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I see poll numbers for Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, Jesus freaks, atheists, niggers and other christians but never ragheaded muslims. Why not????

Andy79 wrote:I see poll numbers for Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, Jesus freaks, atheists, niggers and other christians but never ragheaded muslims. Why not????

Probably because they represent about half a percentage of the voting population. Jews are the second smallest group in your illustrious list and are well over double the number of Muslims.

And because only a quarter of Muslims in the US are Arab and probably look like that kind you're thinking of.

The others are either black (and you probably can't tell by looking at them that they're Muslims) and South Indian (who you'd think are just Indians with beards) and then the rest are Asians (who look like Asians).

The majority of American Muslims will likely vote Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wilfredo- ... 68016.html

"The U.S. Mosque Survey 2011," released by Dr. Ihsan Bagby of the University of Kentucky, and conducted by notable scholars, statisticians and research professionals... estimates the total American Muslim population to be around 7 million.

Historically, American Muslims identified strongly with the social conservatism of the Republican Party, but today are almost invisible in that camp. In spite of the natural Muslim American alignment with conservative values, the GOP has lost that base and failed to attract American Muslims due, in part, to its incessant and ever-growing anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Muslims rejected the Republican Party at the polls in 2008 and 2010. According to the American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Elections, just 2.2 percent of Muslims voted for Sen. John McCain in 2008.
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... wing-vote/

Although it is true that American Muslims constitute a small percentage of the national population, they are concentrated in key swing states such as Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Florida.

They'll vote for Obama. Obama panders hard for that vote. But how come no polls reported on for 2012??

Andy79 wrote:They'll vote for Obama. Obama panders hard for that vote. But how come no polls reported on for 2012??

http://www.modbee.com/2012/09/27/239242 ... pport.html

The survey of 400 likely voters found that 52 percent of Arab Americans intend to vote for Obama; 28 percent said they plan to vote for Romney.

Read more here: http://www.modbee.com/2012/09/27/239242 ... rylink=cpy

Not that unusual. Why would they want to vote for a party that hates them?

http://www.illumemagazine.com/zine/arti ... 2012-13866

About 26 percent of Muslim-Americans don’t see themselves as part of any party, said Karma Dana, an associate at the Center for American Political Studies and the Department of Government at Harvard University. Dana co-led a survey of Muslims with Matt A. Barreto, an associate professor at the University of Washington.

A Pew Research Center survey in 2011 found that 19 percent of Muslim voters were Independent or had no party preference, and 70 percent affiliated with the Democratic Party or were Democratic leaning.

Muslims in the U.S. haven’t always leaned Democratic. Before 9/11 and the Bush administration, many Muslim-Americans were Republican voters, Dana said.

Despite Muslims’ disappointment in Obama’s position, most of the Republican presidential contenders don’t offer much solace.

Andy doesn't really want honest answers. You can't expect to have a rational discussion with a person who's shriveled head is stuck so far up his ass.

Why do you insist on stalking me? I don't do trannies. Give it up, asshole. You'll never get to have sex with me.

kreator wrote:

Andy79 wrote:They'll vote for Obama. Obama panders hard for that vote. But how come no polls reported on for 2012??

http://www.modbee.com/2012/09/27/239242 ... pport.html

The survey of 400 likely voters found that 52 percent of Arab Americans intend to vote for Obama; 28 percent said they plan to vote for Romney.

Read more here: http://www.modbee.com/2012/09/27/239242 ... rylink=cpy

Not that unusual. Why would they want to vote for a party that hates them?

There's a few problems with this:
1. Arab does not equal Muslim-- there is a very large Christian Arab population in the US. It's a lot like lumping African-American and African together. My guess is that percentage of Christian Arabs in the US is much larger than the percentage of Christians in the Arab part of the world.
2. Many, if not most, American Muslims are not Arabs.
3. Muslims, in my experience, are usually a lot more politically sophisticated than they are believed to be by Americans (no matter where they're from), and their concerns are generally not effectively covered by or even addressed by pollsters.
4. Many Muslims are very religiously conservative/traditional. These beliefs are more in line with the GOP position than the Democratic one-- whether or not this translates into voting GOP is not something that any analysis I've seen covers effectively.
5. Many Muslims live in heavily Democratic areas like NoVA and Michigan-- whether or not their votes matter/ how they matter is something that may be a big unknown. NoVA has pretty unique political concerns, so it's hard to lump them in with any other area outside of Southern MD.

There's a few problems with this:
1. Arab does not equal Muslim-- there is a very large Christian Arab population in the US. It's a lot like lumping African-American and African together.
2. Many, if not most, American Muslims are not Arabs.
3. Muslims, in my experience, are usually a lot more politically sophisticated than they are believed to be by Americans, and their concerns are generally not effectively covered by or even addressed by pollsters.
4. Many Muslims are very politically and religiously conservative. These beliefs are more in line with the GOP position than the Democratic one-- whether or not this translates into voting GOP is not something that any analysis I've seen covers though.
5. Many Muslims live in heavily Democratic areas like NoVA and Michigan-- whether or not their votes matter/ how they matter is unknown. NoVA has pretty unique political concerns, so it's hard to lump them in with any other area outside of Southern MD.

