit of sizzle on it.

"Trayvon might have been on the ganga at the time."

Wasn't he going for snacks? Had the munchies.

Terry B. wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... n-killing/

The evidence supports Zimmerman's contention that he was being beat up when he fired the fatal shot. At the same time, it bolsters the argument of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was profiling Martin and that the whole confrontation could have been avoided if not for Zimmerman's actions.

This story has a lot of other good stuff in it, even beyond the witness statements of a "MMA style" beatdown.

First, the police point out that Zimmerman could have avoided all of this. Even those of us who think there is no evidence (so far) that is inconsistent with self defense have to acknowledge that the guy failed self defense 101. If you see someone who looks like trouble, you don't get out of your car or even hang out nearby in your car. You leave the area.

Martin's father either saying the voice was not his son's or not being able to tell whose voice it was is interesting.

It clarifies what "intermediate range" is:

The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.

It also clarifies the street-sign issue. Not knowing the house number is a lot more credible than not knowing the street name.

Self Defense 101 yes, but looking after your own no. He was the wacth boy.

I have a right to walk up to a stranger acting suspicious in my area and check him out. As long as I dont just pull my gun, threaten, assult or berate him but simply ask him who he is and what he is up to then he can either answer or tell me to fuck off. It might not be the safest or smartest thing to do but you have a right to approach and talk to people but they have no right to assult you for words that do not fit the aforementioned criteria.

If he does than he gets met with the intent of force he project towards me.

You know why the Hell's Angels can have their clubhouses in some fo the roughest minority areas and not get fucked with ?(Except by other Bikers) Because they confront and handle any bullshit around them and word spreads fast.

Granted I probably would not have had to ue my pistol on Travon, I'd twist him up into a lock and start slowly snapping his fingers, starting with the thumb.

2 cases for me #1 Last year or so I saw 2 Thug looking types hanging at the park across from my house, where my kids play. They were acting like they were up to no good. Was not long before one of them lit up a joint. I usually dont give a shit but A. Not in daylight and in front of kids. B. Fuckers looked like they did not belong here, so they gave me a reason. So I decided to let my taxes work for me instead of against me and called the cops.

1 Cop comes, approaches them and all the sudden one pulls a runner while the other one stands there. (and I had a rifle trained on him through the window in case he decided to come up on the Cop's 6 and help his buddy out.)

The runner throws something one way and then something else another. A differnt cop come from up the street and joins in and the shithead is caught.

What he tossed was a.25 auto and the magizine for it.

Now if I went out there and confronted them myself, I bet they would have tried to "Keep it Real" in wich case in Va. 2 vs 1 equals the right to bring deadly force to bear and Homey and I would have had a test of wills, training and the difference between a shit pistol best used in robbery and murder of the unsuspecting and my 1911A1, a pistol made to put down hard men in combat.

Could have been a bit of a legal mess (In Va. I would most likely spend 2 hours making a statement with a lawyer present and then back home) but not a moral issue for me one bit. My neigboors appriciate my regulation of assholes.

The other I have explainded here enough but suffice to say I knew there was fuck all the cops would have done about the asshole speeding and playing Dukes of Hazzard in front of my house. The Travon's who got out of the car and their buddies playing basketball had an issue with being asked about their buddy and being asked to pass on my warrning to him. (And I was very cordual and decent right u until they were not.) Later one of their cunts decided to bring her Mommy and Brother down to talk shit (Total Mudfish, Jerry Springer Cunt). Brother did not like when I told her to shut her fuck hole and he decided to be the War Daddy. Well he got bit in the face, poked in the eye, susspended by his about to be broken (If I wanted to increase the lift by about 5%) arm and headbutted in the face. End results worked for me though. The Cops laughed at him for being dumb enough to fuck with me when he knew who I was and what I did and doing so on my front yard.

No one speeds and does does peel outs in front of my house like that and all the Teens and 20 nothings are very respectfull towards me, my children and my property.

If I had called the cops? Nothing and I might have had to throw a KB into Asshole Andretti's window and beat him with his car door later.

I can't get away with fucking someone up because they approach me and say some stupid shit and if I do then I might deserve to be shot. Same for Trayvon.

Let him be an example to all those young black boys on the edge between being a decent person and a thug that if you act a fol, you might get a bullet through the heart.

