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I didn't read the thread but why are you buying a smart car?

seeahill wrote: You want me to drive an obsolete car and be the laughing stock of Montana?

Don't worry about being a laughing stock-- unless you run into someone who has read one of your books.

Andy79 wrote:Seenoforest. Factor in that hty're being made in China now.. Wait and see how consumer rreports stack up.

They're made in Detroit.

The ones you're talking about are made in China now.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079 ... d-in-china

seeahill wrote:

Andy79 wrote:Seenoforest. Factor in that hty're being made in China now.. Wait and see how consumer rreports stack up.

They're made in Detroit.

That's even worse.

Andy79 wrote:The ones you're talking about are made in China now.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079 ... d-in-china

I get it. You're quoting Mitt Romney to show show have a sense of humor.

Have you tried contacting your current lease provider and asking what it would take to extend the current lease another 5-6 months? That way you're not buying any of the first batch of vehicles, and you can be a little more choosy.

If you are able to wait a bit, you could get the upcoming 3.0L diesel which offers better mileage. Which engine are you looking at, the 3.6L or the 5.7?

seeahill wrote:

Andy79 wrote:The ones you're talking about are made in China now.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079 ... d-in-china

I get it. You're quoting Mitt Romney to show show have a sense of humor.

Why not just go direct ly to chinkaland and buy one of their brand? They'll be more reliable than the American brands they build like the Grand Cherokee.

Andy79 wrote:

seeahill wrote:

Andy79 wrote:The ones you're talking about are made in China now.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079 ... d-in-china

I get it. You're quoting Mitt Romney to show show have a sense of humor.

Why not just go direct ly to chinkaland and buy one of their brand? They'll be more reliable than the American brands they build like the Grand Cherokee.

The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Pinky wrote:

seeahill wrote:

Andy79 wrote:Seenoforest. Factor in that hty're being made in China now.. Wait and see how consumer rreports stack up.

They're made in Detroit.

That's even worse.

Hey now-- it's halftime in America.

You smart car negotiator guys were right. You want to order a car before it's even shipped, ain't nobody giving no deals.

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

seeahill wrote:

Andy79 wrote:

seeahill wrote:

Andy79 wrote:The ones you're talking about are made in China now.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079 ... d-in-china

I get it. You're quoting Mitt Romney to show show have a sense of humor.

Why not just go direct ly to chinkaland and buy one of their brand? They'll be more reliable than the American brands they build like the Grand Cherokee.

The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

That would be a far better selection.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

I'm sure that our higher corporate tax rate has nothing to do with that.

J-cubed, after much gnashing of teeth, I was going to go with the 8. All my miles are hwy miles, so I might get 21 mph. Instead of 25 on the 6. Still, I never heard a man say, "gee, I wish I'd gotten the smaller engine."

Terry B., no, I need off-road capabilities....

Spells, that's the point....

Thanks all. I did extend my lease. And will wait, though my fall back was always the Subaru, and they are offering deals and .009% financing....

Turdacious wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

I'm sure that our higher corporate tax rate has nothing to do with that.

Correct, nothing. Sourcing parts and having labor done here saves Japanese companies $$$.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

I'm sure that our higher corporate tax rate has nothing to do with that.

Correct, nothing. Sourcing parts and having labor done here saves Japanese companies $$$.

Cost is one thing. Cost allocation for tax purposes and to deal with political pressure is another.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

No, it counts toward our GDP, but Japan's GNP.

Pinky wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

No, it counts toward our GDP, but Japan's GNP.

Oops, that's right.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Pinky wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

seeahill wrote:The most "American" made car --- the one that uses the most domestically made components and is assembled in the US --- is...

The Toyota Camry.

Irrelevant. Counts towards Japan's GDP.

No, it counts toward our GDP, but Japan's GNP.

Oops, that's right.

It doesn't really matter. No one buying a car should think about such things.

seeahill wrote:J-cubed, after much gnashing of teeth, I was going to go with the 8. All my miles are hwy miles, so I might get 21 mph. Instead of 25 on the 6. Still, I never heard a man say, "gee, I wish I'd gotten the smaller engine."

I see, you can't go wrong with a bigger engine.

That new 3.6 is Chrysler's new go to engine, they are putting it in everything. Last July, we replaced my wife's 2002 Dodge minivan (which had the 3.3 L engine and 4 speed auto) with a 2012 with their new 3.6L engine and it comes with a 6 speed auto. The new van has about 100 more HP than the one we replaced (and the old one never really felt underpowered, at least for her driving), and after getting used to the 6 speed, she really enjoys it.

We did get a hair over 25mpg driving from Michigan to Myrtle Beach last summer with the new van, with the whole family and suitcases packed inside.

Personally, I don't think you'll go wrong either way.