Thats a good post. Thanks Turd!

Turdacious wrote: There's a few problems with this:
2. Many, if not most, American Muslims are not Arabs.

I mentioned this above...

Turdacious wrote: 4. Many Muslims are very religiously conservative/traditional. These beliefs are more in line with the GOP position than the Democratic one-- whether or not this translates into voting GOP is not something that any analysis I've seen covers effectively.

http://www.meforum.org/13/how-did-muslims-vote-in-2000

Muslims overwhelmingly supported Bush in 2000, but barely registered any votes for McCain in 2008. Wonder why.




While your points above are correct, it doesn't stop the American warhawks from using the terms Arabs and Muslims interchangably or for sharing their fear/hatred equally.

And frankly even though a large percentage of Arab Americans aren't Muslim, they still sure as heck don't want to see their homelands destroyed by shells supported by America and Israel.

kreator wrote: http://www.meforum.org/13/how-did-muslims-vote-in-2000

Muslims overwhelmingly supported Bush in 2000, but barely registered any votes for McCain in 2008. Wonder why.

That study has a lot of flaws unfortunately. It doesn't differentiate between blacks who are more (at least culturally) affiliated with the older forms of Islam and Black Muslims. Very different religions. Moreover, it is heavily (as you'll notice as you look at the people and organizations they quote) arab-centric.

kreator wrote:While your points above are correct, it doesn't stop the American warhawks from using the terms Arabs and Muslims interchangably or for sharing their fear/hatred equally.

And frankly even though a large percentage of Arab Americans aren't Muslim, they still sure as heck don't want to see their homelands destroyed by shells supported by America and Israel.

IMO, oversimplifying the importance of Israel issue is not a way to understand Muslim views, it is an Arab-centric perspective. I am not suggesting or implying that Muslims are Republicans-- I genuinely have no idea how they vote, but I suspect that the correlations between age and education are similar to those of white Americans.

I really wouldn't be all that surprised if Arabs and affluent Muslims didn't vote republican before 9/11.

I think the kreator will vote for the Obumbler.

Turdacious wrote: That study has a lot of flaws unfortunately. It doesn't differentiate between blacks who are more (at least culturally) affiliated with the older forms of Islam and Black Muslims. Very different religions. Moreover, it is heavily (as you'll notice as you look at the people and organizations they quote) arab-centric.

I'm assuming you're talking about African-American versions of Islam vs. Africans who come to America (still African-Americans) and retain a mainstream version of Islam?

It does seem to differentiate:

"The Mosque in America survey, which omitted members of the Nation of Islam, noted that African Americans now number 30 percent of mosque attendees."

"Indeed, black Muslim groups such as the Coalition for Good Government—the political arm of the Muslim American Society, a black convert organization—­refused to join AMPCC in endorsing Bush, instead choosing to back his opponent."


The article covers mainly black and Arab versions of Islam in America, it's true, but the majority of Muslims who aren't in those groups -- Indonesians, Bangladeshis, etc are going to be relatively insignificant. They have a big population in US, but Asians tend to be politically inactive or irrelevant for the most part.

kreator wrote:While your points above are correct, it doesn't stop the American warhawks from using the terms Arabs and Muslims interchangably or for sharing their fear/hatred equally.

And frankly even though a large percentage of Arab Americans aren't Muslim, they still sure as heck don't want to see their homelands destroyed by shells supported by America and Israel.

IMO, oversimplifying the importance of Israel issue is not a way to understand Muslim views, it is an Arab-centric perspective. I am not suggesting or implying that Muslims are Republicans-- I genuinely have no idea how they vote, but I suspect that the correlations between age and education are similar to those of white Americans.[/quote]

Turdacious wrote:IMO, oversimplifying the importance of Israel issue is not a way to understand Muslim views, it is an Arab-centric perspective.

Yes it's Arab centric, but the well-being of the Arab world has an effect on the entire Muslim world. Arabic is an essential part of the Muslim faith. I can promise you that even Turks and Indonesians, while they may not be Arab, don't want to see an American President in office who will bring war to the Arab world.

Andy79 wrote:I think the kreator will vote for the Obumbler.

No Andy, I have not and will not.

Anyway, keep in mind that Obum doesn't differentiate in his rhetoric. He refers and panders to muslims as a single entity

kreator wrote:Yes it's Arab centric, but the well-being of the Arab world has an effect on the entire Muslim world. Arabic is an essential part of the Muslim faith. I can promise you that even Turks and Indonesians, while they may not be Arab, don't want to see an American President in office who will bring war to the Arab world.

A lot of Muslims don't like the:
1. Aggressive export of Wahabbism
2. Treatment of their countrymen in Gulf countries
3. Al Queda influence in their countries
4. Idea that Arab countries are the center of Islam

Many also:
1. Have serious grudges against Arab countries (for real or perceived reasons)
2. Are Sufis
3. Come from countries which could benefit from a change to the status quo
4. Wouldn't mind seeing a few dictators disappear or standards of living in their homelands improve
5. Are more interested in what's happening here than in their former countries

IMO, looking at Muslims as a monolithic group is always a mistake. It's been my impression that a lot of important cultural nuances that are easy for them to spot are unseen by Americans. It's a very large religion.