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Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Yes, the Roderick Scott case presents an especially stickey widget

No it doesn't. Scott confronted actual criminals, then was immediately arrested and charged with 1st degree murder. It's such completely false equivalence that it makes the people who cite this example seem like particularly stupid racists.

What is an "actual criminal"? I thought we were all innocent until proven guilty in this Nerf coated country of ours.

Cervini's pals had convictions, and did not dispute that Scott found the three of them breaking into cars while drunk.

Yes, I feel you. If they were black, this would all be argued away under the umbrella of "rambunctious youth". Turns out they were white, so the little Eichmans got what they fucking deserved.

Double, meet standard.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Yes, the Roderick Scott case presents an especially stickey widget

No it doesn't. Scott confronted actual criminals, then was immediately arrested and charged with 1st degree murder. It's such completely false equivalence that it makes the people who cite this example seem like particularly stupid racists.

What is an "actual criminal"? I thought we were all innocent until proven guilty in this Nerf coated country of ours.

Cervini's pals had convictions, and did not dispute that Scott found the three of them breaking into cars while drunk.

Yes, I feel you. If they were black, this would all be argued away under the umbrella of "rambunctious youth". Turns out they were white, so the little Eichmans got what they fucking deserved.

I explained why they were criminals because you asked the question. It was pretty clearly a tragic situation. Scott, who had no criminal record (unlike Z) was also immediately arrested and charged with 1st degree murder (unlike Z), so there was no catalyst for white people to get angry about before the trial.

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:If only Zimmerman had gotten out of his truck with some cookies and milk; instead of with his glock.

Or a taser or pepper spray along with his glock, so he'd have had a way to increment things up. Like what professionals do.

But those aren't cool and sex-ay.

Yeah, not sexy, not cool, and abosultely stupid. Perfect way to get your ass killed or hauled into court to answer idiot questions.

You live in a fantasy world. There was no esculation; things went from 0 to 100mph. Trayvon skipped steps 1,2,& 3 and proceeded with an ass whooping. When someone is on top of you, bashing your head into the pavement and you can't stop them; you shoot them. No fucking half measures or winging them. You shoot them center mass and end it. You come at me, and I believe you mean me serious harm or death, you better be willing to die.

I have the right to defend myself with deadly force. If I feel I'm in danger of serious bodily harm or death, I don't have to follow your knuckle headed ideas of esculation. I have the right to defend myself with deadly force; period. Nor do I have to announce to the world that I'm armed to the teeth when in public; with a belt with three different esculating (Nafod approved) devices.

You can carry all pepper spray and a tasers you want. As for me, I'll continue to conceal carry w/ a handgun, staying under the public radar, and minding my own business.

Minding your own fucking business is where you should have gone. Unless you or someone else is in immediate danger, call the fucking police and let them handle it. Don't act like a thug, don't hang out with thugs, avoid areas thugs like hang out in, and if at all possible let the police handle it. That way you can avoid shooting dumbass thugs dead; or tasing them and having them crack their heads open on the pavement and then suing you; or pepper spraying them and just enraging them; or getting hauled into court to answer asinine questions on what is appropriate esculation.

If Zimmerman had sat his fat ass in the truck and waited for the police, nothing would have happened. On the flip side, if Trayvon had not acted like a thug, all that would have happened is that he would have answered a few police questions.

Well, I know that people should expect no less than 100% consistency between jurisdictions that are 10 states apart, but it still stands that the schwoogie was found not guilty. The popular narrative out there amongst the "party late on Sunday, sleep late on Monday" crowd is that someone like Scott would have been taken out and shot on a ditch bank by whitey.

Didn't turn out that way.

Bottom line, people will select the data points that support their generalizations. In this case, they seem to be hanging their hat on ONE.

Actually, give it another two weeks, and all this will be forgotten. Trayvon made out pretty good...not everybody gets to become a t-shirt. He's the Che Gueverra of niggers.

I didn't watch the case. Was there evidence that said Trayvon was not acting out of self-defense?

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:If only Zimmerman had gotten out of his truck with some cookies and milk; instead of with his glock.

Or a taser or pepper spray along with his glock, so he'd have had a way to increment things up. Like what professionals do.

But those aren't cool and sex-ay.

Yeah, not sexy, not cool, and abosultely stupid. Perfect way to get your ass killed or hauled into court to answer idiot questions.

You live in a fantasy world. There was no esculation; things went from 0 to 100mph....

