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I'm sure you've seen this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

But I wanted to get a more informed perspective and I don't have many people around me that could provide it. So, what do you think?

Am curious what others think as well.

Personally...I don't see what the impetus for this was.

The article gets it right, although it buries it:

Critics of opening combat positions to women have argued for years that integration during deployments could create a distracting, sexually charged atmosphere in the force and that women are unable to perform some of the more physically demanding jobs.

Integrating basic training further would degrade training (hopefully the Marines have seen what's happening in the other services and haven't been dumb enough to integrate theirs) for both males and females. The one year princess problem causes enough trouble already...

Also, the political pressure will come-- combat arms branches will have to maintain numbers. Standards will degrade further, and casualties in combat will increase.

There will be an occasional hard ass woman that will be better infantrymen than some of the other dipshits I have had to serve alongside, however overall I think that the idea of women being able to perform equally will not happen in combat.

I hate to talk about a sample size of 1 as if it applies to the entire population but I remember one cunt in our support company who thought she could do our job because she qualified expert on the SAW (squad automatic weapon) and was highly skilled at talking shit and saying fuck. When she ended up in a situation where she had to do our job she cowered under a desk like the rest of the faggot pogues in the building while the infantry actually did what they were suppossed to do.

The worst part of this policy is that it will probably be far harder to overturn than it will be to implement.

It certainly could make excellent material for a comedy flick.

Tragic PC error.

Less than 1 womyn in 100 can meet the physical standards. But there will be pressure to find and promote them both career and PR wise.

Unit cohesion and moral is impacted by womyn, acceptable when the unit is not primarily about face to face combat, but not in this new context.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 60,00.html

"Looking back, it is kinda funny," she says. "I can remember looking ridiculous with my arms hanging out to here. A sense of humor and little denial go a long way in making this a bearable thing."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z2IuKxQiOt

Rhonda Cornum just retired as a Brig General.

As long as they are elite, it shouldn't be a problem.

No problem.

Make all women sign up for selective service like tomorrow.

Think about it, when we are fighting the Chinese, our daughters, wives, ex-wives and all the gay folk will no longer get a pass from the draft.

Dan Martin wrote:As long as they are elite, it shouldn't be a problem.

So you're saying they should only recruit from within the Crossfit ranks? Interesting.

The virtual guarantee of being gang raped to death should have negated this stuff. Think about how weak and prissy some to the young men joining the services. Add a sense of feminism entitlement, on top of further physical weakness, and the real issue of menses clouding the judgement and its fucked.

I've had multiple female bosses, and it didnt matter if they were in charge of 2 people or 2000, you fucking knew when they were on the rag

Even if physical standards are lowered to accomodate the women, there are implications these dumb cunts aren't considering. Field training in a tactical environment. 2, 3, 4 or more weeks in the field, humping a 70 pound ruck. There are no hot showers every night. You shave your gob with cold canteen water in the morning, and you conduct foot maintenance. Everyone reeks after a week, even in cold weather.

Answering the call of nature. On a patrol, if you have to shit en route to your OBJ, well... tough shit, you hold it. Have to piss en route? Take care of it while moving or while taking a knee durning a map check. Conducting patrol base activites involves establishing a 360 degree security perimeter. Once sectors of fire are assigned, no one leaves the perimeter, period. So the medic digs a community cat hole for shitting and pissing. How many women would be comfortable shitting or pissing in front of 40 dudes? I remember once at Ranger school issuing an OPORD for the next patrol, in the middle of the patrol base, several feet from the cat hole (perimeters are only so big). I looked up and saw the bare back side of a dude squatting over the hole pushing out a two foot turd. We all thought it was funny. Again, how many women would be comfortable in this situation?

That time of the month in the field. I don't know for certain, but I suspect special accomodations would be needed to address this. And if so, it would involve violating tactical requirements. Otherwise, imagine the smell. Time in the field is gruelling, sweaty, smelly, and by most womens' sensibilities, icky.

LOL. I see this lasting about 5 minutes after the stark realization sets in.

Separate latrines will be built for women, who will have shower facilities available daily.

