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Ed Zachary wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Thou has struck the nail on the head. Being a good parent is sometimes really uncomfortable.

yep

I've said before and it goes like this "being a dad means making hard decisions."

And sometimes there is no "right" decision to make. Sometimes the only options you have, are shitty ones. And I don't envy having to take the least-shitty alternative.

That said- let me state this-

You hear a lot of talk these days about ADHD, bi-polar disorder, and the laundry list of other stuff that this broad's kid was diagnosed with.

I myself have been diagnosed with ADHD, bi-polar disorder as well as generalized anxiety disorder by three trained professionals. I had symptoms of all these things, plus chronic depression, as far back as 10 years old. But my dad didn't give me meds when the teacher called to tell him I acted out in school. He didn't shove ritalin down my throat when I refused to do my homework, or concentrate in class and my grades slipped. He whooped my ass, revoked my TV privileges and watched me, like a hawk every night whilst I did my homework and maintained constant phone contact with my teachers.

And magically, my grades got better, and I eventually went to college.

Point I'm making here is that maybe these diagnoses are indeed tossed around too much. I say that because for the last few years I've been eating right, lifting heavy, getting good sleep every night, and avoiding watching too much TV in favor of reading good books, and I've never felt better. No problems concentrating at my job most of the time. No depression. No mood swings (unless I'm hangry after the gym). No getting all bent out of shape over stupid bullshit all the time like I used to. Things aren't all hunky dory all the time of course, but they are A LOT easier to cope with and I feel good.

Maybe what 60% of the kids diagnosed with this stuff need, is good books, more exercise, better food, and a parent that'll take the the same approach my dad did.

He was also a single father.

Ed Zachary wrote:Didn't Reagan for cutting funding to mental health services.

I claim no expertise, but I don't think anyone restored it after the funding cuts.

Turdacious wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:Didn't Reagan for cutting funding to mental health services.

I claim no expertise, but I don't think anyone restored it after the funding cuts.

Reagan does deserve a lot of blame for the damage that he inflicted on mental health care in the US. Before he took office the Mental Health Systems Act was passed. Although it was fairly far from perfect though addressed a lot of issues and people who previously had fallen through the cracks. Reagan stripped the National Institute of Mental Health of a ton of funding. They lost a lot of good people and research in the area slowed to a crawl for the longest time and ended a discussion that had been happening since Kennedy.

Of course, it's fair to say that nobody else has returned restored a lot of the areas previously cut. Dropping comprehensive health education has prevented further progress in the area as well.

Terry B. wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:Didn't Reagan for cutting funding to mental health services.

I claim no expertise, but I don't think anyone restored it after the funding cuts.

Reagan does deserve a lot of blame for the damage that he inflicted on mental health care in the US. Before he took office the Mental Health Systems Act was passed. Although it was fairly far from perfect though addressed a lot of issues and people who previously had fallen through the cracks. Reagan stripped the National Institute of Mental Health of a ton of funding. They lost a lot of good people and research in the area slowed to a crawl for the longest time and ended a discussion that had been happening since Kennedy.

Of course, it's fair to say that nobody else has returned restored a lot of the areas previously cut. Dropping comprehensive health education has prevented further progress in the area as well.

The whole focus of the research has changed-- what effect that has had is not looked at in the more popular literature. Ken Kesey killed the Kennedy model FWIW. I'm not sure what effect the compulsory health education drop has had on those who don't play well with others.

Turdacious wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:Didn't Reagan for cutting funding to mental health services.

I claim no expertise, but I don't think anyone restored it after the funding cuts.

Reagan does deserve a lot of blame for the damage that he inflicted on mental health care in the US. Before he took office the Mental Health Systems Act was passed. Although it was fairly far from perfect though addressed a lot of issues and people who previously had fallen through the cracks. Reagan stripped the National Institute of Mental Health of a ton of funding. They lost a lot of good people and research in the area slowed to a crawl for the longest time and ended a discussion that had been happening since Kennedy.

Of course, it's fair to say that nobody else has returned restored a lot of the areas previously cut. Dropping comprehensive health education has prevented further progress in the area as well.

The whole focus of the research has changed-- what effect that has had is not looked at in the more popular literature. Ken Kesey killed the Kennedy model FWIW. I'm not sure what effect the compulsory health education drop has had on those who don't play well with others.

I agree on research.