Are you kidding me? The whole thing was one long steady escalation. The moment he stepped out of the car it went up. Then stalking. Actually approaching & talking. Must have been a good conversation because it was followed by separating and then re-engaging from the "thug". My spidey sense would be tingling at that moment. Probably a bit more smack-talk. And only then your 0...100 mph beatdown and shooting followed by a dead kid.

Trayvon looked at Zimmerman and said "I can beat the shit out of this creepy-ass cracker that I now hate who is stalking me" and proceeded to enjoy doing so for the remainder of his life. Think he would have done so if Zimmerman had been carrying in a holster on the side? Maybe he was, I don't know. I haven't followed the case that closely. I bet a face full of pepper spray followed by blindness and gallons of snot pouring out his face would have slowed Trayvon down a bit.

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:If only Zimmerman had gotten out of his truck with some cookies and milk; instead of with his glock.

Or a taser or pepper spray along with his glock, so he'd have had a way to increment things up. Like what professionals do.

But those aren't cool and sex-ay.

Yeah, not sexy, not cool, and abosultely stupid. Perfect way to get your ass killed or hauled into court to answer idiot questions.

You live in a fantasy world. There was no esculation; things went from 0 to 100mph....

Are you kidding me? The whole thing was one long steady escalation. The moment he stepped out of the car it went up. Then stalking. Actually approaching & talking. Must have been a good conversation because it was followed by separating and then re-engaging from the "thug". My spidey sense would be tingling at that moment. Probably a bit more smack-talk. And only then your 0...100 mph beatdown and shooting followed by a dead kid.

Trayvon looked at Zimmerman and said "I can beat the shit out of this creepy-ass cracker that I now hate who is stalking me" and proceeded to enjoy doing so for the remainder of his life. Think he would have done so if Zimmerman had been carrying in a holster on the side? Maybe he was, I don't know. I haven't followed the case that closely. I bet a face full of pepper spray followed by blindness and gallons of snot pouring out his face would have slowed Trayvon down a bit.

All conjecture, I'll stick with evidence presented in court. Zimmerman was attacked by surprise. That is called 0 to 100.

Zimmerman, you, me are not required to carry pepper spray, tasers, Yellow warning card etc when carrying a hand gun. If anything, carrying three differenet devices is not only stupid, it also opens you up to all sorts of legal bullshit. Asshat attorneys and bureaucrats asking why didn't you use the pepper spray instead on the taser etc etc.

A better arguement is that if we had nation wide open carry and people actually open carried handguns, tasers, pepper etc in the open. People would be more polite and less likely to assault one another, i.e. the Heinlien "An armed society, Is a polite society" argument.

That seems to be the case with the whole BLACK MAN IS GOD, ghetto assed, thug swagger culture in the Afferkan-Amurkan community. Black man got done up by another black man = 'nother day in da hood cuz it hard up in here and dat how we live. Black attacker gets gunned down by legal CC license owner = AWWW FUCK NAW DIS JIM CROW UP IN HERE.

Emotional hypocrites the lot of them. Small wonder they excel at little outside their genetic wheelhouse of tap dancing, singing, running, and jumping.

I went back and read the story Spellz linked to on the OP of the thread. First paragraphs...

The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

Oh well

Kazuya Mishima wrote:That seems to be the case with the whole BLACK MAN IS GOD, ghetto assed, thug swagger culture in the Afferkan-Amurkan community. Black man got done up by another black man = 'nother day in da hood cuz it hard up in here and dat how we live. Black attacker gets gunned down by legal CC license owner = AWWW FUCK NAW DIS JIM CROW UP IN HERE.

Emotional hypocrites the lot of them. Small wonder they excel at little outside their genetic wheelhouse of tap dancing, singing, running, and jumping.

Well, I'm sure the media is manipulating you just as much as you feel they are manipulating the black community.

Funny thing is, I don't really know anyone like the ones you describe above. Not saying they don't exist, I just don't interact with any. I coach a team with over 200 minority kids, most of them black, and they are a great group of kids with wonderful supportive families. A good number of them getting college scholarships, not for sports, but for academics. Polite, respectful, etc.

Just another side of the coin. I feel I'm blessed to work with the coaches I work with, and the majority of them are men, all of them are black.

Just a little more back story.

My elementary school was 70% black. My middle school was 50% black. I had black roommates in college and lived in DC (not the rich white parts) for 5 years while in graduate school.

I also grew up near a white trailer park. My dad forbade me to ride my bike anywhere near it even though my kindergarten babysitter lived there. Lots of beating and rape stories came out of there. and the white trash always-in-and-out-of-jail family that lived two doors down. Watched one of the family matriarchs beat the shit out of one of the young men one night from my neighbor's window. We weren't sure if he was dead or not, but sure as hell deserved it.