DARTH wrote: I have a right to walk up to a stranger acting suspicious in my area and check him out.
As long as I dont just pull my gun, threaten, assult or berate him but simply ask him who he is and what he is up to then he can either answer or tell me to fuck off.

That is my understanding of the Rules of Civilization and the law. So, even if Zimmerman profiled & followed Trayvon because of his race, he had a right to do so.

Question is, who made the first illegal move? Did Zimmerman assault Martin, or did Martin "get real" with Zimmerman?

johno wrote:

DARTH wrote: I have a right to walk up to a stranger acting suspicious in my area and check him out.
As long as I dont just pull my gun, threaten, assult or berate him but simply ask him who he is and what he is up to then he can either answer or tell me to fuck off.

That is my understanding of the Rules of Civilization and the law. So, even if Zimmerman profiled & followed Trayvon because of his race, he had a right to do so.

Question is, who made the first illegal move? Did Zimmerman assault Martin, or did Martin "get real" with Zimmerman?

And that was for the officers on scene to decide, or the local DA to decide or the Court to decide. Not ABC, Obama or a group of people with double digit I.Q.'s

But seeing as the boy only had the gunshot wound and skimmed knuckles while Zimmerman took a good deal of damage it very well could be Travon keeping it real or Zimmerman throew a punch and Travon blocked it and responeded in kind. But doing the head bounce is considered deadly assult in many palces so even if Zimmerman through the firsr blow the boy took it too far by many's values. (Not mine)

This could be what used to be classified as "Shit Happen!" " A damn shame."and left at that.

DARTH wrote:Self Defense 101 yes, but looking after your own no. He was the wacth boy.

I have a right to walk up to a stranger acting suspicious in my area and check him out. As long as I dont just pull my gun, threaten, assult or berate him but simply ask him who he is and what he is up to then he can either answer or tell me to fuck off. It might not be the safest or smartest thing to do but you have a right to approach and talk to people but they have no right to assult you for words that do not fit the aforementioned criteria.

Agreed. Zimmerman's actions were not prudent, but he had every right to do what (we think) he did. The fact that he could have avoided having his head smashed into the sidewalk is more a lesson for others than something that should affect the outcome of this case.

DARTH wrote: This could be what used to be classified as "Shit Happen!" " A damn shame."and left at that.

True. In fact, take a little bit further...If Zimmerman had been a cop, he'd have received a commendation and would back in his squad car.

DARTH wrote: Not ABC, Obama or a group of people with double digit I.Q.'s.

You might be giving them too much credit.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

DARTH wrote: This could be what used to be classified as "Shit Happen!" " A damn shame."and left at that.

True. In fact, take a little bit further...If Zimmerman had been a cop, he'd have received a commendation and would back in his squad car.

Hold up there, puppy. You're the gentleman espousing "Trust No One" as a creed, right? You curate the Officer Friendly thread? Darth and Pinky say it's cool for people to walk up to other people at night, armed, approaching them and asking them questions? And you agree? Have I got that right?

See, Darth's stories of bravura homestead defence could just as easily be spun the other way. Imagine:

"So I'm walking back from a store and this low sized Mexican lookin dude is driving around and suddenly he's in my face and asking me all kinds of shot about who I am and what I'm doing. I'm thinking this guy might be about to get physical. I'm just about my business and Im totally legit but he's moving towards me and tellin me not to move. I don't wait for those fuckers to hit first. He got inside my space and I went for him. Got him down - he was a lot older than me, I was like, 17, and I punched him but he kept at it so I slammed his head into the sidewalk cos it was him or me and I didn't start that shit. I'm not letting some jumped up fucker end my days or put me in a wheelchair. I grew up around enough Mexicans blah blah blah".

Yes...You are slow.

Stupid thug wannabee kid tries to intimidate and threaten armed man gets radically different treatment depending on who is the dead guy and who has gun

Because Trayvon is black we're having this conversation.

If Trayvon were white, we'd have never heard this.

If Zimmerman was a cop he'd be back on the beat. and we'd have not questioned it at all.
Now I hate the police but would I be surprised at the slightest? Ummm no.
You fuck with the bull, you get the horns. Same basic fact pattern, radically different hand wringing.

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Gorbachev wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

DARTH wrote: This could be what used to be classified as "Shit Happen!" " A damn shame."and left at that.

True. In fact, take a little bit further...If Zimmerman had been a cop, he'd have received a commendation and would back in his squad car.

