Another black liberal talking about race

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:19 am

Do I need to put Kaz's name in the subject?

Don’t Ignore Race in Christopher Lane’s Murder
The association of young black men with violence doesn't come out of thin air

Australian Christopher Lane was killed on Monday in Oklahoma by three teens, one of whom has said they were just “bored.” The right is complaining that the media is making nothing of the fact that two of the teens were black whereas Lane was white, as opposed to the massive alarm sounded in cases such as white (or white-ish) George Zimmerman killing black Trayvon Martin. And again the cry was heard that there is more “black-on-black” or “black-on-white” crime than “white-on-black,” and that young black men are in fact more of a problem than people like Zimmerman.

The numbers don’t lie: young black men do commit about 50% of the murders in the U.S. We don’t yet know whether the attack on Lane was racially motivated, nor can we know whether the three black boys who attacked a white boy on a Florida school bus recently would not have done the same to a black kid. (Critics took Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to task for not condemning the violence.) But hardly uncommon are cases such as the two black guys who doused a white 13-year-old with gasoline and lit him on fire, saying “You get what you deserve, white boy” (Kansas City, Mo.) or 20 black kids who beat up white Matthew Owens on his porch “for Trayvon” (Mobile, Ala.).

So, it’s just fake to pretend that the association of young black men with violence comes out of thin air. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. If the kinds of things I just mentioned were regularly done by whites, it’d be trumpeted as justification for being scared to death of them.

It’s not that black communities are in complete denial about these statistics — Stop the Violence events are a staple of high-crime areas. But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities. There is no coordinated nationwide movement equivalent to the one Martin galvanized. There are no thoughtful films “exploring” black-on-black crime the way Fruitvale Station treats the death of Oscar Grant, a young black man who was killed by transit police in Oakland, Calif.

And recent example illustrates how many blacks feel about who is murdering whom. Two weeks ago, an NYPD cop killed 14-year-old Shaaliver Douse. Douse was in the process of shooting other people, and had been charged with shooting someone else in May — and yet his aunt compared him to Martin. In her mind, the main sin was the white cop’s.

Granted, it seems a lot easier to do something about the Zimmermans than the black thugs. Protest profiling and police departments institute new programs. But black thugs aren’t moved by protests, so it can seem like we’re just stuck with them.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong? Annette John-Hall had some wise words on this last year. What kind of self-image do we have to assume we can only change others, but not ourselves?

For the time being, though, it’s time for the media to stop proudly emblazoning the race of white cops who kill black boys while cagily describing black teens as, say, “from the grittier part of town,” as has been the case regarding Lane’s killers. The media needs to be as honest with black people as we need to be with ourselves. No group gets ahead by turning away from its real problems.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/22/viewpo ... ?hpt=hp_t5

Kenny X · Post by **Kenny X** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:20 am

The association of young black men with violence doesn't come out of thin air

Nope, sure doesn't.

The numbers don’t lie: young black men do commit about 50% of the murders in the U.S. ... But hardly uncommon are cases such as the two black guys who doused a white 13-year-old with gasoline and lit him on fire, saying “You get what you deserve, white boy” (Kansas City, Mo.)

Try them in a court of law and when they're found guilty, give em the firing squad immediately and sterilize their parents. I would say the same if they set an innocent black kid on fire, or an Asian kid, hispanic kid, doesn't matter. Destroy those animals before they hurt anybody else.

And recent example illustrates how many blacks feel about who is murdering whom. Two weeks ago, an NYPD cop killed 14-year-old Shaaliver Douse. Douse was in the process of shooting other people, and had been charged with shooting someone else in May — and yet his aunt compared him to Martin. In her mind, the main sin was the white cop’s.

Hence my "sterilization" comment. Though in cases like this, sterilization of aunts and uncles is justified.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong? Annette John-Hall had some wise words on this last year. What kind of self-image do we have to assume we can only change others, but not ourselves?

^^^This is actually pretty good.

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:48 pm

McWhorter is a political centrist...the sentiment is probably a tad to the right of where he usually lands, but not completely beyond the bounds of ideas he's willing to explore.

I can hear the cries of UNCLE TOM already coming from the nickel seats.

Kenny X · Post by **Kenny X** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:49 pm

Kazuya Mishima wrote:McWhorter is a political centrist...the sentiment is probably a tad to the right of where he usually lands, but not completely beyond the bounds of ideas he's willing to explore.

