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I`d use one of these in space.

ecalpal wrote:Are you messing with me?

Shoot your gun in space in some magical fixture that holds it in place. If your bullet's trajectory is an arc, then your gun is not good.

On earth that same bullet's trajectory won't be a straight line, but that shouldn't be because of your gun.

Bullet does move on an arc. I have not looked for a long time, but I think on some ammo boxes they show the trajectory of the round.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

I feel like a dbag. But I was having a hard time finding the front sight on my 30-30. So I got a rail and a reflex sight for it. I just got it so I have not put it on yet. I could get glasses but then I would feel old, for me feeling like a db is better.

Fat Cat wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:A good gun always shoots a bullet in a straight line

No. A good gun shoots a bullet in an arc known as a trajectory.

Fat Cat wrote:Actually that was a direct quote from an encyclopedia entry for trajectory. A bullet does not follow a straight line, a good shooter knows this and corrects for distance, wind, etc. by using the arc to their advantage. As far as shooting a gun in space, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Lewis Medlock wrote:

ecalpal wrote:Are you messing with me?

Shoot your gun in space in some magical fixture that holds it in place. If your bullet's trajectory is an arc, then your gun is not good.

On earth that same bullet's trajectory won't be a straight line, but that shouldn't be because of your gun.

Bullet does move on an arc. I have not looked for a long time, but I think on some ammo boxes they show the trajectory of the round.

A good gun does not SHOOT the bullet into an arc trajectory. A good gun is designed to shoot a bullet in a STRAIGHT LINE. This is simple physics, and this is why the barrel is straight. And this is also why rifling is beneficial, as the spin it produces gives the bullet angular momentum along its central axis. This inertia will prevent premature tumbling due to other forces (wind, etc.), which may otherwise cause the bullet to arc in some undesired direction.

When the bullet does leave the barrel and begins flying, the gravity from Earth is going to pull it towards to the ground. If you trace this trajectory, it will be parabolic. Add air resistance, and obviously the bullet is going to slow down until its velocity is zero (or until it hits the ground). People can and should should account for these when aiming, as that bullet drop is going to be very predictable. Wind speed, etc. have probably been studied empirically, and these can also be factored for long distance shots.

So yes, a bullet on Earth WILL have an arced trajectory. But this has nothing to do with how good your gun is. If your gun does shoot it into an arc on its own, then it's really not that good, actually.

Fuck guys!
Bullet Drop Compensator.

ecalpal wrote:So yes, a bullet on Earth WILL have an arced trajectory.

Guns fire bullets in arcs everywhere on earth. Thanks for confirming what I have already said several times.

Fat Cat wrote:

ecalpal wrote:So yes, a bullet on Earth WILL have an arced trajectory.

Guns fire bullets in arcs everywhere on earth. Thanks for confirming what I have already said several times.

Good disregard for context. Does your "good gun" fire it that way or does it just happen?

Until I join the fucking Star Rangers I am only concerned with how a bullet travels on Earth. Climb, drop, windage, lead on a moving target or if I am in a moving vehicle, shit like that.

That's why I was started with pellet guns shooting at the Hawkins man on tobacco cans, you learn most of the shit right there and in spades and then you move on to ususpecting little birdies for the leading.

After that a .223 is like a laser gun by comparison.

Obviously no details yet, but does anyone disagree with any of these proposals, if they were to become law?

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

Fat Cat wrote:

ecalpal wrote:So yes, a bullet on Earth WILL have an arced trajectory.

Guns fire bullets in arcs everywhere on earth. Thanks for confirming what I have already said several times.

Not in straight up or down, like AAA or shooting from a tall building.

protobuilder wrote:Obviously no details yet, but does anyone disagree with any of these proposals, if they were to become law?

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

1 = Already need a background check to buy a gun from a buisness or dealer. In many places you are already liable if you sell a weapon to someone you suspect is a criminal.

2 = No, the Goverment already regulates real, full auto capable "Assult weapon" and other goodies the press wants you to think every Jim Bob has, to be registered through the paying of the Federal Firearms Tax Stamp. That is a subversion of the Constitution but it happend in another time when people got weak on the Constitution. Crime happens deal with it there, not what if? on innocent citizens.

Factory registration I'm cool with.

3 = Cool with it depending on what the law actually says about mental health checks. Documented dangerously disturbed and severly depressed people going through hospitalization temporarily until deemded fit.

4 = School's are already Gun Free Zones. So they want to extend it to 2 bl;ocks from a school?

Fuck you, no.