I would imagine that this has as much to do with having enough able-bodied recruit

..."we missed our recruiting objective by over 7,000," said Ret. Gen. Jack Wheeler with Mission Readiness. "And we said, 'Oh gosh, the recruiter's not working hard enough.' Well, come to find out, they were working hard enough. They had enough young volunteers coming to the door wanting to volunteer, but they failed to qualify."

http://www.wistv.com/story/20680843/not ... ty-problem

Uh... your point escapes me.

the fearless freep wrote:Even if physical standards are lowered to accomodate the women, there are implications these dumb cunts aren't considering. Field training in a tactical environment. 2, 3, 4 or more weeks in the field, humping a 70 pound ruck. There are no hot showers every night. You shave your gob with cold canteen water in the morning, and you conduct foot maintenance. Everyone reeks after a week, even in cold weather.

Answering the call of nature. On a patrol, if you have to shit en route to your OBJ, well... tough shit, you hold it. Have to piss en route? Take care of it while moving or while taking a knee durning a map check. Conducting patrol base activites involves establishing a 360 degree security perimeter. Once sectors of fire are assigned, no one leaves the perimeter, period. So the medic digs a community cat hole for shitting and pissing. How many women would be comfortable shitting or pissing in front of 40 dudes? I remember once at Ranger school issuing an OPORD for the next patrol, in the middle of the patrol base, several feet from the cat hole (perimeters are only so big). I looked up and saw the bare back side of a dude squatting over the hole pushing out a two foot turd. We all thought it was funny. Again, how many women would be comfortable in this situation?

That time of the month in the field. I don't know for certain, but I suspect special accomodations would be needed to address this. And if so, it would involve violating tactical requirements. Otherwise, imagine the smell. Time in the field is gruelling, sweaty, smelly, and by most womens' sensibilities, icky.

LOL. I see this lasting about 5 minutes after the stark realization sets in.

That's the old stark realization-- wait until the lawyers get involved.

Wait until the first one takes 2 o3 to the head, or the taliban drag her naked body through the streets. Or gangrape her afer capture. Stupid fucking idea on so many fronts.

tough old man wrote:Wait until the first one takes 2 o3 to the head, or the taliban drag her naked body through the streets. Or gangrape her afer capture. Stupid fucking idea on so many fronts.

At which point the lawyers will start blabbering on about banning Marines from carrying assault rifles...

the fearless freep wrote:Uh... your point escapes me.

Need more bodies for the machine. Who gives a shit about military objectives and hunting the evil doers down. If the US doesn't have enough able-bodied male recruits to keep the fire stoked, throw a few women on the pile.

Turdacious wrote:

the fearless freep wrote:Even if physical standards are lowered to accomodate the women, there are implications these dumb cunts aren't considering. Field training in a tactical environment. 2, 3, 4 or more weeks in the field, humping a 70 pound ruck. There are no hot showers every night. You shave your gob with cold canteen water in the morning, and you conduct foot maintenance. Everyone reeks after a week, even in cold weather.

Answering the call of nature. On a patrol, if you have to shit en route to your OBJ, well... tough shit, you hold it. Have to piss en route? Take care of it while moving or while taking a knee durning a map check. Conducting patrol base activites involves establishing a 360 degree security perimeter. Once sectors of fire are assigned, no one leaves the perimeter, period. So the medic digs a community cat hole for shitting and pissing. How many women would be comfortable shitting or pissing in front of 40 dudes? I remember once at Ranger school issuing an OPORD for the next patrol, in the middle of the patrol base, several feet from the cat hole (perimeters are only so big). I looked up and saw the bare back side of a dude squatting over the hole pushing out a two foot turd. We all thought it was funny. Again, how many women would be comfortable in this situation?

That time of the month in the field. I don't know for certain, but I suspect special accomodations would be needed to address this. And if so, it would involve violating tactical requirements. Otherwise, imagine the smell. Time in the field is gruelling, sweaty, smelly, and by most womens' sensibilities, icky.

LOL. I see this lasting about 5 minutes after the stark realization sets in.

That's the old stark realization-- wait until the lawyers get involved.

Point taken. But only if the pussies in charge of the DoD concede to the lawyers, and dismiss the reduction of readiness in the combat arms force by allowing compromises in tactical procedures to accomodate the special needs of the hygiene requirements of female personnel, and the monthly bleeding hatchet wounds therein. Fuck it, they already have.

tough old man wrote:Wait until the first one takes 2 o3 to the head, or the taliban drag her naked body through the streets. Or gangrape her afer capture. Stupid fucking idea on so many fronts.

