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protobuilder wrote:How is it that people have actually gotten more crazy over the past few days? I thought this thing was winding down, and Obama's executive BS was largely unremarkable; yet, the nutjobs on the right are hunkering down even more. Paranoia really runs motherfuckers in the good ol' US of A.

Didn't you read the executive orders he signed? They are CODE, man! You need to educate yourself and see what's really happening. They are coming for your guns and your cars and......brb!

His kids can have all the SS in the world. I have nothing against his children and the POTUS's family should be protected no matter if no family member has been killed.

But the fucker has no right, under the Constitution that he is suppossed to be a prof. of, to tell me how or with what I decide to protect my family with. He does it on our dime, I do it on mine.

Fucking moot argument as the Bill of Rights is not to be fucked with. If you don;t like what the 2nd really means than you have an option that is not treason. It's a big world full of countries that do not have a Bill of Rights and many of them are near devoid of Kaz's favorite folks, so you actually do have a good chance of never needing a gun against crime. You can take your chances that those countries, many in a continant that saw the start of 2 World Wars and a couple of genocides within the last 100 years, stay nice and stable.

If not fucking deal with the fact that many of us have weapons that make you piss your pant's at their mere black, plastic sexyness and so few of them ever find their way into the hands of spree shooting animals that it is mathmatically not even a blip next to our 320million+ populations.

It's amazing how so many on this site of cynics with fully operational bullshit detectors actually dont get the fact that out of that many people any of us can find enough horrid shit to fill up a 30 minute news program with "Oh my God!" situations to make the media raised sheeple think there is an epidemic of school and theater shootings.

Stop being fucking emotionalist wo-men about this shit.

To celebrate the Executive orders of BHO, today i requalified with an AR-15 and and a 9mm that held more ammo than i could feed in a minute if i were to have used a musket. Or even a Sharps Rifle.

It was great fun and very instructive. Anybody who says you couldn't hunt with either weapon or use it for home defense is ignorant. Anybody who doesn't understand that is not why the 2nd Amendment exists is a fool.

^^^ Time well spent and fucking A right!

A New York lawmaker says that the state’s recently passed gun control law stunningly fails to include any exemptions for law enforcement officers, and technically prohibits police from ever bringing guns on school grounds or possessing extended ammo magazines.

The NY SAFE Act, which was championed and signed into law by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, bans all magazines that hold more than seven bullets and pre-1994 high capacity magazines, and prohibits the carrying of guns on school grounds.

But because no loophole for law enforcement was included in the law, every police officer in the state is technically in violation of the statute even though the prohibition is unlikely to be enforced, according to New York Assemblyman Al Graf.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/17/cuomo ... shootings/

powerlifter54 wrote:To celebrate the Executive orders of BHO, today i requalified with an AR-15 and and a 9mm that held more ammo than i could feed in a minute if i were to have used a musket. Or even a Sharps Rifle.

It was great fun and very instructive. Anybody who says you couldn't hunt with either weapon or use it for home defense is ignorant. Anybody who doesn't understand that is not why the 2nd Amendment exists is a fool.

BucketHead wrote:

powerlifter54 wrote:To celebrate the Executive orders of BHO, today i requalified with an AR-15 and and a 9mm that held more ammo than i could feed in a minute if i were to have used a musket. Or even a Sharps Rifle.

It was great fun and very instructive. Anybody who says you couldn't hunt with either weapon or use it for home defense is ignorant. Anybody who doesn't understand that is not why the 2nd Amendment exists is a fool.

The government will NEVER take him alive!

I just don't understand this:

When 9/11 happened, we realized that there were crazy people with bad intentions and whatever weapons they could get on a plane who would try and kill people on planes. We didn't decide to arm passengers and we didn't outlaw box cutters, we increased security on passenger screening and have federal air marshalls. (I know everyone hates the TSA and thinks its ineffective, but its an analogy, cut me some slack.)