I can hear the cries of UNCLE TOM already coming from the nickel seats.

And look no further for the source of the problem, with these bastards-

An inability to distinguish between the true and sincere "Desire To Respect the Value Of Human Life And Live Accordingly", and "Sellin Out To The White Man."

Black "leaders" are always the first to cry foul and shout "Uncle Tom" whenever an intelligent black person pipes up and says "Look at yourself, look at how YOU'RE behaving! Change for the better!" all while lining their filthy fucking pockets with the Disenfranchised blacks' dollars. Those assholes have failed black Americans time and time again.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:47 pm

There has always been a very small proportion of blacks that thought this way. At one time, they actually ran the Civil Rights movement. However, since the 1960s a new breed of Civil Rights leader has taken over; more than willing to play to the majority of black people that have no interest in changing their culture. They are more than comfortable sitting on their butts, living off the dole, shaking down guilt riddled white liberals and milking the system for all it's worth.

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:14 pm

The accountability/self-sufficiency/quiet dignity meme is all but dead in the black community. It has been replaced by entitlement, and chip-on-the-shoulder reactionary politics.

I am constantly shocked by the high levels of success that many of my black classmates (graduated in 1989) have attained. People who grew up with NOTHING, but are now professionals with undergraduate and graduate level degrees. A few others run businesses, and have found success there.

Something changed in the early 1990's, and I struggle to put my finger on it. Obviously, the low rate of marriage, and high level of children born to teenagers and out of wedlock in general has had a devastating effect...but I struggle in understanding as to why that change occurred.

Holland Oates · Post by **Holland Oates** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:32 pm

Glorification of the hip hop culture?

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:35 pm

Ed Zachary wrote:Glorification of the hip hop culture?

To be exact...their value set is coming from these professional derelicts as opposed to parents, teachers, and churches.

Not the total answer, but a huge part of it, imo.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:05 pm

Don’t Ignore Race in Christopher Lane’s Murder
...... and that young black men are in fact more of a problem than people like Zimmerman.

Granted, it seems a lot easier to do something about the Zimmermans than the black thugs.....

He doesn't deeply believe his rhetoric as these statements still insist that Zimmerman was any of the stereotypes he was accused of before, and even after, the trial. It was still a violent black youth that was the root cause.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:19 pm

I don't spend that much time in the US but, thinking of my good friends who are American and black, I would guess that none of them would disagree with either the general sentiment of the article nor take issue with individual statements within.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:25 pm

Thinking of my good friends who are American and black, all have openly stated support for ideas like those contained in the article and all have openly stated to the effect "Zimmerman was doing what the black community should have been doing all along-taking responsibility for his neighborhood."

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:33 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:
Don’t Ignore Race in Christopher Lane’s Murder
...... and that young black men are in fact more of a problem than people like Zimmerman.

Granted, it seems a lot easier to do something about the Zimmermans than the black thugs.....
He doesn't deeply believe his rhetoric as these statements still insist that Zimmerman was any of the stereotypes he was accused of before, and even after, the trial. It was still a violent black youth that was the root cause.

Amazingly enough...I disagree. It was an overzealous neighborhood watch captain who approached a person that he believed was a potential criminal. Sucker punchings and mouthy niggers aside, if he had just laid back and observed then the police would have had time to arrive and sort out the situation. Downside of the whole thing...Trayvon would have gotten away with his lawfully purchased tea and Skittles.

I've been on both sides of that shooting, back and forth in my head a dozen times. It was Zimmerman approaching Trayvon (a suspected criminal) that always nagged me and bothered me. I suspect that's what bothered a lot of other folks, but they're not smart enough or in touch with themselves enough to get past "DEY OUT DERE SHOOTIN OUR BABIES LIKE SUM CHICKENS SHEEEEEEEIT".

I'll poor mouth niggers with the best of them all day long, but conceal carry is for bailing you out when trouble comes looking for you...not the other way around.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:38 pm

LOL @ this article.

But hardly uncommon are cases such as the two black guys who doused a white 13-year-old with gasoline and lit him on fire, saying “You get what you deserve, white boy” (Kansas City, Mo.) or 20 black kids who beat up white Matthew Owens on his porch “for Trayvon” (Mobile, Ala.).