I've seen some ugly behavior, but no more ugly than I've seen from other races. I really don't see a difference.

If I judge a person to be a threat, its because they are acting in a threatening manner. We ALL know what that looks like. Its like porn, can't always describe it, but I know it when I see it.

syaigh wrote:Well, I'm sure the media is manipulating you just as much as you feel they are manipulating the black community.

If by that you mean "the media is pissing Kaz off" then yes...yes, you are quite correct.

As for your wealth of experience within the realm of niggerdom, you are no more uniquely qualified to speak on the subject than I am as I have paid my dues by suffering through my upbringing surrounded by their lovely asses. I wish I could say that I was sympathetic toward their experience, or even for a moment entertain the well-worn idea that they are "just like us". Been down that road more than a few times, and am always whipsawed back to reality when the seemingly best among their ilk falls back into some type of stereotype affirming behavior and general monkeyshines. I appreciate you spending some of your free time coaching and mentoring these folks..."parenting" means entirely two different things in the black and white communities, and these young folk are most often saddled with an absent father and an emotionally distressed mother. Just be advised, that none of this samaritanship on your part will catch much mileage with their community should you be forced to take out your PF9 and chest ventilate one of their fine young sprogs to keep him from robbing or raping you.

As for me, I wish I had more time to spend with my own kids, but whatever...different priorities.

Despite the lengthy diatribe otherwise, there is nothing at all wrong with Black people, or "any people."

Anyone who says different is either a liar or living a sad life.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:

syaigh wrote:Well, I'm sure the media is manipulating you just as much as you feel they are manipulating the black community.

If by that you mean "the media is pissing Kaz off" then yes...yes, you are quite correct.

As for your wealth of experience within the realm of niggerdom, you are no more uniquely qualified to speak on the subject than I am as I have paid my dues by suffering through my upbringing surrounded by their lovely asses. I wish I could say that I was sympathetic toward their experience, or even for a moment entertain the well-worn idea that they are "just like us". Been down that road more than a few times, and am always whipsawed back to reality when the seemingly best among their ilk falls back into some type of stereotype affirming behavior and general monkeyshines. I appreciate you spending some of your free time coaching and mentoring these folks..."parenting" means entirely two different things in the black and white communities, and these young folk are most often saddled with an absent father and an emotionally distressed mother. Just be advised, that none of this samaritanship on your part will catch much mileage with their community should you be forced to take out your PF9 and chest ventilate one of their fine young sprogs to keep him from robbing or raping you.

As for me, I wish I had more time to spend with my own kids, but whatever...different priorities.

I don't expect any of my good deeds to count when amongst those-who-do-not-care. That's why I avoid them at all costs. But, I don't find them to be uniquely recognizeable by the color of their skin.

I know you have your reasons to feel the way you do. So do I. I'm just saying, I don't give white people any sort of pass on not-being-a-dangerous-asshole. If a person threatens me or my family, its an equal opportunity venture.

I just don't think throwing around ugly words really makes a damn bit of difference.

syaigh wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:

syaigh wrote:Well, I'm sure the media is manipulating you just as much as you feel they are manipulating the black community.

If by that you mean "the media is pissing Kaz off" then yes...yes, you are quite correct.

As for your wealth of experience within the realm of niggerdom, you are no more uniquely qualified to speak on the subject than I am as I have paid my dues by suffering through my upbringing surrounded by their lovely asses. I wish I could say that I was sympathetic toward their experience, or even for a moment entertain the well-worn idea that they are "just like us". Been down that road more than a few times, and am always whipsawed back to reality when the seemingly best among their ilk falls back into some type of stereotype affirming behavior and general monkeyshines. I appreciate you spending some of your free time coaching and mentoring these folks..."parenting" means entirely two different things in the black and white communities, and these young folk are most often saddled with an absent father and an emotionally distressed mother. Just be advised, that none of this samaritanship on your part will catch much mileage with their community should you be forced to take out your PF9 and chest ventilate one of their fine young sprogs to keep him from robbing or raping you.

As for me, I wish I had more time to spend with my own kids, but whatever...different priorities.

I don't expect any of my good deeds to count when amongst those-who-do-not-care. That's why I avoid them at all costs. But, I don't find them to be uniquely recognizeable by the color of their skin.

I know you have your reasons to feel the way you do. So do I. I'm just saying, I don't give white people any sort of pass on not-being-a-dangerous-asshole. If a person threatens me or my family, its an equal opportunity venture.

I just don't think throwing around ugly words really makes a damn bit of difference.

You do to have to justify the good you do. There is nothing wrong with taking your time and being a role model to children. It is a noble thing and appreciated by those you help.