Coming out of graduate school, I worked with a lot of people who were running fairly innovative health education programs on areas such as prevention and communication skills. They were smaller scale (and more effective) than programs like DARE and frequently received funding through the umbrella of comprehensive health education. Impact would be correlation at best but the money involved, in the long run, was minimal for catching kids who would otherwise fall through the cracks. Admittedly, it is far from being the answer and not all program does anything but it's something that should be on the table for discussion though probably won't be.

I have a few friends who worked in the field-- they believed in the ideals of the programs but came away disillusioned-- on top of that it pays shit and there is little correlation between funding and success measures (in as much as they actually exist). My experience with federal bureaucracy and the federal processes correlates with their experiences.

Turdacious wrote:I have a few friends who worked in the field-- they believed in the ideals of the programs but came away disillusioned-- on top of that it pays shit and there is little correlation between funding and success measures (in as much as they actually exist). My experience with federal bureaucracy and the federal processes correlates with their experiences.

I left after a year for much the same reasons. A lot of folks wanted to carve out kingdoms where they could have a job forever instead of actually working to eradicate their programs by eliminating problems.

The success that occurred was through more grassroots and local efforts - the higher up the bureaucracy ladder you went, the more things broke down. I knew of several local programs that demonstrated good results - offhand, nearly none that involved federal authorities.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Thou has struck the nail on the head. Being a good parent is sometimes really uncomfortable.

And one has got to be able to execute appropriate correction(s) in front of God and even fellow Costco shoppers if need be.

Ed Zachary wrote:Didn't Reagan for cutting funding to mental health services.

So what? It's not a Federal responsabilty to pay for mental institutions.

Military, Roads, certain things like the FDA,CDC and NIH that the States would find hard to do or could not do and are part of "the general welfare".

Blame the state's by not going "Oh yeah? That's our job. Better arrange our budgets accordingly."

And then we have the tug of war between rights and safety.

I love all my monsters but when my oldest crosses the line with his little brother I have told him. " You hurt him, I hurt you. You break his arm, I break yours. You do something that kills him and I will end you. With tears in my eyes but I will still do it"

So far when they fight I do not see him use anything from his training. I have already told him. "Use any of this on your brother and you will have to fight me as if you were a man. Your a beginer with only a few playground dust ups, I'm a 4th Dan with alot of real fights behind me. How do you think it would end?"

" Pretty bad for me." He replied.

Smart boy.

And this is just the normal brother vs. brother shit. They both know to watch their asses around my little girl.

If I had a kid like in the OP, he'd be gone, gone , gone. Not saying I'd feel good about throwing him to the system, I know it would kill me to realise my child is a defective animal but it''s also why I have 3. One becomes a POS, I still have 2 more. If one died, it's the other 2 needing me that would keep me from a .45ACP lobotomy.

DARTH wrote:I love all my monsters but when my oldest crosses the line with his little brother I have told him. " You hurt him, I hurt you. You break his arm, I break yours. You do something that kills him and I will end you. With tears in my eyes but I will still do it"

So far when they fight I do not see him use anything from his training. I have already told him. "Use any of this on your brother and you will have to fight me as if you were a man. Your a beginer with only a few playground dust ups, I'm a 4th Dan with alot of real fights behind me. How do you think it would end?"

" Pretty bad for me." He replied.

Smart boy.

That's such a load of crock. The real conversation usually goes something like:

Darth: "Son, don't hurt your brother, please."
Junior: "Fuck you, old man!"
Darth: "Hey, hey, hey... please change your tone and vocabulary, young man."
Junior: "How about "no", dickbreath?!"
Darth: "Well that just does it... No Conan The Barbarian for you tonight! Now please go to your room and reflect on your actions."
*Junior takes your credit card and drives off in your car.*

Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Thou has struck the nail on the head. Being a good parent is sometimes really uncomfortable.

yep

I've said before and it goes like this "being a dad means making hard decisions."

And sometimes there is no "right" decision to make. Sometimes the only options you have, are shitty ones. And I don't envy having to take the least-shitty alternative.

That said- let me state this-

You hear a lot of talk these days about ADHD, bi-polar disorder, and the laundry list of other stuff that this broad's kid was diagnosed with.

I myself have been diagnosed with ADHD, bi-polar disorder as well as generalized anxiety disorder by three trained professionals. I had symptoms of all these things, plus chronic depression, as far back as 10 years old. But my dad didn't give me meds when the teacher called to tell him I acted out in school. He didn't shove ritalin down my throat when I refused to do my homework, or concentrate in class and my grades slipped. He whooped my ass, revoked my TV privileges and watched me, like a hawk every night whilst I did my homework and maintained constant phone contact with my teachers.