5 = None of your buisness if I give a gun to my kid as his to "own". There are alread restrictions on where a minor can have weapons and your responsability for their actions.
I can tell my son he is the owner of my blaster but if he takes it out and waves it about or worse I'm already fucked.

Other than some of the mental health stuff, there is no need for any of this shit and the Constitution has been suberted enough and it does not need to be subverted for something that's not even going to make a difference in what they say they want to solve.

There is only one reason someone has all the general data, including looking at our populations subjectively wants to restrict the types of firearms you have if your not a convited felon. (Another subversion. Your suppossed to be rehabilitated?)

Control.

Fuck that!! Tighten down on real criminals and established violent gangs,you don't have to subvert the Constitution to do it.

protobuilder wrote:Obviously no details yet, but does anyone disagree with any of these proposals, if they were to become law?

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

Yes, but I won't elaborate til I see a motherfucking link.

protobuilder wrote: require universal background checks for firearm buyers

"closing the gun show loophole" is almost a gimme - most gun owners don't really give a shit, gun dealers will like it, etc.

But it's fairly pointless. Once it passes, if I sell a gun under the table to my neighbor Bubba, who's to say that I didn't sell it to him prior to the stoppage on personal transfers? Sure, new purchases wouldn't have this 'out' but we're at 200mn+ guns prior to the law going into force.

track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database

See above - requires registration of hundreds of millions of guns that the government has barely any clue as to the location of today.

Feel good laws that will cost money and hassle law-abiding people and won't do fuck-all to stop crime or mass murders.

strengthen mental health checks

Masturbation.

stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools

Well! I'm sure Lanza wouldn't have done the deed if the penalties were stiffer.

giving them to minors

Don't know what this means, odds are that what the law would cover is already a federal felony anyway.

My problem with most gun control is less explicitly ideological/need a gun to defend myself from the black helicopters than that it's just the worst kind of policy - ineffective (at stopping crime, doing any measurable amount of good) and invasive of/hassling to law-abiding folks.

If we stop personal transfers, I'm going to work on getting a FFL, carrying a minute amount of inventory and setting up shop at gun shows doing private sale background checks for $25-40 per.

milosz wrote:If we stop personal transfers, I'm going to work on getting a FFL, carrying a minute amount of inventory and setting up shop at gun shows doing private sale background checks for $25-40 per.

No place of business with a location and hours, no inventory to speak of, and you'll be booking guns "in and out" of your book at gun shows... You neglected one thing in your list, Mr. Kitchen Table Dealer, a Lawyer on retainer. You'll need one.

protobuilder wrote:Obviously no details yet, but does anyone disagree with any of these proposals, if they were to become law?

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

Adam Lanza would never have noticed any of these laws. Neither will the Drug Dealers in Chicago who racked up a body count of 500 dead last year. If all else fails drug dealers can get guns from the same people who distribute drugs to them.

Canada's registry was so dicked up that they abandoned it for long rifles. http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/long-gun-regi ... d-1.768669

In the US gun permit data has been abused...

http://www.lohud.com/interactive/articl ... ghborhood-

I'll have the gun shooting blue bullets, thanks

Here in Sweden we live in an upside down world.A bunch of criminals were doing a robbery and one of them pointed an AK 47 against the police and got shot in the head.
Wouldn`t you believe that some people are saying that the police should have followed them with helicopters instead.

Gene wrote:No place of business with a location and hours, no inventory to speak of, and you'll be booking guns "in and out" of your book at gun shows... You neglected one thing in your list, Mr. Kitchen Table Dealer, a Lawyer on retainer. You'll need one.

There are any number of kitchen table FFLs with home location and minimal inventory, primarily dealing with transfers from places like Bud's. I actually have a commercial location that could be used, if I wanted.
Booking in and out is not unprecedented - similar systems are in place where you already need a FFL for private transfers, ala California. The ATF is going to have to accomodate the closing of the loophole.

Bobby wrote:Here in Sweden we live in an upside down world.A bunch of criminals were doing a robbery and one of them pointed an AK 47 against the police and got shot in the head.
Wouldn`t you believe that some people are saying that the police should have followed them with helicopters instead.

This is what you get when a Liberal mentality takes hold, thinking like this that is devoid of reality, justice and efficiency.

Did Cowboy Action Shooting for a few years.

I'm not nearly as fast as this young lad, but if he went nuts, do you really think it would make a difference whether he had an assault weapon or weapon design from the 1800's?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw[/youtube]

Gorbachev wrote:I'll have the gun shooting blue bullets, thanks

Legit LOL

Thanks Gorby.

FUCK ALL OF YOU FUDDs!