Nobody has started a thread about the NSA/domestic spying?

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:11 pm

What's wrong with you liberty loving cunts??

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:25 pm

It keeps getting mysteriously deleted

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:57 pm

The niggers in charge are too stupid to make sense of it all, anyways.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:28 pm

Glenn Greenwald wrote:The way things are supposed to work is that we're supposed to know virtually everything about what they do: that's why they're called public servants. They're supposed to know virtually nothing about what we do: that's why we're called private individuals.

This dynamic - the hallmark of a healthy and free society - has been radically reversed. Now, they know everything about what we do, and are constantly building systems to know more. Meanwhile, we know less and less about what they do, as they build walls of secrecy behind which they function. That's the imbalance that needs to come to an end.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:43 pm

protobuilder wrote:What's wrong with you liberty loving cunts??

now we know why you don't click links. you're part of that prism shit, you spying mutherfucker.

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:21 pm

Obama says it's legal. Therefore it is.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:09 pm

People are getting Obama flu. They are so sick of everyday there being another case of dumbass that they just chalk it up to yeah we missed it on this clown. Maybe next time.

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:41 pm

you guys do realize these programs began under the "we need a modern day pearl harbor" and "you're either with us or against us" and "mission accomplished" administration, right?

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:14 pm

Thud wrote:you guys do realize these programs began under the "we need a modern day pearl harbor" and "you're either with us or against us" and "mission accomplished" administration, right?

Yep and the gangs led by Obama and his types took to the streets with pitch forks and machetes calling for Bush's head. Now our king and his court have expanded the program and have sold the serfs that it was a damn good idea.and they are all clamoring for a chance to give Obama head.

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:15 pm

Who's to blame:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... rts/65969/

Hover over the pie charts for break downs by party:

Patriot Act, 2001:
Dems: 36% supported, 22% opposed
Repugs: 42% supported, NONE opposed

PATRIOT Act Reauthorization, 2005
Dems: 13% supported, 39% opposed
Repugs: 46% supported, 12% opposed

FISA Amendments, 2008
Dems: 19% supported, 35% opposed
Repugs: 45% supported, 0.3% opposed

PATRIOT Act Extension, 2011
Dems: 16%, supported, 29% opposed
Repugs: 49% supported, 7% opposed

FISA Extension, 2012
Dems: 18% supported, 23% opposed
Repugs: 52% supported, 2% opposed

Seems to be a disconnect of logic and loyalty among our resident angry republicans.

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:40 pm

Nothing ever is the way it seems.

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:05 am

protobuilder wrote:What's wrong with you liberty loving cunts??

We have the constitution and a well established rule of law to protect us. There is absolutely no reason to be concerned about this.

Obama himself said so and he has given us the green light to have a serious conversation about it - whatever it is, which he really won't tell us about, but he did say that all 3 branches of gov't are involved so it must be fine and dandy.

johno · Post by **johno** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:28 pm

Thud wrote:you guys do realize these programs began under (Bush)

Let us know when Obama becomes responsible for what happens in the US Gov't. Obviously, 4 1/2 years is too soon for that.

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:30 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:
protobuilder wrote:What's wrong with you liberty loving cunts??
We have the constitution and a well established rule of law to protect us. There is absolutely no reason to be concerned about this.

Obama himself said so and he has given us the green light to have a serious conversation about it - whatever it is, which he really won't tell us about, but he did say that all 3 branches of gov't are involved so it must be fine and dandy.

Do you trust your government? As long as i keep getting all the free stuff, I trust!

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:45 pm

johno wrote:
Thud wrote:you guys do realize these programs began under (Bush)
Let us know when Obama becomes responsible for what happens in the US Gov't. Obviously, 4 1/2 years is too soon for that.

Yes, he is one powerful nigger. He singlehandedly rules all three tiers of the US government.

Interesting about the vote count though, how he has a greater stranglehold on your party than his own...

johno · Post by **johno** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:50 pm

Thud wrote:
johno wrote:
Thud wrote:you guys do realize these programs began under (Bush)
Let us know when Obama becomes responsible for what happens in the US Gov't. Obviously, 4 1/2 years is too soon for that.
Yes, he is one powerful nigger. He singlehandedly rules all three tiers of the US government.

In other words, Obama is not responsible.

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:59 pm

Steve Doocy, suddenly a legal expert of PATRIOT Act violations, said that this kind of data seizure is a violation of the Act’s section 215, which “said that you could go after people based on individual investigations,” but forbids data collection from average citizens. He went on to call it a “gigantic overreach” on the Obama administration’s part.

However, in 2006, Doocy and other Fox hosts were saying the exact opposite about NSA wiretaps.

