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Fire every single one of these socialist turds.

Remember, something like half their students never graduate HS. Something tells me that if push came to shove, half of the union membership couldn't pass a high school equivalency examine either.
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They don't like the schools either:
The Chicago numbers were startling: 46 percent of that city’s public school teachers (compared to 22 percent of Chicagoans in general) sent their children to private schools. Even more interesting was the human-interest part of the story. The Reporter found a bustling private Montessori school on the South Side that enrolled so many children of public school teachers that parent/teacher conferences were held on public school holidays!
The data again show that urban public school teachers are more likely than either urban households or the general public to send their children to private schools. Across the states, 12.2 percent of all families (urban, rural, and suburban) send their children to private schools —a figure that roughly corresponds to perennial and well-known data on the proportion of U.S. children enrolled in private schools. But urban public school teachers send their children to private schools at a rate of 21.5 percent, nearly double the national rate of private-school attendance. Urban public school teachers are also more likely to send their children to private school than are urban families in general (21.5 vs. 17.5 percent).
http://www.edexcellencemedia.net/public ... wd-1.1.pdf

And they they don't care about the kids, they oppose charter schools and most meaningful reforms.
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And don't forget: It's not fair to evaluate them on how they (don't) do their job, but only on how long they have(n't) been doing it.
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Pinky wrote:And don't forget: It's not fair to evaluate them on how they (don't) do their job, but only on how long they have(n't) been doing it.
I'm sure they already are evaluated on how they do their job, probably bi-annually by their school's leadership, just like most other employees.

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protobuilder wrote:
Pinky wrote:And don't forget: It's not fair to evaluate them on how they (don't) do their job, but only on how long they have(n't) been doing it.
I'm sure they already are evaluated on how they do their job, probably bi-annually by their school's leadership, just like most other employees.

But don't let facts get in your way.
So your speculation counts as facts now? I heard an NPR story shortly before I wrote that reporting that the teachers wanted to be judged more on tenure, and not on student performance. Their argument is that too much of student performance is due to factors outside of their control (poverty, etc.). While that's true if you look at student performance in levels, it ignores the possibility of evaluating teachers on relative improvements in student performance.

The idea that public school teachers are evaluated "just like most other employees" is absurdly false.
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Speculation from a game theorist a couple of years ago:
...if Daley had decided to run again, I’m assuming he would have been re-elected easily with no candidate coming close to him popularity. His voluntary departure signals that there is some hidden problem that’s going to be trouble in the next term.
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Occupy Los Angeles demonstrators are suing the city for what they said was an unlawful “shock and awe” attack on their civil rights when 1,400 police officers swept nearly 300 demonstrators from City Hall grounds more than a year ago.

The Nov. 30, 2011 arrests at Los Angeles City Hall came after an eight-week encampment aligned with the Occupy Wall Street movement calling attention to “bailouts for Wall Street and foreclosures for Main Street.”

Five people are suing in a class action lawsuit that represents 292 people detained by officers in the raid. Court documents said those arrested were denied food and water for hours while being detained at the Metropolitan Detention Center downtown, at a jail in Van Nuys or on a bus en route to the lockup.

Some were forced to urinate on themselves after being denied access to restrooms, court documents allege.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... olice?lite

Apparently being arrested isn't like summer camp. Who knew?
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According to a new study from sociologists at the City University of New York, more than a third of activists in the Occupy movement in New York City had household incomes above $100,000, placing them at the cusp of the top quintile of income distribution in America. Researchers surveyed 729 people who participated in a May 1 rally last year and were involved in the “occupation” of Zuccotti Park in the fall of 2011, and found that they were more affluent, whiter, younger, much more highly educated, and more likely to be male than the average New Yorker.

