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odin · Post by **odin** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:26 pm

anyway, stats shmats, I know, but check this link:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_t ... tal-crimes

a common factor in the top few countries is their aggressive pursuit of the neo liberal freemarket capitalist ideal. Perhaps this approach is somehow producing a huge group of people that are societal drop outs.

Of course banning guns is an easier political win though.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:48 pm

BucketHead wrote:
DARTH wrote: But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!
Don't be stupid Darth

Check the stats college boy.

Baseball bat is the number one item used in assults.

Guns are used in less than half the homiceds.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:09 am

DARTH wrote:
BucketHead wrote:
DARTH wrote: But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!
Don't be stupid Darth
Check the stats college boy.

Baseball bat is the number one item used in assults.

Guns are used in less than half the homiceds.

Bux is right here. Guns are used in more homicides than any sort of blunt object.

But rifles are not. All rifles, including scary black ones, are used less often than hands and feet.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:46 am

BucketHead wrote:
DARTH wrote: But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!
Don't be stupid Darth

That's the main problem with the "gun nut" lobby (separating responsible gun owners out here) - for every part of their argument that may have merit, they toss in five "statistics" that are either made up or taken out of context. You could say the same thing about the "ban all guns" folks as well.

Though, to be fair, not even Darth believes most of the stuff he posts.

buckethead · Post by **buckethead** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:53 am

Pinky wrote:All rifles, including scary black ones, are used less often than hands and feet.

Except for probably some percentage of that pesky category "Firearms, type not stated" which is three times the blunt object deaths.

There's nothing wrong with having legal gun ownership, but let's just be clear on the facts and not make shit up. When people decide to kill someone, they use a firearm over 65% of the time.

johno · Post by **johno** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:57 am

The typical anti-gun media pundit can't even define "Assault Rifle," let alone admit that the previous Assault Weapons Ban was an abject failure.

*****

This just in: the Sidwell school has eleven armed security officers, even before Sasha & Malia attended.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:18 am

I wonder why Chicago's murder rate is going up...

Over 2 years ago, the Illinois Department of Corrections (IDOC), had in place a meritorious good time program, (MGT Push) whereas non-problematic inmates received up to 6 months off of their sentence as long as they had been in state custody for at least 60 days. Due to overcrowding in 2009 this 60 day rule had been amended to ease the population growth. The state released 1,745 prisoners under MGT Push. On average, they served 36 fewer days than their sentences, hundreds of inmates, including more than 100 serving sentences for violent offenses, after as few as 11 days in IDOC custody. After the AP found that some inmates released under the plan had violent records, Governor Patrick Quinn, heading into his first bid to be elected governor, suspended then disbanded the meritorious good time program all together.

Currently the population of the IDOC stands at approximately 48,620 inmates. The problem is total capacity for IDOC is 33,700. Despite the fact that Illinois legislators freed up money to maintain prisons, Governor Quinn plans to close 2 of the largest prisons, Dwight Correctional & Tamms Correctional Centers. This move could only exasperate an already bleak situation.

The state has recently restructured the MGT push program but until Illinois lawmakers restructure the whole judicial system, overcrowding will always be a problem. There hasn’t been an increase in crime. There has been an increase in what is considered a crime. Illinois is one of the worse states statistically in terms of petty drug crime. More than half of Illinois drug prison sentences are for simple possession of small amounts of drugs or other petty crimes. Holding those convicted of nonviolent drug offenses in prison costs Illinois taxpayers an estimated $240 million a year. The bottom line is, Illinois lawmakers have to give our prison system and how they perceive crime a complete overhaul.

Two of the state’s biggest issues can be settled in Illinois as other states have. Nonviolent, petty offenses can be resolved by way of ticketing and fines instead of clogging up the jails and the dockets of an already flawed judicial system. This will provide much needed funding for state, county and local governments and free up space in IDOC, virtually eliminating the overcrowding issue.

Something really bad is going to happen in IDOC, it’s a shame, but it’s going to happen. In all actuality it seems like it has to happen in order for our lawmakers to wake up and see that there is a very clear & present danger evolving in our prison system.

http://www.examiner.com/article/illinoi ... ercrowding

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:44 am

Who gets killed? Is Nugent right that the majority of deaths per day with a firearm used is a felon or criminal v criminal murder?