Media Matters reported that in the wake of revelations that the NSA might be conducting wholesale data-mining on U.S. citizens, the hosts of “Fox and Friends” openly nixed the term “warrantless wiretapping” in favor of calling the spying “the terrorist surveillance program” and went out of their way to justify the practice.

On January 25, 2006, Kilmeade said, “Let’s call it the terrorist surveillance program. That would be a lot easier.”

Doocy concurred, “And more accurate.”

“Yeah, more accurate too,” Kilmeade said. “If you’re for the NSA wiretapping without going to the FISA court, I guess warrantless, then most likely you’re Republican. If you are against it, you most likely are a Democrat.”

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:05 pm

Sorry to inform you Johno, no, he does not rule all three tiers of the gubmint.

But things will be great once we get a white Texan back in the white house, then all these troublesome evolutions in defense/surveillance/technology will all disappear!

In fact, fags, abortions, drugs, globalism, terrorism, crime, global warming, and Mexicans will all be a thing of the past too.

Just wondering though, why did all these Texans (as just one red state example) vote for all these surveillance measures?

Sitting members who voted for surveillance every time:

Rep. Joe Barton (Texas, Republican) - all five times
Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas, Republican) - all five times
Rep. Michael Burgess (Texas, Republican)
Rep. John Carter (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Mike Conaway (Texas, Republican)
Sen. John Cornyn (Texas, Republican)
Rep. John Culberson (Texas, Republican) - all five times
Rep. Blake Farenthold (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Bill Flores (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Kay Granger (Texas, Republican) - all five times
Rep. Gene Green (Texas, Democratic)
Rep. Ralph Hall (Texas, Republican) - all five times
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (Texas, Democratic)
Rep. Kenny Marchant (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Michael McCaul (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Pete Olson (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Ted Poe (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Pete Sessions (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Lamar S. Smith (Texas, Republican)
Rep. Mac Thornberry (Texas, Republican) - all five times

Weren't these guys gonna secede or something?

johno · Post by **johno** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:19 pm

Thud wrote:Sorry to inform you Johno...
Oh, look! Bright, shiny Republicans from Texas!!!

Apparently, Obama the President is not responsible and Bush the former President is. Or Texas Republicans. Or....

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:29 pm

johno wrote:
Thud wrote:Sorry to inform you Johno...
Oh, look! Bright, shiny Republicans from Texas!!!
Apparently, Obama the President is not responsible and Bush the former President is. Or Texas Republicans. Or....

Responsible for what specifically, Johno? You think these surveillance issues began with this administration, or will end with this administration, or are unique to this administration? In 3 years do you think your phone, shopping, driving, internet, etc, habits will no longer be mined, depending on who's elected into office? Just how naive are you?

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:34 pm

Credit cards, highway toll passes, cell phones, land phones, browsers, GPS, domestic drones, stop light cameras, street surveillance cameras, face detection algorithms, DNA samples upon arrest, preschool photos database, etc.

None of this shit is new, nor is it going away.

The extent and ramifications of our lost privacy is a conversation worth having. Dumping it all in the lap of the boogeyman negro, not so much.

Herv100 · Post by **Herv100** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:51 pm

Obama voted for the Patriot Act in 2006. He then signed the extension for it 2011. He also voted for the FISA spy bill in 2008 after saying he would not, and in 2011 he signed to extend it for 5 years. He also, of coarse, signed the NDAA. These are 5 instances he could have done something about these measures, yet he supported them. Saying "yeah, well everybody else does it too!" is not a valid argument. In short Thud, you're a fucking dipshit and a mark.

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:08 pm

Herv100 wrote:Obama voted for the Patriot Act in 2006. He then signed the extension for it 2011. He also voted for the FISA spy bill in 2008 after saying he would not, and in 2011 he signed to extend it for 5 years. He also, of coarse, signed the NDAA. These are 5 instances he could have done something about these measures, yet he supported them. Saying "yeah, well everybody else does it too!" is not a valid argument. In short Thud, you're a fucking dipshit and a mark.

Yep, he single handled carried it through. Thanks for answering on behalf of Johno and yourself on just how naive you guys are.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:28 pm

Dear Thud,

After reviewing your posts on this thread, I have determined that you lack a rudimentary understanding of how our government works. It is not possible to pass a bill with a vote from a single Senator from Texas. Further you lack an understanding of how executive agencies work. I have no choice but to retroactively change your grade in 10th grade civics from a C- to an F.

V/r

Mr. Jones
Government Teacher
Woodrow Wilson Technical High School

Thud · Post by **Thud** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:41 pm

Just when I thought you guys couldn't get any stoopider, in walks T

rd...

IGX

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