Fallen Warrior Haka

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 14, 2013 2:10 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM[/youtube]

Haka is part of Polynesian culture, something like a war dance.

johno · Post by **johno** » Tue May 14, 2013 3:39 am

To put a finer point on it, the Haka is a traditional New Zealand Maori battle chant. The NZ All Blacks rugby team has adopted a Haka as a pregame ritual, making the Haka known in the sports world.

One of my Bro in laws is Maori, and before a family falling out, a Haka was always part of the evenings festivities, sometimes performed by a Maori, other times by a white Kiwi.

I didn't know there was a Fallen Warrior Haka, I always thought of it as a challenge & call to action.

Cave Canem · Post by **Cave Canem** » Tue May 14, 2013 3:46 am

Sorry but the white folks in the group ruin the aesthetics......the sniper leading the procession is a cool touch though.

Croatoa · Post by **Croatoa** » Tue May 14, 2013 3:56 am

Second year in college there was a Maori guy in my program, nice guy, soft spoken.

He came out drinking with us one night and got into it with some dune coon at the bar. So everyone goes outside. Buddy takes his shirt off and busts right into a full fledged haka.

Even in my inebriated state I can still remember the look in his eyes as he pulled his thumb across his neck with his tongue hanging out. When it was all done, the other dude actually pussed out and ran away.

johno · Post by **johno** » Tue May 14, 2013 4:08 am

Cave Canem wrote:Sorry but the white folks in the group ruin the aesthetics......the sniper leading the procession is a cool touch though.

They were his Brothers.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Tue May 14, 2013 4:24 am

Fat Cat wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM[/youtube]

Haka is part of Polynesian culture, something like a war dance.

That was intense.

You can feel the love, honour and respect in that.

It choked me a bit.

Imagine being there and seeing that, how it would feel.

Imagine being one of them, and how it must feel.

If the Maori blooded troops had no problem with the white guys being in it, then the fuck what we think.

That shows me that when you are bothers in arms, fucking skin colour is bullshit. New Zealand is a Maori homeland but the whites have blood in the soils and the soil in there blood.

Maybe we could learn from these men.

Thanks for posting.

Powerfull

We need a salute and/or bowing emocon.

baffled · Post by **baffled** » Tue May 14, 2013 5:41 am

Cool post FC.

All the Polynesians do something similar. Tonga's is Kailao, I think. Sipi Tau is pretty aggressive.

I'm pretty rusty on this, but I think they all tell a story of some sort, right?

My first rugby game was in a tournament against a bunch of FOTB tongans who danced, screamed, then proceeded to absolutely crush us. I threw up at halftime.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 14, 2013 6:30 am

Cave Canem wrote:Sorry but the white folks in the group ruin the aesthetics......

Speaking as a white folk from Polynesia, that is an ignorant and racist attitude. Do Maori ruin their aesthetics when they wear pants or speak English? One of the main challenges facing wider dissemination of Polynesian culture is this type of attitude.

Thatcher II · Post by **Thatcher II** » Tue May 14, 2013 10:15 am

Invasion by Taranaki Māori

Taranaki Māori living at Port Nicolson (modern Wellington) had been meeting for some time to decide on a place to invade. A mass invasion of Samoa or Norfolk Island was considered at a meeting in early 1835 but an invasion of the Chathams was decided on as it was so close and the invaders had details of the Moriori pacifist attitudes from Māori who had visited and returned to New Zealand. In 1835 some Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama people, Māori from the Taranaki region of the North Island of New Zealand, but living in Wellington, invaded the Chathams. On 19 November 1835, the brig Lord Rodney, a hijacked[10] European ship, arrived carrying 500 Māori armed with guns, clubs and axes, and loaded with 78 tonnes of seed potatoes, followed by another ship with 400 more Māori on 5 December 1835. While the second shipment of invaders were waiting, the invaders killed a 12 year old girl and hung her flesh on posts.[11] They proceeded to enslave some Moriori and kill and cannibalise others. "Parties of warriors armed with muskets, clubs and tomahawks, led by their chiefs, walked through Moriori tribal territories and settlements without warning, permission or greeting. If the districts were wanted by the invaders, they curtly informed the inhabitants that their land had been taken and the Moriori living there were now vassals."[12]

A council/hui of Moriori elders was convened at the settlement called Te Awapatiki. Despite knowing of the Māori predilection for killing and eating the conquered, and despite the admonition by some of the elder chiefs that the principle of Nunuku was not appropriate now, two chiefs — Tapata and Torea — declared that "the law of Nunuku was not a strategy for survival, to be varied as conditions changed; it was a moral imperative."[13] A Moriori survivor recalled : "[The Maori] commenced to kill us like sheep.... [We] were terrified, fled to the bush, concealed ourselves in holes underground, and in any place to escape our enemies. It was of no avail; we were discovered and killed - men, women and children indiscriminately." A Māori conqueror explained, "We took possession... in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped....." [14] The invaders ritually killed some 10% of the population, a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days. The Māori invaders forbade the speaking of the Moriori language. They forced Moriori to desecrate their sacred sites by urinating and defecating on them. Moiriori wished they had been colonized by the English and had the protection of the Treaty of Waitangi.[15]

After the invasion, Moriori were forbidden to marry Moriori, or to have children with each other. All became slaves of the Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga invaders. Many Moriori women had children by their Māori masters. A small number of Moriori women eventually married either Māori or European men. Some were taken from the Chathams and never returned. In 1842 a small party of Māori and their Moriori slaves migrated to the subantarctic Auckland Islands, surviving for some 20 years on sealing and flax growing.[16] Only 101 Moriori out of a population of about 2,000 were left alive by 1862 (Kopel et al., 2003). Although the last Moriori of unmixed ancestry, Tommy Solomon,[17] died in 1933 there are several thousand mixed ancestry Moriori alive today.