And magically, my grades got better, and I eventually went to college.

Point I'm making here is that maybe these diagnoses are indeed tossed around too much. I say that because for the last few years I've been eating right, lifting heavy, getting good sleep every night, and avoiding watching too much TV in favor of reading good books, and I've never felt better. No problems concentrating at my job most of the time. No depression. No mood swings (unless I'm hangry after the gym). No getting all bent out of shape over stupid bullshit all the time like I used to. Things aren't all hunky dory all the time of course, but they are A LOT easier to cope with and I feel good.

Maybe what 60% of the kids diagnosed with this stuff need, is good books, more exercise, better food, and a parent that'll take the the same approach my dad did.

He was also a single father.

Very well said.

My oldest has been a knuckle head from K-4. Smart kid but he;d turn the classroom upside down with his outburst and antics.

His problem is/was that like alot fo brillinet people ( I know all Dad's think their kid is brilliant but even the school thingks he is.) he is smart enough to see how things CAN be or should be but lacks the wisdom to know how shit is and how far you can push with in that reality.

He's like a lawyer (and his teachers have all said "I bet he'll be a good lawyer some day.) becuase he can and will argue anything. I mean sometimes I even see his point.

If he does not want to do something he will waist 60 minutes argueing, fighting and dissrupting then the 15 minutes of work it would actually take.

We would have these "Child Study Meetings" with the teacher, principle, school psycologist and the social worker.

The social worker was using all the ADHD stuff, saying he might need medication. The only assesment she gave I agree with is that he is a "Power seeker" and to me that's not a bad thing once he embraces the mantra of " To be the master one must first be the servent. To be the general he must first be the soldier. To be the Daddy he must first make it out of childhood.

It got so bad that last year they wanted to put him in a special program at another school. This same school is where all the special ed classes are for all the grades in our county. So we call it Animal Farm.

He was there for 3 months last year and he hated it, he hated the stigma of being at what his little brother calls "Retard school! Retard school! Liam goes to retard school! Hahahaha!"

They wanted him to stay there at his actual school but he was told by all it was temporary so I insisted he come back to his school. (another whole story there.)

He finally got what I have been telling him for the last few years "You get marked down as a difficult case, they will just throw you to the trash and it will get worse and worse." He saw some of the trash there and he wants none of that.

So I just continued to work on him much like your dad did you. I have got him involved formally in my Jujutsu school, he fences once a week and I make him do PT. Besides homework I make him read at least 30 minutes a night and I just started today to have him read his books to me while we drive to the Dojo, so he can be better at reading aloud and public speaking. Right now it's an "Alex Rider- Teen secret agent book for young kids but I will phase him into harder reads of impotance like Animal Farm, the Illiad/Odessy, Last of the Mohicans, ect. ( I'm making a Caesar here! )

He's playing violin in school as well and is starting to show intrest in his Bass guitar again.

He has been doing way better this year. We are not getting phone calls, no big letters from school, no emergnecy confrences or CSM's. His grades are better and he just completed in his first Fencing tournament. (He one his very first match and 1 other out of 6 after only 2 months in Fencing against kids who take classes and private lessons and have a few years in the sport. He was dissapointed he did not win the tourney but he can't wait to go to the next one.)

Now if I had listend to that bitch and let the head shrinker- Drug compnay complex have him God only knows what he would be right now? And maybe he would one day steal my guns and take revenge on a system that said he was defective?

Instead he's doing much better and is on track for great things.

If Barry the Commie can do it, my son can one day be POTUS.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

DARTH wrote:I love all my monsters but when my oldest crosses the line with his little brother I have told him. " You hurt him, I hurt you. You break his arm, I break yours. You do something that kills him and I will end you. With tears in my eyes but I will still do it"

So far when they fight I do not see him use anything from his training. I have already told him. "Use any of this on your brother and you will have to fight me as if you were a man. Your a beginer with only a few playground dust ups, I'm a 4th Dan with alot of real fights behind me. How do you think it would end?"

" Pretty bad for me." He replied.

Smart boy.

That's such a load of crock. The real conversation usually goes something like:

Darth: "Son, don't hurt your brother, please."
Junior: "Fuck you, old man!"
Darth: "Hey, hey, hey... please change your tone and vocabulary, young man."
Junior: "How about "no", dickbreath?!"
Darth: "Well that just does it... No Conan The Barbarian for you tonight! Now please go to your room and reflect on your actions."
*Junior takes your credit card and drives off in your car.*

Ha Ha Ha!