So, why can't the solution be federal school marshalls and working on getting that "so-and-so-can't-have-a-gun-because-he's-crazy-violent-etc." database up to date.

I know no one wants to give more money to schools (big eye roll), but seriously, wouldn't that be the least offensive and most effective solution to this?

syaigh wrote:I just don't understand this:

When 9/11 happened, we realized that there were crazy people with bad intentions and whatever weapons they could get on a plane who would try and kill people on planes. We didn't decide to arm passengers and we didn't outlaw box cutters, we increased security on passenger screening and have federal air marshalls. (I know everyone hates the TSA and thinks its ineffective, but its an analogy, cut me some slack.)

So, why can't the solution be federal school marshalls and working on getting that "so-and-so-can't-have-a-gun-because-he's-crazy-violent-etc." database up to date.

I know no one wants to give more money to schools (big eye roll), but seriously, wouldn't that be the least offensive and most effective solution to this?

Realistically, coordination between the federal school marshals and local LEOs would be extremely difficult. Not only that you'd have to go through the federal appropriations and hiring process-- which would take two or three years to ramp up.

syaigh wrote: So, why can't the solution be federal school marshalls and working on getting that "so-and-so-can't-have-a-gun-because-he's-crazy-violent-etc." database up to date.

I don't normally reply to women, but, didn't Obama's executive orders touch on these issues, indirectly if not directly? And what makes you think Congress won't take up such issues?

What makes me think Congress will do anything other than fight and call each other ugly names? Uhhhhh . . . . .

The executive orders may have touched on this, but will anything actually happen? I don't know. What is a "school resource officer" anyway?

Good link: http://www.assaultweapon.info/

syaigh wrote:What is a "school resource officer" anyway?

The hot milf that will blow you under the bleachers while you wait for your kids' game to wrap up?

protobuilder wrote:

syaigh wrote:What is a "school resource officer" anyway?

The hot milf that will blow you under the bleachers while you wait for your kids' game to wrap up?

The school resource officer at my high school was a cop the local PD didn't view as competent enough for traffic duty.

Pinky wrote:

protobuilder wrote:

syaigh wrote:What is a "school resource officer" anyway?

The hot milf that will blow you under the bleachers while you wait for your kids' game to wrap up?

The school resource officer at my high school was a cop the local PD didn't view as competent enough for traffic duty.

aka a D.A.R.E. officer?

baffled wrote:

Pinky wrote:

protobuilder wrote:

syaigh wrote:What is a "school resource officer" anyway?

The hot milf that will blow you under the bleachers while you wait for your kids' game to wrap up?

The school resource officer at my high school was a cop the local PD didn't view as competent enough for traffic duty.

aka a D.A.R.E. officer?

No, he was there full time. His duties consisted of being physically present, and deciding who was at fault in parking lot accidents. (Somehow none of the accidents were the fault of girls in the HS, even when they were.)

protobuilder wrote:

BucketHead wrote:

powerlifter54 wrote:To celebrate the Executive orders of BHO, today i requalified with an AR-15 and and a 9mm that held more ammo than i could feed in a minute if i were to have used a musket. Or even a Sharps Rifle.

It was great fun and very instructive. Anybody who says you couldn't hunt with either weapon or use it for home defense is ignorant. Anybody who doesn't understand that is not why the 2nd Amendment exists is a fool.

The government will NEVER take him alive!

How goes the new job?

I got to deal w/NYS's gun control issue today. I was talking to a nice hard working and decent veteran as he struggled with what to do with his AR and high capacity mags. He refuses to register anything because he fears the gov't will eventually come for his guns and he says that he won't allow himself to be treated like a dangerous sex offender. He's not giving up anything regardless of the law. He sees his options as storing them in a free state or moving to a free state.

