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I have to admit to being a bit disappointed. I was kinda hoping it was part of Texas' secession movement, and we could go bomb the hell out of them fuckers.

Well at least we know them anti-government-aid guys wont be asking for help with that fertilizer mess, you know, they way they voted against aid for Sandy victims.

Oh wait...

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Thursday declared a disaster area and said he planned to request federal funds in response to an explosion at a fertilizer plant in Waco that may have killed as many as 15 people.

At a press conference, the governor thanked President Barack Obama for calling for offer quick action after Wednesday night’s explosion.

“Last night was truly a nighmare scenario for that community,” Perry said. “President Obama called from Air Force One as he was en route to Boston… We greatly appreciate his call, and his gracious offer of support, of course, and the quick turnaround of the emergency declaration that will be forthcoming, and his offer of prayers.”

Schlegel wrote:But out of the last say, 40 years, what percentage of terror attacks or attempted attacks were domestic anti-government actors? I think you have to go all the way back to the 70's to get any significant number. And if you do that, then it's pretty much leftists and anarchists.

I think you're forgetting McVeigh?

Thud wrote:I have to admit to being a bit disappointed. I was kinda hoping it was part of Texas' secession movement, and we could go bomb the hell out of them fuckers.

Well at least we know them anti-government-aid guys wont be asking for help with that fertilizer mess, you know, they way they voted against aid for Sandy victims.

Oh wait...

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Thursday declared a disaster area and said he planned to request federal funds in response to an explosion at a fertilizer plant in Waco that may have killed as many as 15 people.

At a press conference, the governor thanked President Barack Obama for calling for offer quick action after Wednesday night’s explosion.

“Last night was truly a nighmare scenario for that community,” Perry said. “President Obama called from Air Force One as he was en route to Boston… We greatly appreciate his call, and his gracious offer of support, of course, and the quick turnaround of the emergency declaration that will be forthcoming, and his offer of prayers.”

http://www.beginningfarmers.org/goat-farming/

We get it Trd, your intimacy with farm animals and men in robes is well documented.

It's not very good at s@ckpuppets.

Well, well, well; a pair of Domestic Muslim terrorist sympathizers, with maybe (big maybe) international jihadist terror cell help.

Thud and the Loony left hardest hit.

Will the media be flooded with Islamic leaders denouncing the actions of these terrorists?

If the two undercover white guys were there in a counter-terrorism role they didn't exactly win big that day.

WildGorillaMan wrote:If the two undercover white guys were there in a counter-terrorism role they didn't exactly win big that day.

After the second immigrant brother with no criminal background is killed, the case will be closed, m8.

Looks like the fact they're immigrants is going to be used to beat down immigration reform. Greeaaaat.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Schlegel wrote:But out of the last say, 40 years, what percentage of terror attacks or attempted attacks were domestic anti-government actors? I think you have to go all the way back to the 70's to get any significant number. And if you do that, then it's pretty much leftists and anarchists.

I think you're forgetting McVeigh?

I think he's saying that if you look at the last 40 or so years of terror attacks/attempted attacks, they are few and far between (though a large number of people were killed, OKC was one instance). You have to go back to the 70s to get a relatively large number and that the perps then, tended to be leftists/anarchists.

That's how I read it at least and don't know enough of the history back then to know if it's a valid statement.

EDIT: For example, as my reading of it was OKC would count as 1 data point while FALN would count as 120 (according to wiki).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_Ar ... que%C3%B1a

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Schlegel wrote:But out of the last say, 40 years, what percentage of terror attacks or attempted attacks were domestic anti-government actors? I think you have to go all the way back to the 70's to get any significant number. And if you do that, then it's pretty much leftists and anarchists.

I think you're forgetting McVeigh?

Nope, not forgotten. That's one in the domestic column. Others?

WildGorillaMan wrote:If the two undercover white guys were there in a counter-terrorism role they didn't exactly win big that day.

I, and probably everyone else on the internet, suspected those two guys were LEO.

Someone needs to teach the Boston PD how to blend in. It was almost comical how fucking bad they stuck out.

The coordinating of clothing was particularly funny.

"Hey dude, are you wearing your kaki pants and black jacket tomorrow? Remember your wrap around sun glasses. I'm going to wear my badass punisher ball cap. I wish the Captain would let us grow SF war beards. That would be so fucking cool and tactical"

Schlegel wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Schlegel wrote:But out of the last say, 40 years, what percentage of terror attacks or attempted attacks were domestic anti-government actors? I think you have to go all the way back to the 70's to get any significant number. And if you do that, then it's pretty much leftists and anarchists.

I think you're forgetting McVeigh?

Nope, not forgotten. That's one in the domestic column. Others?