Hold up there, puppy. You're the gentleman espousing "Trust No One" as a creed, right? You curate the Officer Friendly thread? Darth and Pinky say it's cool for people to walk up to other people at night, armed, approaching them and asking them questions? And you agree? Have I got that right?

See, Darth's stories of bravura homestead defence could just as easily be spun the other way. Imagine:

"So I'm walking back from a store and this low sized Mexican lookin dude is driving around and suddenly he's in my face and asking me all kinds of shot about who I am and what I'm doing. I'm thinking this guy might be about to get physical. I'm just about my business and Im totally legit but he's moving towards me and tellin me not to move. I don't wait for those fuckers to hit first. He got inside my space and I went for him. Got him down - he was a lot older than me, I was like, 17, and I punched him but he kept at it so I slammed his head into the sidewalk cos it was him or me and I didn't start that shit. I'm not letting some jumped up fucker end my days or put me in a wheelchair. I grew up around enough Mexicans blah blah blah".

That is why I said maybe this should be chalked up to shit happens.

Fuck this bullshit where somene has to go to jail, someone has to get into trouble.

Rule of law aside if I was thugutator I'd say Zimmerman walks after I asked him "So, even though you feared for your life, you got any feelings about killing another human being? Any thoughts about the fact that even though he may have been a Jr. thug you did get your ass handed to you by a 17 year old and therefore had to resort to your sidearm to save yourself from being made a retard and possably fucked in the ass? (That happens more than you would think in Florida.)

Do you allready see the kid die over and over again in your dreams both asleep and awake? Good, get on with your life and train in some fucking hand to hand you fucking snowball.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

DARTH wrote: This could be what used to be classified as "Shit Happen!" " A damn shame."and left at that.

True. In fact, take a little bit further...If Zimmerman had been a cop, he'd have received a commendation and would back in his squad car.

And getting blowjobs and free dougnuts form the Badge Fuckers at Duncan Dougnuts.

A defense attorney goes through the witness statements at Talk Left and discusses what she sees as the most likely scenario.

All that matters legally is whether Trayvon Martin's physical attack on him caused him to reasonably fear serious bodily injury. Zimmerman's testimony, which is supported by proof of his injuries and witnesses observing the struggle, is that Martin broke his nose and banged his head against cement. He tried to get up and couldn't. Using an objective standard, a reasonable person in that situation would fear imminent serious bodily injury if he didn't react with force.

The state is unlikely to prevail in arguing Zimmerman was the aggressor because to be the aggressor, Zimmerman had to contemporaneously provoke the force Martin used against him....Even if the state could convince a judge or jury that Zimmerman was following Martin, rather than walking back to his car, rendering his pursuit a contemporaneous act, it is not an act that provokes Martin's use of force against him....Even if it could be construed to be provocation for using force, all it means is Zimmerman had to attempt reasonable means to extricate himself before using deadly force in response. W-6's steadfast insistence that Zimmerman was struggling to get up and out from under Trayvon, right before the shot went off, fulfills that requirement. Zimmerman will say the same. And no witnesses saw anything different.

Zimmerman should prevail on classic self-defense at trial regardless of stand your ground.

Pinky wrote:A defense attorney goes through the witness statements at Talk Left and discusses what she sees as the most likely scenario.

All that matters legally is whether Trayvon Martin's physical attack on him caused him to reasonably fear serious bodily injury. Zimmerman's testimony, which is supported by proof of his injuries and witnesses observing the struggle, is that Martin broke his nose and banged his head against cement. He tried to get up and couldn't. Using an objective standard, a reasonable person in that situation would fear imminent serious bodily injury if he didn't react with force.

The state is unlikely to prevail in arguing Zimmerman was the aggressor because to be the aggressor, Zimmerman had to contemporaneously provoke the force Martin used against him....Even if the state could convince a judge or jury that Zimmerman was following Martin, rather than walking back to his car, rendering his pursuit a contemporaneous act, it is not an act that provokes Martin's use of force against him....Even if it could be construed to be provocation for using force, all it means is Zimmerman had to attempt reasonable means to extricate himself before using deadly force in response. W-6's steadfast insistence that Zimmerman was struggling to get up and out from under Trayvon, right before the shot went off, fulfills that requirement. Zimmerman will say the same. And no witnesses saw anything different.

Zimmerman should prevail on classic self-defense at trial regardless of stand your ground.