It's not like losing these weapons will destroy his life but when you look at the cavalier and almost banana republic way this was handled, I feel for the guy. Guns were his fun thing and the state came in in their coercive way and fucked with a harmless guy. All so Andrew Cuomo could further his presidential ambitions and get ahead of Obama to pronounce NYS as having the strongest gun laws in the nation.

I am disgusted.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:I got to deal w/NYS's gun control issue today. I was talking to a nice hard working and decent veteran as he struggled with what to do with his AR and high capacity mags. He refuses to register anything because he fears the gov't will eventually come for his guns and he says that he won't allow himself to be treated like a dangerous sex offender. He's not giving up anything regardless of the law. He sees his options as storing them in a free state or moving to a free state.

It's not like losing these weapons will destroy his life but when you look at the cavalier and almost banana republic way this was handled, I feel for the guy. Guns were his fun thing and the state came in in their coercive way and fucked with a harmless guy. All so Andrew Cuomo could further his presidential ambitions and get ahead of Obama to pronounce NYS as having the strongest gun laws in the nation.

I am disgusted.

PVC pipe, end caps, glue, hole in ground put there for what's coming.

Right here, total cunt elitest shit, liberal feelings, one world control freak shit all present in this on top of whorish politicol action that does nothing for their stated goal.

The ARA is looking good, even a guilded cage is still a cage. It's not like we want anyone who puts that shit above liberty and it's not like you need a huge army to fight and make shit happen.

The Patriots showed that in the late 1700's.

The IRA showed that in the early 20th Centruy.

The PIRA showed that in the later 20th century.

You don;t even need to take over as PIRA showed.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:I got to deal w/NYS's gun control issue today. I was talking to a nice hard working and decent veteran as he struggled with what to do with his AR and high capacity mags. He refuses to register anything because he fears the gov't will eventually come for his guns and he says that he won't allow himself to be treated like a dangerous sex offender. He's not giving up anything regardless of the law. He sees his options as storing them in a free state or moving to a free state.

It's not like losing these weapons will destroy his life but when you look at the cavalier and almost banana republic way this was handled, I feel for the guy. Guns were his fun thing and the state came in in their coercive way and fucked with a harmless guy. All so Andrew Cuomo could further his presidential ambitions and get ahead of Obama to pronounce NYS as having the strongest gun laws in the nation.

I am disgusted.

Waaaahhh. My toys.

He doesn't have a real problem.

If he's worried about New York coming for his shit, he can wait for the "we're coming for your shit" announcement to move his shit out of state.

He's not being registered like a sex offender. He's registering property the way he registers his car.

But truly, if people really do have these convictions, they can vote with their feet. It's a good way to see who really has the better state systems.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

DrDonkeyLove wrote:I got to deal w/NYS's gun control issue today. I was talking to a nice hard working and decent veteran as he struggled with what to do with his AR and high capacity mags. He refuses to register anything because he fears the gov't will eventually come for his guns and he says that he won't allow himself to be treated like a dangerous sex offender. He's not giving up anything regardless of the law. He sees his options as storing them in a free state or moving to a free state.

It's not like losing these weapons will destroy his life but when you look at the cavalier and almost banana republic way this was handled, I feel for the guy. Guns were his fun thing and the state came in in their coercive way and fucked with a harmless guy. All so Andrew Cuomo could further his presidential ambitions and get ahead of Obama to pronounce NYS as having the strongest gun laws in the nation.

I am disgusted.

Waaaahhh. My toys.

He doesn't have a real problem.

If he's worried about New York coming for his shit, he can wait for the "we're coming for your shit" announcement to move his shit out of state.

He's not being registered like a sex offender. He's registering property the way he registers his car.

But truly, if people really do have these convictions, they can vote with their feet. It's a good way to see who really has the better state systems.

I'll start where we sort of agree.

I do think we should respect the states the way the Founder's intended and on non Bill of Rights issues you are right. you let the states be a lab for different ideas of the politicol spectrem.