My boy knows his Conan the Barbarian. Troy, Kingdom of Heaven and King Arthur as well. It was his idea to go see The Eagle. ( Not that it was not on Darth Caesar's list.)

I had a polish step dad, I know about eastern european parenting, of wich I approve of since I know I'd be better off if I had more than 6 years of it.

Ed Zachary wrote:Didn't Reagan for cutting funding to mental health services.

Most mental hospitals are funded by counties and states. Reagan may have cut federal funding, but he is hardly alone in blame. Plus, it's not a function of the federal Governmnet.

The real culprit is the move towards patients rights during the late 1970s and 1980s. It became an excuse for local politicians to empty mental hospitals.

Fat Cat wrote:I had an adopted sister who had severe autism, she is dead. A few thoughts:

1. Not everyone who is diagnosed with autism is autistic. There are enough problems with the diagnosis, which is entirely deduced from observations of behavior, that they have revamped the entire disorder classification under the forthcoming DSM-V.

2. The manipulative behavior described in the article is generally inconsistent with autism, and as the article points out, he has not been diagnosed with autism.

3. The rest of the world does not care whether you are autistic or not, if you are threatening people or engaging in dangerous behavior, the mechanism for it matters not.

4. I understand that I sound unsympathetic.

Fats, I agree with the above points. From the sound of things the child does display autistic behaviour. A huge lack of empathy, and an association of actions and consequences. I'd hazard a guess that he doesn't understand quite why threatening his mother like that is wrong, and doesn't understand how she feels. He apologises because he wants computer games back, and associates apology with forgiveness. My only quarrel would be your line about beating his ass. If Michael is indeed autistic, this will achieve next to nothing except to perhaps compound the problem. Yes, Michael may need to be segregated for the safety of others, but not punished. In his mind, he probably doesn't understand why what he's done is wrong, and if autistic, probably never genuinely will. And I have no faith in pills or mental wards to get rid of these urges, simply to repress them. I've worked with numerous people on the autism spectrum who've threatened to kill their parents, and one who tried to, with an axe. It's a terrible terrible disease, and I'm sorry to hear about your sister. I lost a foster brother, so I can sympathise, although he was entirely healthy. I understand that in your experience, harsh treatment may have worked with autistic people, but I've never seen it work long term before. People on the autism spectrum are generally too volatile. It's a terrible disease, although some of the best people I've known have been autistic.

Dr. Agkistrodon wrote: Maybe what 60% of the kids diagnosed with this stuff need, is good books, more exercise, better food, and a parent that'll take the the same approach my dad did.

Worked in a psychiatric facility, read crazy house, for over a year and this is what I saw when it came to about 90% of the younger folks that came in. In a few cases, the person literally had something wrong with them that made understanding causality damn near impossible. In most cases they merely lacked the understanding because they were not in homes where these things were rigidly enforced.

My brother-in-law has been diagnosed with ADHD and possible Aspergers. In reality he is a smart kid, 16 yrs old, who is a spoiled little baby whose parent's have always given in to his tantrums. He lacks knowledge of causality due to his parents caving. He hates coming to visit us here because he cannot get away with anything. He cussed me one time in my own home while staying for a long weekend and was promptly knocked in the head. I told him that if he was going to talk to me like man he could take his comeuppance like a man right before I kick his little ass to the street. It got physical once and after he got sat down, GUESS WHAT? No more issues. Nada. He listened and pleased and thank you'd the remainder of the time. Now he just doesn't want to come visit.

Some kids need a hard line drawn and kept with an ass whooping on occasion. Some are mentally ill, but I stand firm in my belief that at least half the cases of ADHD and what not are really cases of parents not doing their damn job.

Lots of self-righteous, pro parents up in here! If only everyone were as good a parent as you tough guys.

Fat Cat wrote:Speaking as a trained mental health professional, Michael needs to get his ass beat.

You're an idiot. I'd think that your reaction would be that it's impossible to judge without careful observation. Only fools would give a professional opinion based on a blog, and the advice you offer is just stupid.

And to the others who know so well how to raise difficult kids, develop a touch of humility. I have seen friends, and children of friends, turn out well or wrong (drugs, violence, welfare, whatever) where parents may have been too strict or too liberal, or they fell in with the wrong group, or some serendipity turns them in one or the other direction. As parents, all we can do is try our hardest and pray for guidance to be the best parent we can.