Even though it passes for the highest form of social commentary here, the idea that there are some "bad" people is not particularly insightful, and just because some people are dangerous does not mean all are or that we ourselves should judge all by the actions of a few.

Double Post

theAbstract wrote:Despite the lengthy diatribe otherwise, there is nothing at all wrong with Black people, or "any people."

Anyone who says different is either a liar or living a sad life.

Statistics and reason say otherwise. There is something wrong with black people.

The problem isn't their skin color, slavery, system wide racism or where their ancestors came from. The issue is an adherence to a culture that produces a crime rate and poverty rate way out of proportion to their percentage of the population.

Blacks represent 12% of the US population: yet commit 45% of all violent crimes, 55% of robberies, 60% of all Murders, 44% of all rapes, and 40% of all aggrivated assaults. They also represent 40% of all welfare recipients.

Pointing out the obvious insn't racism. Neither is questioning a culture that doesn't value family, community, hard work, education or civic virtue.

Same can be said for our culture at large, as more and more dumbasses (White, hispanic, asian, etc) in the USA have adopted the same mind set as a mojority of blacks.

Absolutely shocked by this. Wondering if Sir Charles will get the Larry Elder treatment from the AA community on teh twitterz.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2ZRI8CwmD

There is nothing wrong with my black people....and nothing wrong with any people in general.

There is something wrong with poor, violent neighborhoods....no matter the ethnicity.

Doesn't matter one way or the other here. A grown man with a gun starting a fight with a kid and then blasting his way out of the fight is wrong.

theAbstract wrote:There is nothing wrong with my black people....and nothing wrong with any people in general.

There is something wrong with poor, violent neighborhoods....no matter the ethnicity.

Doesn't matter one way or the other here. A grown man with a gun starting a fight with a kid and then blasting his way out of the fight is wrong.

Absolute bullshit.

If whites had the same crime rate and social issues as black people, there would be no society. BTW- When controlled for social economic factors, blacks are still disportionately committing more crimes. The problem is shit culture, decades of welfare hand outs, hand wringing liberals and race huckster black leaders.

Trayvon was a 6 foot tall 17 year old. Not the 12 year old boy his family and the press wanted people to believe. he was hardly a kid. I guess Zimerman should have asked Trayvon take a break from slamming his head against the concrete so Ihe could see his ID before deciding if he was old enough to shoot.

Present the evidence that Zimerman started a fight with Trayvon. There is none. The State of Florida had more than their day in court and they failed to convince 6 jurors that zimerman attacked or even insitgated a fight with Trayvon.

I feel for Trayvons family. I could give two shits about about another ganster wantabee that got ventalated by a fat hispanic.

If the problem is shit culture then the problem is not inherent in any people. It is inherent in the culture they are born into.

There is very little concrete evidence from that night.......Big Gunz Zimmerman shot the primary eye witness dead.

Batboy2/75 wrote:
I feel for Trayvons family. I could give two shits about about another ganster wantabee that got ventalated by a fat hispanic.

Geez, Bats, have a heart! He wasn't fat till he started stress eating.

Batboy2/75 wrote:The problem isn't their skin color, slavery, system wide racism or where their ancestors came from. The issue is an adherence to a culture that produces a crime rate and poverty rate way out of proportion to their percentage of the population.

Blacks represent 12% of the US population: yet commit 45% of all violent crimes, 55% of robberies, 60% of all Murders, 44% of all rapes, and 40% of all aggrivated assaults. They also represent 40% of all welfare recipients.

Pointing out the obvious insn't racism. Neither is questioning a culture that doesn't value family, community, hard work, education or civic virtue.

Several years ago I went into a bank with a black friend. He felt that the tellers and people were "eyeing him" and I tended to agree with the assessment. We were waiting a line which was stopped because of two other black guys who fit every stereotype that Kaz could come up with. I felt sorry for the teller who was required to put up with their bullshit but my friend was furious. He finally told them off - told them to pull their pants up and learn to speak proper English and that people like them were the reason that people stare at him when he walks in the door, etc, etc, etc. They finally left, calling my friend, I believe it was, an "Uncle Tom mother fucker".

Most of my black friends say that there is something wrong with the black community. However, they are adamant that the changes need to come from within, not from without. Saying that everything is fine and that young black males shoot other young black males at a disproportionate rate is putting one's head in the sand. However, there is a good deal of sensitivity about people from outside the community pointing out the obvious.

And, the DoJ is asking the public for opinions if it was a hate crime. Perhaps they could have it in a reality TV show.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... rman-case/