But this is a Bill of Rights issue, this is not a car. A weapon is a right that has been subverted on every level of goverment too much as it is.

As for your Waaaah bullshit towards the feelings of a real fucking man compared to you,it's not just registration going on in NY, he is now not allowed to have more than 7 rounds in a mag and other bullshit that now effects my fucking family members.

Your so fucking smug with your shit with how you think the Constitution should be fucked with. And then you'll tell us your not a liberal.

If it's just you being the Devil's advocate around here, than whatever but if your real attitude towards this man describesd then I hope when it sets off those Chi town apes gut shoot you and you watch your wife rapped by a train of your favorite folks.

Maybe if you tell them you voted for Obama they won't knock out your teeth and face fuck you.

The Constitution's Second Amendment was created to bolster slavery and capture land from Native Americans, award winning actor Danny Glover told a group of students at a Texas A&M sponsored event on Thursday.

Actor Danny Glover told students at Texas A&M University the intent of the Second Amendment was to protect slavery.

“I don’t know if you know the genesis of the right to bear arms,” he said. “The Second Amendment comes from the right to protect themselves from slave revolts, and from uprisings by Native Americans.”

“A revolt from people who were stolen from their land or revolt from people whose land was stolen from, that’s what the genesis of the second amendment is,” he continued.

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4582

DARTH wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

DrDonkeyLove wrote:I got to deal w/NYS's gun control issue today. I was talking to a nice hard working and decent veteran as he struggled with what to do with his AR and high capacity mags. He refuses to register anything because he fears the gov't will eventually come for his guns and he says that he won't allow himself to be treated like a dangerous sex offender. He's not giving up anything regardless of the law. He sees his options as storing them in a free state or moving to a free state.

It's not like losing these weapons will destroy his life but when you look at the cavalier and almost banana republic way this was handled, I feel for the guy. Guns were his fun thing and the state came in in their coercive way and fucked with a harmless guy. All so Andrew Cuomo could further his presidential ambitions and get ahead of Obama to pronounce NYS as having the strongest gun laws in the nation.

I am disgusted.

Waaaahhh. My toys.

He doesn't have a real problem.

If he's worried about New York coming for his shit, he can wait for the "we're coming for your shit" announcement to move his shit out of state.

He's not being registered like a sex offender. He's registering property the way he registers his car.

But truly, if people really do have these convictions, they can vote with their feet. It's a good way to see who really has the better state systems.

I'll start where we sort of agree.

I do think we should respect the states the way the Founder's intended and on non Bill of Rights issues you are right. you let the states be a lab for different ideas of the politicol spectrem.

But this is a Bill of Rights issue, this is not a car. A weapon is a right that has been subverted on every level of goverment too much as it is.

As for your Waaaah bullshit towards the feelings of a real fucking man compared to you,it's not just registration going on in NY, he is now not allowed to have more than 7 rounds in a mag and other bullshit that now effects my fucking family members.

Your so fucking smug with your shit with how you think the Constitution should be fucked with. And then you'll tell us your not a liberal.

If it's just you being the Devil's advocate around here, than whatever but if your real attitude towards this man describesd then I hope when it sets off those Chi town apes gut shoot you and you watch your wife rapped by a train of your favorite folks.

Maybe if you tell them you voted for Obama they won't knock out your teeth and face fuck you.

D, as far as I can tell, I'm comfortably to the right of Reagan and most NRA members on gun issues. I'm glad we're finally getting CCW in Illinois. Dumb gun laws are real in some places.

I think that these 15-20-30 round weapons are not necessary to defend oneself against anything, but are great for killing lots of people fast. Personal protection is important. If a private citizen feels under-armed with a 1911 on the street, something is wrong with him. For revolting against the gubmint, the tactics are different than that of a 1st world army, and ARs won't make the difference.