In fact, that's incredibly uncommon. 20-on-1 beat-downs or lighting people on fucking fire is rare.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong?

They do this ALL. THE. TIME. Big brother programs. After school programs to keep at-risk kids busy. Occupying violent corners. Meetings between neighborhood residents, police, and clergy. Getting ex-gang members to persuade current ones to quit the life. Neighborhood demonstrations against violence.

There are year-in, year-out efforts and a ton of people putting real time into working on this. Outrage over Trayvon Martin has absolutely nothing on this. Media coverage does not equal effort.

But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities.

Of course not. If random burglars come in and steal your gun, you are upset. If a cop comes into your house with no warrant, illegally takes your gun, and the state backs them up, people start talking about insurrection.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:40 pm

I'll get back to you KM just as soon as I get my jaw off the ground that YOU just said that.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:53 pm

OK, I've regained my composure. I too have been back and forth mentally over it. Discussed with white friends and black. Let's give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, with many years on the neighborhood watch he cared about his neighborhood. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt that with a long history of supporting black youth programs, dating black women, and that none of his black neighbors ever heard or saw a racist thin come out of him he wasn't a racist. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt that the early part of the conversation with the 911 operator could have easily led him to believe he was being asked to keep an eye on Trayvon. Let's accept the fact that with many years of gun ownership and legal concealed carry there are no known cases of him abusing its use, waving it around, using it to intimidate others, or even much mentioning it at all-he wasn't the stereotype 'little man with a gun' he has been accused of being.

Finally, and most importantly, let's consider that the police over many months had been entirely feckless in finding the perpetrators, failing to show up in a timely manner and that, at least on one occasion, the burglars had entered a house containing a woman and child, who managed to sneak out the back. In light of that, were his actions prudent, wishing only to keep an eye on the perceived perpetrator until the police could arrive to follow up and investigate? Of course it was avoidable, most tragedies are, but, given the circumstances, I could see myself having done the same thing, except perhaps putting myself into a situation where I could be sucker punched by someone I suspected was violent and having the only resort being a firearm-assuming there that the statements by Zimmerman at the trial that he was ambushed and did not approach Trayvon are false.

In the end, there's no reason to believe that had he not been grounded and pounded, Zimmerman would have done anything but wait for the police to arrive.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:LOL @ this article.

But hardly uncommon are cases such as the two black guys who doused a white 13-year-old with gasoline and lit him on fire, saying “You get what you deserve, white boy” (Kansas City, Mo.) or 20 black kids who beat up white Matthew Owens on his porch “for Trayvon” (Mobile, Ala.).
In fact, that's incredibly uncommon. 20-on-1 beat-downs or lighting people on fucking fire is rare.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong?
They do this ALL. THE. TIME. Big brother programs. After school programs to keep at-risk kids busy. Occupying violent corners. Meetings between neighborhood residents, police, and clergy. Getting ex-gang members to persuade current ones to quit the life. Neighborhood demonstrations against violence.

There are year-in, year-out efforts and a ton of people putting real time into working on this. Outrage over Trayvon Martin has absolutely nothing on this. Media coverage does not equal effort.
But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities.
Of course not. If random burglars come in and steal your gun, you are upset. If a cop comes into your house with no warrant, illegally takes your gun, and the state backs them up, people start talking about insurrection.

20-on-1 may be rare, lighting people on fire may be rare, but they're not unique and, I believe, the author's point was that heinous crimes in general by black male youths are far from uncommon.

Sure there are some who do this ALL THE TIME, but is level of effort the same as those who showed up for protests, for example, while misspelling Trayvon's name or showing pictures of him when he was 12 years old? What percentage of the black male population is engaged in the type of activities you describe versus those are that are indoctrinating other black males into the violent lifestyle and to being professional criminals? There has to be a critical mass. And it isn't being helped by the rhetoric of the Jackson's and Sharpton's or those LOL'ing at the message in this article.

The author takes pains it's that when a WHITE cop shoots a BLACK male out comes the rage-it's not the difference between what the police do versus the citizenry.

Kenny X · Post by **Kenny X** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:29 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:I'll get back to you KM just as soon as I get my jaw off the ground that YOU just said that.

Kaz is right.

TRUE- cops sometimes fail to respond promptly. True, innocent people get killed during home-invasion robberies. These things happen.