How many millions of children in the US?

We lost 22 for 2012 do to school shooting.

I think we can handle that.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:07 am

BucketHead wrote:
Pinky wrote:All rifles, including scary black ones, are used less often than hands and feet.
Except for probably some percentage of that pesky category "Firearms, type not stated" which is three times the blunt object deaths.

Rifles would have to be dramatically over represented in the "not stated" category in order for them to be used in more murders than no weapon at all.

There's nothing wrong with having legal gun ownership, but let's just be clear on the facts and not make shit up. When people decide to kill someone, they use a firearm over 65% of the time.

I agree, and the FBI data I posted was backing you up on this point; however, we're now hearing more calls to increase the regulation of rifles. Just as we must be clear about how often guns are used in crimes, we must also be clear about how rarely rifles are used. None of the renewed pressure to regulate "military-style" rifles is based on a look at the data. It's based on political opportunism and ignorance.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:13 am

Terry B. wrote:
BucketHead wrote:
DARTH wrote: But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!
Don't be stupid Darth
That's the main problem with the "gun nut" lobby (separating responsible gun owners out here) - for every part of their argument that may have merit, they toss in five "statistics" that are either made up or taken out of context. You could say the same thing about the "ban all guns" folks as well.

Though, to be fair, not even Darth believes most of the stuff he posts.

Get off your high horse and pull the dildo from your ass. For every asshat comment from a pro-gun source, I can list 5, not just irresponsible comments, but outright fabrications.

let's start with with liberal commentators confusing semi with full auto. Do a google search on the asshat libs screaming for the regulation and control of full auto machine guns and report back. Start with looking up Mark Shields. He isn't alone in the sea of ignorance he happily inhabits.

syaigh · Post by **syaigh** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:17 am

Batboy2/75 wrote:
Terry B. wrote:
BucketHead wrote:
DARTH wrote: But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!
Don't be stupid Darth
That's the main problem with the "gun nut" lobby (separating responsible gun owners out here) - for every part of their argument that may have merit, they toss in five "statistics" that are either made up or taken out of context. You could say the same thing about the "ban all guns" folks as well.

Though, to be fair, not even Darth believes most of the stuff he posts.
Get off your high horse and pull the dildo from your ass. For every asshat comment from a pro-gun source, I can list 5, not just irresponsible comments, but outright fabrications.

let's start with with liberal commentators confusing semi with full auto. Do a google search on the asshat libs screaming for the regulation and control of full auto machine guns and report back. Start with looking up Mark Shields. He isn't alone in the sea of ignorance he happily inhabits.

Why does it matter if we can't differentiate between "really lethal guns" and "really really lethal guns". seriously. Most of us are kind of horrified past a cetain point of fire power.

syaigh · Post by **syaigh** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:19 am

Honestly, its like me making a differentiation between "kind of smart" and "smart". I'm "really fucking smart" so it doesn't really matter what I know and don't know, I can learn it pretty quickly.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:28 am

syaigh wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:
Terry B. wrote:
BucketHead wrote:
DARTH wrote: But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!
Don't be stupid Darth
That's the main problem with the "gun nut" lobby (separating responsible gun owners out here) - for every part of their argument that may have merit, they toss in five "statistics" that are either made up or taken out of context. You could say the same thing about the "ban all guns" folks as well.

Though, to be fair, not even Darth believes most of the stuff he posts.
Get off your high horse and pull the dildo from your ass. For every asshat comment from a pro-gun source, I can list 5, not just irresponsible comments, but outright fabrications.

let's start with with liberal commentators confusing semi with full auto. Do a google search on the asshat libs screaming for the regulation and control of full auto machine guns and report back. Start with looking up Mark Shields. He isn't alone in the sea of ignorance he happily inhabits.
Why does it matter if we can't differentiate between "really lethal guns" and "really really lethal guns". seriously. Most of us are kind of horrified past a cetain point of fire power.

Because dumbass, full auto firearms are very heavily regulated and in over 80 years only two such registered and taxed weapons have ever been used in a crime, let alone to kill anyone. Seriously, most of us are in more danger from whatever strain of herpes you've been spreading at the nearest bus station or local truck stop.