Every AR owner I know owns them primarily as bad ass recreation. Just as some believe registration is a government plan for confiscation, I think the gun lobby scares people into buying ridiculous quantities of products from its real constituents, the manufacturers. Panic mongering over elections and most gun laws are just part of that game. If this were a matter of taste, I wouldn't care, but it's become a matter of public safety.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

DARTH wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

DrDonkeyLove wrote:I got to deal w/NYS's gun control issue today. I was talking to a nice hard working and decent veteran as he struggled with what to do with his AR and high capacity mags. He refuses to register anything because he fears the gov't will eventually come for his guns and he says that he won't allow himself to be treated like a dangerous sex offender. He's not giving up anything regardless of the law. He sees his options as storing them in a free state or moving to a free state.

It's not like losing these weapons will destroy his life but when you look at the cavalier and almost banana republic way this was handled, I feel for the guy. Guns were his fun thing and the state came in in their coercive way and fucked with a harmless guy. All so Andrew Cuomo could further his presidential ambitions and get ahead of Obama to pronounce NYS as having the strongest gun laws in the nation.

I am disgusted.

Waaaahhh. My toys.

He doesn't have a real problem.

If he's worried about New York coming for his shit, he can wait for the "we're coming for your shit" announcement to move his shit out of state.

He's not being registered like a sex offender. He's registering property the way he registers his car.

But truly, if people really do have these convictions, they can vote with their feet. It's a good way to see who really has the better state systems.

I'll start where we sort of agree.

I do think we should respect the states the way the Founder's intended and on non Bill of Rights issues you are right. you let the states be a lab for different ideas of the politicol spectrem.

But this is a Bill of Rights issue, this is not a car. A weapon is a right that has been subverted on every level of goverment too much as it is.

As for your Waaaah bullshit towards the feelings of a real fucking man compared to you,it's not just registration going on in NY, he is now not allowed to have more than 7 rounds in a mag and other bullshit that now effects my fucking family members.

Your so fucking smug with your shit with how you think the Constitution should be fucked with. And then you'll tell us your not a liberal.

If it's just you being the Devil's advocate around here, than whatever but if your real attitude towards this man describesd then I hope when it sets off those Chi town apes gut shoot you and you watch your wife rapped by a train of your favorite folks.

Maybe if you tell them you voted for Obama they won't knock out your teeth and face fuck you.

D, as far as I can tell, I'm comfortably to the right of Reagan and most NRA members on gun issues. I'm glad we're finally getting CCW in Illinois. Dumb gun laws are real in some places.

I think that these 15-20-30 round weapons are not necessary to defend oneself against anything, but are great for killing lots of people fast. Personal protection is important. If a private citizen feels under-armed with a 1911 on the street, something is wrong with him. For revolting against the gubmint, the tactics are different than that of a 1st world army, and ARs won't make the difference.

Every AR owner I know owns them primarily as bad ass recreation. Just as some believe registration is a government plan for confiscation, I think the gun lobby scares people into buying ridiculous quantities of products from its real constituents, the manufacturers. Panic mongering over elections and most gun laws are just part of that game. If this were a matter of taste, I wouldn't care, but it's become a matter of public safety.

For an Irishman you don;t seem to know much about the PIRA. They used lot's of Armalight AR-15s and full auto AK-47s to fight the kind of war most likely to go down here.

High capacity mags make little difference to a spree killer but they can help you if the situation degrades into a firefight and that can happen.

We have film of a spree killing survivor explaining how fast the guy changed his mags.

Just because the majority of AR and the like owner's you know have them as toys means nothing.

We don't need laws based on the sentaments of the weak and only take rights away from the rest of us.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:I think that these 15-20-30 round weapons are not necessary to defend oneself against anything, but are great for killing lots of people fast.

Remember that video of the older fella who owned a watch store in the middle of Compton (?) and was involved in multiple shoot outs? He said the first thing he learned was that one 6-shot revolver wasn't enough, and that was within the confines of a very small shop with one avenue of approach that was about 10 feet wide.