Oh well, time to make every woman in the country sign up for selective service. Might as well be FAiR and all.

This should be fun to watch unfold.

Its hard enough to watch a man die. My friend Nate died in Central America, tripped a wire attached to a can that held 3 grenades. Dumped out about 20' high and detonated about waist high. Imagine if that was a woman E3 that your instincts tell you to protect at all costs?

This is 100% PC pandering and payback to bitches that voted for Darth Soetoro from his administration.

IF we had a system where anyone can go to Basic/Boot and give it their all and if you make the cut, your in then I am good with it as I would have had the chance denied to me.

But that is not what we will have and you all know standards will be lowered,

Any bitch who does join the Infantry better not fight for Soetoro's Order 66 because any captured will be raped, violated, degradded and exhibited in ways that would make the Marque De Sade cum his pant's.

(There's some more shit for you Jeezy.)

tough old man wrote:Imagine if that was a woman E3 that your instincts tell you to protect at all costs?

Because you wouldn't protect your brother in arms at all cost?

There are many reasons why I would agree women in combat arms is a bad idea, but this is a commonly used one I don't think holds much water.

This is an affirmative action plan for female officers.

Very very very few women will volunteer for these positions. Those that do, will do so (1) to get an early attempt to game the system and or garner attention and (2) will be in it for the perceived career advancement. However, the standards as the sit today will guarnatee a very very small number of women will make it. So few in fact, the calls for the degrading of the fitness and training will soon start.

To put this into perspective, only 3.8% of all pilots in the Airforce are women. While pilot training is mentally and to some extent physically challanging. Infantry training is physically challenging 24/7. I would guess less that maybe 3% in the softer combat specialties, less than 1% in traditional combat arms,and absolutely none in Special Operations units would end up with women.

The only women to possibly gain from this move are career women officers that have the testicular fortitude to hang. A crazy small percentage of women.

Politicians and beaurocrats have little interest in reality. All that matters is votes. When the stats come out that very few women are volunteering and even fewer are making it; the game will be on. The calls for Standards to be cut, pushed aside, and explained away; will soon start. The perfumed princess that sit in the pentagon will comply.

Interesting that this is happening as we plan to exit combat operations (2014) before the enforcement 2016 due date. With no active large shooting war, the side effects of this little experiment can be kept under wraps. God help the combat units that deploy under this new paradigm.

Batboy2/75 wrote:This is an affirmative action plan for female officers.

Very very very few women will volunteer for these positions. Those that do, will do so (1) to get an early attempt to game the system and or garner attention and (2) will be in it for the perceived career advancement. However, the standards as the sit today will guarnatee a very very small number of women will make it. So few in fact, the calls for the degrading of the fitness and training will soon start.

To put this into perspective, only 3.8% of all pilots in the Airforce are women. While pilot training is mentally and to some extent physically challanging. Infantry training is physically challenging 24/7. I would guess less that maybe 3% in the softer combat specialties, less than 1% in traditional combat arms,and absolutely none in Special Operations units

The only women to possibly gain from this move are career women officers that have the testicular fortitude to hang. A crazy small percentage of women.

Politicians and beaurocrats have little interest in reality. All that matters is votes. When the stats come out that very few women are volunteering and even fewer are making it; the game will be on. The calls for Standards to be cut, pushed aside, and explained away; will soon start. The perfumed princess that sit in the pentagon will comply.

Interesting that this is happening as we plan to exit combat operations (2014) before the enforcement 2016 due date. With no active large shooting war, the side effects of this little experiment can be kept under wraps. God help the combat units that deploy under this new paradigm.

Could the male officers and NCOs just tell the chicks to sit their ases in the rear or at the FOB and not let her out on combat patrols and raids?

"We need someone we can trust back here. Lt. Goodbottom, Capt. Khunt and Cpl. Sugartitzlic will hold things down and make sure the REMFs don;t fuck with our shit and help run comm."

I think they are just over-inflating the job title of all the comfort women they're bringing to the men on the front lines, who have been complaining that the Afghan bitches cover their mugs for good reason.