Lovely people, the Maori. Bunch of aggressive fucks trying to push the line that their "culture" is amazing. Actually it was blood thirsty and callous and they're mostly arrogant fuckers even today. The whole haka bullshit is old. Been watching it for too long. Impressive? Unfair in a rugby context. An the total lack of any shame or acknowledgment of a violent last which saw tribe eat tribe up to very recent times is laughable. Even the All Black haka is controversial because it's one tribe's dance which offends others but the Tourist Board have glossed over it all.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Tue May 14, 2013 1:10 pm

sorta like what the white man did in the new world

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Tue May 14, 2013 1:44 pm

DARTH wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM[/youtube]

Haka is part of Polynesian culture, something like a war dance.
That was intense.

You can feel the love, honour and respect in that.

It choked me a bit.

Imagine being there and seeing that, how it would feel.

Imagine being one of them, and how it must feel.

If the Maori blooded troops had no problem with the white guys being in it, then the fuck what we think.

That shows me that when you are bothers in arms, fucking skin colour is bullshit. New Zealand is a Maori homeland but the whites have blood in the soils and the soil in there blood.

Maybe we could learn from these men.

Thanks for posting.

Powerfull

We need a salute and/or bowing emocon.

+1.

Overwhelmed by it, and I have buried a lot of brothers.

Gin Master · Post by **Gin Master** » Tue May 14, 2013 4:03 pm

DARTH wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM[/youtube]

Haka is part of Polynesian culture, something like a war dance.
That was intense.

You can feel the love, honour and respect in that.

It choked me a bit.

Imagine being there and seeing that, how it would feel.

Imagine being one of them, and how it must feel.

If the Maori blooded troops had no problem with the white guys being in it, then the fuck what we think.

That shows me that when you are bothers in arms, fucking skin colour is bullshit. New Zealand is a Maori homeland but the whites have blood in the soils and the soil in there blood.

Maybe we could learn from these men.

Thanks for posting.

Powerfull

We need a salute and/or bowing emocon.

Bloody remarkable sendoff.

Cave Canem · Post by **Cave Canem** » Tue May 14, 2013 5:36 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Cave Canem wrote:Sorry but the white folks in the group ruin the aesthetics......
Speaking as a white folk from Polynesia, that is an ignorant and racist attitude. Do Maori ruin their aesthetics when they wear pants or speak English? One of the main challenges facing wider dissemination of Polynesian culture is this type of attitude.

Seriously? This is one of the main challenges facing dissemination of Polynesian culture? I didn't know dissemination of Polynesian culture was even a problem, considering the hipsters walking around Brooklyn with Maori tattoos.

I admit to cultural bias but in every Haka I've seen performed either at ceremonies like the one above or at sporting events, the white guys just look out of place and in some cases uncomfortable. Maybe it's a rhythm thing. I've yet to see groups of Polynesians wearing kilts with bagpipes doing "Minstrel Boy" so I don't know if my bias flows both ways. But I'll let you know if I ever do.

I appreciate and honor the sentiment in the send off and wish we had something similar to honor our own fallen comrades and military culture that adds to and maybe goes beyond a folded flag and a lonely, somber sounding of TAPS. But it would have the politically correct squirming in their panties if we actually celebrated and elevated our warriors.

Can you imagine the blowback here if we had a funeral procession led by an armed sniper in a ghillie suit?

Count Truculent · Post by **Count Truculent** » Tue May 14, 2013 5:59 pm

I'm a white NZer, and I've performed Hakas numerous times with my school, sports teams etc. Yes, the brown fellas do it with more rhythm and panache, but if you're part of the tribe (school, team, unit, etc), then you're allowed to Haka it up with the rest of them.

And Gorbachev, you butt hurt pom, the maori are a warrior culture, but the English are worse. In fact, almost the worst. A Haka is the equivalent of the St Crispin's Day speech. Perhaps in the next NZ vs England rugby test, after the Haka, someone from the England team could respond by reciting some Shakespeare, or some other queer equivalent.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 14, 2013 6:17 pm

Cave Canem wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:
Cave Canem wrote:Sorry but the white folks in the group ruin the aesthetics......
Speaking as a white folk from Polynesia, that is an ignorant and racist attitude. Do Maori ruin their aesthetics when they wear pants or speak English? One of the main challenges facing wider dissemination of Polynesian culture is this type of attitude.
Seriously? This is one of the main challenges facing dissemination of Polynesian culture? I didn't know dissemination of Polynesian culture was even a problem, considering the hipsters walking around Brooklyn with Maori tattoos.

I admit to cultural bias but in every Haka I've seen performed either at ceremonies like the one above or at sporting events, the white guys just look out of place and in some cases uncomfortable. Maybe it's a rhythm thing. I've yet to see groups of Polynesians wearing kilts with bagpipes doing "Minstrel Boy" so I don't know if my bias flows both ways. But I'll let you know if I ever do.

Yes, Polynesian cultures have a lot more than haka and tourist getaways to offer, and the idea that you can only appreciate it or do it if you are Polynesian is incredibly stupid. Surfing was invented by Hawaiians, but Kelly Slater or Gerry Lopez do't look stupid doing it. If more people felt comfortable experiencing what Tongan, Samoan, Maori, Hawaiian, Marquesan, etc. culture has to offer the world would be better for it.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 14, 2013 7:01 pm

White person looking awkward imitating the natives at Tehuapoo, Tahiti today.

IGX

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