Non-Hispanic whites constituted 62 percent of all respondents, though they make up only 33 percent of New York City residents. While only about a third of Americans hold bachelors’ degrees, 76 percent of respondents who had completed their education had a four-year college degree and 39 percent had graduate degrees. Among college graduates, more than a quarter went to top-ranked schools, which might help explain why the majority of graduates under 30 had some student debt. While 10 percent of participants were unemployed, 71 percent were employed in professional occupations. Eight percent were “blue collar.”

Michele Crentsil, a 23-year-old African-American participant told the researchers, “When people are saying, ‘Occupy Wall Street is a white middle-class thing,’ I can’t really fight them, because it’s not true, but then it’s not necessarily false either.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/33 ... ne-connell
Haven't read the actual study. Can find it here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ect-2.html
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"Non-Hispanic whites constituted 62 percent of all respondents, though they make up only 33 percent of New York City residents."
cherry-picking like this always makes my eyes roll - oh those lib'rul elitists

Non-Hispanic whites are still ~50% of Manhattan. Occupy New York took place... in Manhattan. While I'm sure it drew from other boroughs, its demos are going to look more like Manhattan.

Of course, if the demographic had shown that most of them were black and brown or college dropouts, the NR headline would have been DIRTY WORTHLESS MUD PEOPLE HIPPIES WHO ARE JEALOUS OF MY RED STATE SUCCESS.


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baffled wrote:
According to a new study from sociologists at the City University of New York, more than a third of activists in the Occupy movement in New York City had household incomes above $100,000, placing them at the cusp of the top quintile of income distribution in America. Researchers surveyed 729 people who participated in a May 1 rally last year and were involved in the “occupation” of Zuccotti Park in the fall of 2011, and found that they were more affluent, whiter, younger, much more highly educated, and more likely to be male than the average New Yorker.

Non-Hispanic whites constituted 62 percent of all respondents, though they make up only 33 percent of New York City residents. While only about a third of Americans hold bachelors’ degrees, 76 percent of respondents who had completed their education had a four-year college degree and 39 percent had graduate degrees. Among college graduates, more than a quarter went to top-ranked schools, which might help explain why the majority of graduates under 30 had some student debt. While 10 percent of participants were unemployed, 71 percent were employed in professional occupations. Eight percent were “blue collar.”

Michele Crentsil, a 23-year-old African-American participant told the researchers, “When people are saying, ‘Occupy Wall Street is a white middle-class thing,’ I can’t really fight them, because it’s not true, but then it’s not necessarily false either.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/33 ... ne-connell
Haven't read the actual study. Can find it here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ect-2.html
Skimmed through the study and it's more thorough than you would expect.

Aren't the demographics what you would expect and the same as in most social protests such as those against Vietnam or civil rights (not that I am equating Wall Street with either of those in terms of importance nor scale), especially in Manhattan? Primarily white, primarily educated or in school, white collar young people. Women suffrage didn't get traction until this group got involved and the legacy of MLK is that he brought this group (and others) into the conversation.

NYC may not be predominately Caucasian through lower Manhattan certainly is - $100K is a lot for Kansas but not so much for NYC. The only thing, with those demographics, they should have been more organized than they were.
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Skimmed through, so I may be off here. Looks like most of the respondents were under 30, so I'm thinking that "household income" may mean mom and dad. Which could explain how they could camp out for months.
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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:Skimmed through, so I may be off here. Looks like most of the respondents were under 30, so I'm thinking that "household income" may mean mom and dad. Which could explain how they could camp out for months.
A quarter of the participants were currently students - supports your guess as well.
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Terry B. wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:Skimmed through, so I may be off here. Looks like most of the respondents were under 30, so I'm thinking that "household income" may mean mom and dad. Which could explain how they could camp out for months.
A quarter of the participants were currently students - supports your guess as well.
I went down there a few times and was struck by all the young people who were mixed in with the aging perpetually aggrieved.
Saw a few,who probably camped out in Tompkins Square Park in the 80s
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A relatively high percentage of participants were foreign born
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Terry B. wrote:A relatively high percentage of participants were foreign born

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