But go on; vote for whatever emotionallly satisfying, but ineffectual legislation put in front you.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:29 am

syaigh wrote:Honestly, its like me making a differentiation between "kind of smart" and "smart". I'm "really fucking smart" so it doesn't really matter what I know and don't know, I can learn it pretty quickly.

13 pages of posts and we are all waiting for the "really fucking smart" to kick in.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:36 am

read that a couple of cops were shot today. if we armed school children, they could protect the police.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:37 am

syaigh wrote:Honestly, its like me making a differentiation between "kind of smart" and "smart". I'm "really fucking smart" so it doesn't really matter what I know and don't know, I can learn it pretty quickly.

Seriously, is this like a superpower with strings attched? Do you have to blow a meth addled truck driver for these super "really fucking smart" powers to materialize?

This is explaining a lot.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:45 am

Why does it matter if we know jack shit about what we want to regulate? To hell with informed discourse! Let's pass some laws now while we're still upset. Anything else would be unreasonable.

___________ · Post by **___________** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:51 am

It's all whiteys fault.
Only niggers should have guns.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:00 am

While we are waiting for "really fucking smart" girl to show up, here is what I was referring to.

Mark Shield, poster boy for Liberal gun commentary

I'd like to know what car rental places Mark frequents because purchasing a select fire (full auto) firearm involves (1) living in a state that allows it (2) getting your local LEO sign off (3) or lacking an LEO sign off, setting up a trust (4) a criminal background check (5) a $200 tax stamp per weapon (6) a 6-9 month wait for BATF approval.

Maybe Mark can give blow jobs to truckers and the "really fucking smart" will kick in?

johno · Post by **johno** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:12 am

Facts don't matter - It's for the CHILDREN!!!

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:22 am

MarcoFP wrote:It's all whiteys fault.
Only niggers should have guns.

No no no. Our guilt ridden liberals are showing their true colors-- if poor black people get shot (which is the most statistically likely) they ignore it without the slightest show of handwringing, but they only show their 'outrage' if middle class white people get killed. They're enlightened.

syaigh · Post by **syaigh** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:34 am

Batboy2/75 wrote:
syaigh wrote:Honestly, its like me making a differentiation between "kind of smart" and "smart". I'm "really fucking smart" so it doesn't really matter what I know and don't know, I can learn it pretty quickly.
Seriously, is this like a superpower with strings attched? Do you have to blow a meth addled truck driver for these super "really fucking smart" powers to materialize?

This is explaining a lot.

Nope. I guess you're just too fucking stupid to explain how allowing idiots to own guns justifies it for the rest of us.

If you can explain how allowing moronic homicidal maniacs to own guns that are capable of killing a large number of people in a short amount of time justifies your right to protect your "right to own guns" well then, feel free.

Something has to change. And you know this. But, maybe you don't. I think you honestly don't care if my kids, or yours (I don't think you have any) get killed.

.

buckethead · Post by **buckethead** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:54 am

Whats the difference between batboy and syaigh?

One is a whiny emotional bitch. And the other is syaigh

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:56 am

syaigh wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:
syaigh wrote:Honestly, its like me making a differentiation between "kind of smart" and "smart". I'm "really fucking smart" so it doesn't really matter what I know and don't know, I can learn it pretty quickly.
Seriously, is this like a superpower with strings attched? Do you have to blow a meth addled truck driver for these super "really fucking smart" powers to materialize?

This is explaining a lot.

Nope. I guess you're just too fucking stupid to explain how allowing idiots to own guns justifies it for the rest of us.

If you can explain how allowing moronic homicidal maniacs to own guns that are capable of killing a large number of people in a short amount of time justifies your right to protect your "right to own guns" well then, feel free.

Something has to change. And you know this. But, maybe you don't. I think you honestly don't care if my kids, or yours (I don't think you have any) get killed.

.

Your children are more a risk of dying violently from riding in a car or living in a house with a swimming pool. But go on; the homicidal maniac in question didn't own the guns. None of the proposed gun control remedies would have stopped him.

The only thing that needs to change is listening to emotionally worked up dumbasses that will support anything a politician says, so long as it's for the children.

Seriously, was it that slow of a night at the local truck stop?

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:01 am

BucketHead wrote:Whats the difference between batboy and syaigh?

One is a whiny emotional bitch. And the other is syaigh

You forgot syaigh's super powers.

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