31 years ago this April my first cousing killed his mother, stabbing her dozens of times. He had been in and out of institutions. When he was in, they could get him thinking and acting normal through medication. When out, he'd decide he was fine and wouldn't take his medication. And on it went. Another friend's son had similar issues with depression and recently committed suicide. There are no easy answers.

Andy double post.

Dunn wrote:

Dr. Agkistrodon wrote: Maybe what 60% of the kids diagnosed with this stuff need, is good books, more exercise, better food, and a parent that'll take the the same approach my dad did.

Worked in a psychiatric facility, read crazy house, for over a year and this is what I saw when it came to about 90% of the younger folks that came in. In a few cases, the person literally had something wrong with them that made understanding causality damn near impossible. In most cases they merely lacked the understanding because they were not in homes where these things were rigidly enforced.

My brother-in-law has been diagnosed with ADHD and possible Aspergers. In reality he is a smart kid, 16 yrs old, who is a spoiled little baby whose parent's have always given in to his tantrums. He lacks knowledge of causality due to his parents caving. He hates coming to visit us here because he cannot get away with anything. He cussed me one time in my own home while staying for a long weekend and was promptly knocked in the head. I told him that if he was going to talk to me like man he could take his comeuppance like a man right before I kick his little ass to the street. It got physical once and after he got sat down, GUESS WHAT? No more issues. Nada. He listened and pleased and thank you'd the remainder of the time. Now he just doesn't want to come visit.

Some kids need a hard line drawn and kept with an ass whooping on occasion. Some are mentally ill, but I stand firm in my belief that at least half the cases of ADHD and what not are really cases of parents not doing their damn job.

I think that normal, healthy kids (and I do believe way more kids out there are healthy and normal than lazy teachers, and doctors would have us believe speaking in strict terms of psychology) need boundaries and rules, which are enforced consistently. And when normal kids act out, they're doing it out of a subconscious urge to touch those boundaries in a tangible way. Good healthy parents quell the issue, enforcing the rules and boundaries, and voila, order is restored and the child feels safe and happy, and on he goes, being healthy and normal.

What if these "disorders" are actually behavior patterns which arise because the subconscious need for boundaries and rules isn't being met by the parties whom, in the eyes of the child, occupy the almost godlike "Mater" and "Pater" status?

Are indulgent parents causing their children, ostensibly, to go insane?

I seriously think that in a lot of cases, they are.

I got to hang out with you guys more, life seems so easy for the average IGx'er.

Beat your kid; slap your wife (who earns more than you); watch a lot of low grade action movies; keep a cache of guns to ward of the militant state you hate/serve and are financially beholden to; support all wars on moral grounds; indulge daily in White Castle, a gallon of milk and two pounds of beef; deny climate change (so you can cheaply feed your obese vehicles); blame niggers; binge drink then drunk drive a vintage motorcycle; struggle your way home and beat your wife and kids again...

And suddenly the word seems safe, healthy and nurturing. I'm in!

Thud wrote:I got to hang out with you guys more, life seems so easy for the average IGx'er.

Beat your kid; slap your wife (who earns more than you); watch a lot of low grade action movies; keep a cache of guns to ward of the militant state you hate/serve and are financially beholden to; support all wars on moral grounds; indulge daily in White Castle, a gallon of milk and two pounds of beef; deny climate change (so you can cheaply feed your obese vehicles); blame niggers; binge drink then drunk drive a vintage motorcycle; struggle your way home and beat your wife and kids again...

And suddenly the word seems safe, healthy and nurturing. I'm in!

It's my weekend and I can do whatever I damn well please.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:You're an idiot.

And yet somehow I can figure out the post function and you can't.

Hebrew Hammer wrote: I'd think that your reaction would be that it's impossible to judge without careful observation. Only fools would give a professional opinion based on a blog, and the advice you offer is just stupid.

No. I was speaking for the mother, and she has a lifetime of observation under her belt. Somehow you missed that, fat man.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:And to the others who know so well how to raise difficult kids, develop a touch of humility. I have seen friends, and children of friends, turn out well or wrong (drugs, violence, welfare, whatever) where parents may have been too strict or too liberal, or they fell in with the wrong group, or some serendipity turns them in one or the other direction. As parents, all we can do is try our hardest and pray for guidance to be the best parent we can.