Exactly!

We are only hearing of this because Obama wants this to be an issue. There are already fucktards in Congress trying to superseed individual state's gun laws.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/in-his- ... -shooting/

Videos embedded in this article show Zman's initial police interview, then an at-the-scene interview the next day. They seem very consistent.

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OTOH - Damaging to Zman, IF admissible: getting sneaky & hiding his Defense Fund from the court.

As a result of that sneakiness, his wife has been charged with perjury.

The wife of the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin has been accused of lying to a judge about the couple’s finances as they sought his release on bond, leading to a felony charge against her.

On Tuesday, 25-year-old Shellie Zimmerman was charged with perjury, a third-degree felony that is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Who gets charged with perjury these days?

DARTH wrote:

Pinky wrote:A defense attorney goes through the witness statements at Talk Left and discusses what she sees as the most likely scenario.

All that matters legally is whether Trayvon Martin's physical attack on him caused him to reasonably fear serious bodily injury. Zimmerman's testimony, which is supported by proof of his injuries and witnesses observing the struggle, is that Martin broke his nose and banged his head against cement. He tried to get up and couldn't. Using an objective standard, a reasonable person in that situation would fear imminent serious bodily injury if he didn't react with force.

The state is unlikely to prevail in arguing Zimmerman was the aggressor because to be the aggressor, Zimmerman had to contemporaneously provoke the force Martin used against him....Even if the state could convince a judge or jury that Zimmerman was following Martin, rather than walking back to his car, rendering his pursuit a contemporaneous act, it is not an act that provokes Martin's use of force against him....Even if it could be construed to be provocation for using force, all it means is Zimmerman had to attempt reasonable means to extricate himself before using deadly force in response. W-6's steadfast insistence that Zimmerman was struggling to get up and out from under Trayvon, right before the shot went off, fulfills that requirement. Zimmerman will say the same. And no witnesses saw anything different.

Zimmerman should prevail on classic self-defense at trial regardless of stand your ground.

Exactly!

We are only hearing of this because Obama wants this to be an issue. There are already fucktards in Congress trying to superseed individual state's gun laws.

In more ways than one.

johno wrote:OTOH - Damaging to Zman, IF admissible: getting sneaky & hiding his Defense Fund from the court.

As a result of that sneakiness, his wife has been charged with perjury.

The wife of the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin has been accused of lying to a judge about the couple’s finances as they sought his release on bond, leading to a felony charge against her.

On Tuesday, 25-year-old Shellie Zimmerman was charged with perjury, a third-degree felony that is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Who gets charged with perjury these days?

"Getting sneaky"? Lying under oath is still a big deal, man. Judge don't like it when you lie to him. They knew they were being recorded during phone calls, so they came up with a "code" (if you can call it that) where they dropped $1000 from the numbers they were discussing (i.e. $130=$130,000) and referred to their bank accounts and other accounts in code "Transfer to Peter Pan" = "Transfer to PayPal". Shit, when Shellie Zimmerman was telling the judge they were broke she had $57,000 in her credit union account, the couple had around $135,000 total, and they were pulling in about $1000/day on PayPal. Given that the judge took their claimed poverty into account when he set bail, this shit is kind of serious and their premeditated deception does not speak well of Zimmerman's trustworthiness. The judge was originally pretty lenient with him, but now that Zimmerman's been a dick you can bet he's not going to treat the guy with kid gloves

I also hope the people who've donated more than $220,000 to his "legal defense fund" are cool with him using it to pay off his credit cards.

I'd Hit It wrote:I also hope the people who've donated more than $220,000 to his "legal defense fund" are cool with him using it to pay off his credit cards.

Somehow I doubt his income from working in the prison laundry is gonna help him much with his monthly bills.

I'd Hit It wrote:"Getting sneaky"? Lying under oath is still a big deal, man. Judge don't like it when you lie to him. They knew they were being recorded during phone calls, so they came up with a "code" (if you can call it that) where they dropped $1000 from the numbers they were discussing (i.e. $130=$130,000) and referred to their bank accounts and other accounts in code "Transfer to Peter Pan" = "Transfer to PayPal".

No fan of Z$ but this seems impossibly stupid and is hard to believe. Like the monitor is going to think, "Well, of course they're transferring to Peter Pan, that's some damn fine peanut butter and changing to that brand is just good sense." Creating obvious codes screams "Conspiracy."