You're talking about the U.S., right? Outside of major attacks, it's difficult to categorize people clearly as terrorists vs. criminals. Before the 1992 WTC attack, it wasn't uncommon to hear people say "there's never been a terrorist attack on American soil." That was something Europe and the M.E. had to deal with.

Outside of OKC, WTC, & 9/11, what are you considering terrorism?

LOL good points.

So, just speculating, but it looks like some law enforcement agency had some knowledge something was happening, but didn't know who was involved. So they were at the marathon, and even close to the bomb location, but missed it? Or, they aren't LEO at all and more people are involved besides the two brothers.

When I saw the pictures of the two guys I figured they were the typical gun board enthusiasts who buy anything and everything tactical in the hopes people will assume they are some kind of spec ops guy.

protobuilder wrote:LOL good points.

So, just speculating, but it looks like some law enforcement agency had some knowledge something was happening, but didn't know who was involved. So they were at the marathon, and even close to the bomb location, but missed it? Or, they aren't LEO at all and more people are involved besides the two brothers.

Why is it suspicious that there were [what appears to be] unmarked LEO/security personnel near the most congregated area of one of the world's most prestigious sporting events?

The man in black wrote:When I saw the pictures of the two guys I figured they were the typical gun board enthusiasts who buy anything and everything tactical in the hopes people will assume they are some kind of spec ops guy.

Gun boards are riddled with LEO. Want to have a good flame war? Post something along the lines of the "Officer Friendly" thread on a gunboard and watch the feathers fly.

kreator wrote:

protobuilder wrote:LOL good points.

So, just speculating, but it looks like some law enforcement agency had some knowledge something was happening, but didn't know who was involved. So they were at the marathon, and even close to the bomb location, but missed it? Or, they aren't LEO at all and more people are involved besides the two brothers.

Why is it suspicious that there were [what appears to be] unmarked LEO/security personnel near the most congregated area of one of the world's most prestigious sporting events?

I didn't say, nor do I care, if it's "suspicious" or not. I'm curious if LEO had some tips that something was going down or if the bombing caught them completely off guard. That matters because if we are completely clueless about plots against us, whether it's two brothers or an entire network of foreign terrorists planning something big, it is some cause for concern.

protobuilder wrote:

kreator wrote:

protobuilder wrote:LOL good points.

So, just speculating, but it looks like some law enforcement agency had some knowledge something was happening, but didn't know who was involved. So they were at the marathon, and even close to the bomb location, but missed it? Or, they aren't LEO at all and more people are involved besides the two brothers.

Why is it suspicious that there were [what appears to be] unmarked LEO/security personnel near the most congregated area of one of the world's most prestigious sporting events?

I didn't say, nor do I care, if it's "suspicious" or not. I'm curious if LEO had some tips that something was going down or if the bombing caught them completely off guard. That matters because if we are completely clueless about plots against us, whether it's two brothers or an entire network of foreign terrorists planning something big, it is some cause for concern.

True, that we do need to know.

There are reports that right before the bombing there were calls over loudspeakers for people to remain calm. No idea how reliable that info is but raises some questions.


Then again I've been reading InfoWars and they made total fools out of themselves so far.

Are abortion clinic bombings/Eric Rudolph/Atlanta '96/Unabomber/ricin/anthrax/etc. not counted in the domestic terrorism column?

On incidents alone, it would appear that there have been more domestic terror incidents in the US proper than Mohammedan even if you leave it to only the last 20 years.

milosz wrote:Are abortion clinic bombings/Eric Rudolph/Atlanta '96/Unabomber/ricin/anthrax/etc. not counted in the domestic terrorism column?

On incidents alone, it would appear that there have been more domestic terror incidents in the US proper than Mohammedan even if you leave it to only the last 20 years.

As far as I'm concerned, yes. So do the Unabomber, variations on Aryan Nation/KKK, Weather Underground, etc.

Question is this: Are we talking bombings only? If not then Black Liberation Army and Earth Liberation Front, for example, might come into play.

Freki wrote:

milosz wrote:Are abortion clinic bombings/Eric Rudolph/Atlanta '96/Unabomber/ricin/anthrax/etc. not counted in the domestic terrorism column?

On incidents alone, it would appear that there have been more domestic terror incidents in the US proper than Mohammedan even if you leave it to only the last 20 years.

As far as I'm concerned, yes. So do the Unabomber, variations on Aryan Nation/KKK, Weather Underground, etc.

Question is this: Are we talking bombings only? If not then Black Liberation Army and Earth Liberation Front, for example, might come into play.

ELF did bombings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre_Arrow

IMO it's ineffective to categorize all terrorists together. I doubt the FBI does. Terrorists who represent existential threats and/or have significant international support (Al Qaeda, ETA, Red Brigade, FARC, Black September, etc...) should be treated differently.

This is a good man.

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/colum ... moment.ece

Did j just hear the news right that they took the dead one to a hebe hospital?