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syaigh wrote: Its much like the great white whale.

Hehe

syaigh wrote:There are no links I'm afraid. The damn thing doesn't really exist. Its much like the great white whale, only alive in the minds of those who would hunt it. But a fine metaphor for those finding enlightenment in the absurd.

On a different note, I've had to research fibromyalgia recently for a client. Found a few things that are very interesting. For years, a lot of docs thought it was a psychological condition. Mainly because it is treated with antidepressants. But, it does seem to be a dysfunction of the nervous system in that the nervous system signals that pain is present, most likely from chemical imbalances that either cause or are the result of major depressive disorder. Thing is, exercise and strength training have been shown to mitigate the pain symptoms.

Interesting you say that. It seems my mom's primary doc is more in tune with this than the Rheumatologist (sp?) seemed to be.

When she is better about going for walks and doing a simple daily dozen type of mobility routine, she does seem to be a lot better.

She lost a lot of weight by cutting a lot of processed stuff out and seems to do better when she sticks to that. Not quite paleo, but not standard American diet, either.

Ed Zachary wrote:

syaigh wrote: Its much like the great white whale.

Hehe

Avast...I see whale sign off the Port Bow!!!!

oh dear . . . .

Well that's a close facsimile.

Ed Zachary wrote:Well that's a close facsimile.

totally booty doppelganger.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
totally booty doppelganger.

Oh yes

Ed Zachary wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
totally booty doppelganger.

Oh yes

The Panda is creeping me out a little.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
The Panda is creeping me out a little.

Panda?

Ed Zachary wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
The Panda is creeping me out a little.

Panda?

Must be sunspots from staring...all blurry now.

i went right for my speargun at the sight of that mighty beast

baffled wrote:

syaigh wrote:There are no links I'm afraid. The damn thing doesn't really exist. Its much like the great white whale, only alive in the minds of those who would hunt it. But a fine metaphor for those finding enlightenment in the absurd.

On a different note, I've had to research fibromyalgia recently for a client. Found a few things that are very interesting. For years, a lot of docs thought it was a psychological condition. Mainly because it is treated with antidepressants. But, it does seem to be a dysfunction of the nervous system in that the nervous system signals that pain is present, most likely from chemical imbalances that either cause or are the result of major depressive disorder. Thing is, exercise and strength training have been shown to mitigate the pain symptoms.

Interesting you say that. It seems my mom's primary doc is more in tune with this than the Rheumatologist (sp?) seemed to be.

When she is better about going for walks and doing a simple daily dozen type of mobility routine, she does seem to be a lot better.

She lost a lot of weight by cutting a lot of processed stuff out and seems to do better when she sticks to that. Not quite paleo, but not standard American diet, either.

I have no doubts of either of these things-moderate exercise, be it walking, easy jogging, hiking (especially love multi-day humps off the beaten trail with the dog), lifting weights in a DeLorme or 3 sets of ten or similar ilk, mobility work, etc. all do a body good. My exceptions are to the high intensity stuff which, to my mind at least, are (very effective) short term performance enhancers for those already in good health and condition, not long term health methods. It's just beyond my imagination and comprehension that Paleo man made a regular habit of willingly pushing himself to the teetering edge of exhaustion, like he was a cheetah chasing down prey or something. If he did, then leave out the low effort stuff as the cheetah is a lazy fucker by that standard. (High intensity exercise is also, of course, highly inflammatory.) Or his daily life somehow mimic'd a strength program with max effort bear for dinner Monday, dynamic effort antelope for lunch Tuesday and sprint to catch the rabbit for breakfast Wednesday.

Blaming unrefined wheat and grains for inflammatory problems is blaming the symptom not the problem. There are more inflammatory response problems today in all forms-asthma, allergies all sorts, the types of problems you describe, and depression-than anyone is aware existed before. If what we are told is correct, people have been eating grains for some 10,000 years-and just now wheat's a cause of all this? Something else is obviously going on. And you have to look at the last 100 years, more likely the past 50 and even more accurately, the last decade or two. Sugar is finger pointed and it's probably not all that good for you but I doubt it's at the root of the inflammatory response. While I have no way to prove it, the most ubiquitous food change in these the last century has been the introduction of vegetable oils, and highly modified ones at that. I think this is why WFR works for so many-no artificial and modified oils. Cooking in general is still better, I would propose, because the body can more efficiently extract nutrients from cooked food than raw-I'm guessing this is why Paleo man did it. In an entirely unscientific, can't draw too much of a conclusion from it, what a lame idea experiment, when given a choice between cooked meat and raw, my dog goes goes for the cooked stuff. It could, of course, be all the video games she plays and TV she watches, marketing campaigns that drive her toward it, but those things, we all very well know, will eliminate society even faster than carbs for breakfast.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Syaigh, that may not be you, but it fits with what I imagined to see. So, if it's all right with you, I will use it as my visual aid when needing inspiration for the sperm whale.