Part of trying your hardest as a parent is setting firm boundaries. The rest of this paragraph is irrelevant to this discussion.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:31 years ago this April my first cousing killed his mother, stabbing her dozens of times. He had been in and out of institutions. When he was in, they could get him thinking and acting normal through medication. When out, he'd decide he was fine and wouldn't take his medication. And on it went. Another friend's son had similar issues with depression and recently committed suicide. There are no easy answers.

Perhaps if she had taken my advice and kept him in an institution she would be alive. But don't listen to me, I'm an idiot.

Dr. Agkistrodon wrote: I myself have been diagnosed with ADHD, bi-polar disorder as well as generalized anxiety disorder by three trained professionals. I had symptoms of all these things, plus chronic depression, as far back as 10 years old. But my dad didn't give me meds when the teacher called to tell him I acted out in school. He didn't shove ritalin down my throat when I refused to do my homework, or concentrate in class and my grades slipped. He whooped my ass, revoked my TV privileges and watched me, like a hawk every night whilst I did my homework and maintained constant phone contact with my teachers.

And magically, my grades got better, and I eventually went to college.

Point I'm making here is that maybe these diagnoses are indeed tossed around too much. I say that because for the last few years I've been eating right, lifting heavy, getting good sleep every night, and avoiding watching too much TV in favor of reading good books, and I've never felt better. No problems concentrating at my job most of the time. No depression. No mood swings (unless I'm hangry after the gym). No getting all bent out of shape over stupid bullshit all the time like I used to. Things aren't all hunky dory all the time of course, but they are A LOT easier to cope with and I feel good.

Maybe what 60% of the kids diagnosed with this stuff need, is good books, more exercise, better food, and a parent that'll take the the same approach my dad did.

He was also a single father.

Your single dad could put 90% of mental health care providers out of work.

Fat Cat wrote:

Hebrew Hammer wrote:You're an idiot.

And yet somehow I can figure out the post function and you can't.

Hebrew Hammer wrote: I'd think that your reaction would be that it's impossible to judge without careful observation. Only fools would give a professional opinion based on a blog, and the advice you offer is just stupid.

No. I was speaking for the mother, and she has a lifetime of observation under her belt. Somehow you missed that, fat man.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:And to the others who know so well how to raise difficult kids, develop a touch of humility. I have seen friends, and children of friends, turn out well or wrong (drugs, violence, welfare, whatever) where parents may have been too strict or too liberal, or they fell in with the wrong group, or some serendipity turns them in one or the other direction. As parents, all we can do is try our hardest and pray for guidance to be the best parent we can.

Part of trying your hardest as a parent is setting firm boundaries. The rest of this paragraph is irrelevant to this discussion.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:31 years ago this April my first cousing killed his mother, stabbing her dozens of times. He had been in and out of institutions. When he was in, they could get him thinking and acting normal through medication. When out, he'd decide he was fine and wouldn't take his medication. And on it went. Another friend's son had similar issues with depression and recently committed suicide. There are no easy answers.

Perhaps if she had taken my advice and kept him in an institution she would be alive. But don't listen to me, I'm an idiot.

You were speaking for the mother?

The discussion is about whether the simplistic advice - set firm boundaries - suffices across the board for kids with mental illness. It doesn't.

Last, as a professional, you know you can't keep someone in an institution unless they meet the statutory grounds for involuntary restraint. Kids go into institutions as a danger to themselves to others, then they get treated and are not a danger, so they're released. Outside of the institution, they quickly regress, often from non-drug compliance.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:You were speaking for the mother?

Yes, genius. The article was by the mother of the child, she was the only one present, and was the caregiver for the child. Who else could I be talking about?

Hebrew Hammer wrote:The discussion is about whether the simplistic advice - set firm boundaries - suffices across the board for kids with mental illness. It doesn't.

Apparently you also missed the part where I acknowledged the limits of that and applauded her recommendation to institutionalize the child.

Hebrew Hammer wrote:Last, as a professional, you know you can't keep someone in an institution unless they meet the statutory grounds for involuntary restraint. Kids go into institutions as a danger to themselves to others, then they get treated and are not a danger, so they're released. Outside of the institution, they quickly regress, often from non-drug compliance.

Actually, I removed myself from the profession to make a lot more money in land use consulting, in part because of the ineffectiveness of the mental health care system. Noncompliance with medication is a common problem, no question, but there are ways to manage these situations like making the child take his medication in front of you as a contingency for continuing to be allowed to live in the family home. There are also mechanisms to remand a violent child to the custody of the state.

Now explain to me why I'm an idiot.