BUT- Trayvon Martin was walking around with a bottle of ice tea, and some candy. Probably looking thuggish, probably looking like he *could* be up to something, but most likely, any discerning individual could have sized him up as-

"He ain't up to shit, and he ain't worth my time."

Zimmerman DID dial 9-1-1, ad cops WERE dispatched, and they arrived, in a timely manner. And had Zimmerman done as he was told and did "NOT PURSHUE THE SUSPECT", the cops would have shaken down Trayvon, and the whole debacle never would have happened, and the would would have kept right on turning.

But in the end, it's all- "could have, should have, would have" and hindsight being what it is, who fucking knows.

Still, Zimmerman didn't make it any easier for the rest of us: Good White Folks Who Own Guns, And Will -under appropriate circumstances- Defend Ourselves Appropriately.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:41 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:20-on-1 may be rare, lighting people on fire may be rare, but they're not unique and, I believe, the author's point was that heinous crimes in general by black male youths are far from uncommon.

His point didn't leave much room for interpretation. It was wrong.

Sure there are some who do this ALL THE TIME, but is level of effort the same as those who showed up for protests, for example, while misspelling Trayvon's name or showing pictures of him when he was 12 years old?

It's a level of effort that vastly exceeds that of people who show up for a Trayvon protest or three. I don't see how you could even compare the two.

What percentage of the black male population is engaged in the type of activities you describe versus those are that are indoctrinating other black males into the violent lifestyle and to being professional criminals?

Violent criminals and those indoctrinating young men into crime make up the tiny minority of the black population, simply by virtue of demographics. Violent crime is a young man's game, murderers are a tiny subset of violent criminals. There are vastly more black people working the "anti-murder camp." You aren't thinking this through.

There has to be a critical mass. And it isn't being helped by the rhetoric of the Jackson's and Sharpton's or those LOL'ing at the message in this article.

Who said anything about those two? They are not the official representatives of Black America. Sharpton is a race-baiter, similar to Rush Limbaugh on the other side. You don't expect moderate rhetoric or even-handedness from either of them.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:42 pm

Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:
Sua Sponte wrote:I'll get back to you KM just as soon as I get my jaw off the ground that YOU just said that.
Kaz is right.

TRUE- cops sometimes fail to respond promptly. True, innocent people get killed during home-invasion robberies. These things happen.

BUT- Trayvon Martin was walking around with a bottle of ice tea, and some candy. Probably looking thuggish, probably looking like he *could* be up to something, but most likely, any discerning individual could have sized him up as-

"He ain't up to shit, and he ain't worth my time."

Zimmerman DID dial 9-1-1, ad cops WERE dispatched, and they arrived, in a timely manner. And had Zimmerman done as he was told and did "NOT PURSHUE THE SUSPECT", the cops would have shaken down Trayvon, and the whole debacle never would have happened, and the would would have kept right on turning.

But in the end, it's all- "could have, should have, would have" and hindsight being what it is, who fucking knows.

Still, Zimmerman didn't make it any easier for the rest of us: Good White Folks Who Own Guns, And Will -under appropriate circumstances- Defend Ourselves Appropriately.

I can't honestly say that I know anybody not on the scene could have made the determination the "He ain't up to shit, and he ain't worth my time." Certainly the original description given to the police in the 911 call wouldn't suggest that-not to me.

The police did not tell him "NOT PURSUE THE SUSPECT", the dispatcher eventually asked him if he was following and stated "ok, we don't need you to do that." Not quite the same by far. The police aren't going to tell anybody to pursue a suspect.

They were dispatched but by the time they arrived Trayvon was dead and could have easily beat feet out of the area more easily than having engaged in a grounding and pounding-before the police arrived if he were so inclined. As an aside, the SYG defense would have been required by Trayvon had he not been shot to death. Of course, we likely would have heard nothing of the incident if that's how things unfolded.

Again, it's certainly easy to see how this were preventable had George done things differently, and the same could be said of Trayvon. But the penultimate act, the assault on Zimmerman, is hwy he shot Trayvon. I see your points and KM's, and they have merit clearly but I took issue to the "people like him" comments of the author. Likewise, maybe there wouldn't have been a 20-on-1 beating to death of a white kid, just for being white, had the media never lied about the incident to begin with-no mea culpa on the same grounds by ABC.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:50 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Violent criminals and those indoctrinating young men into crime make up the tiny minority of the black population, simply by virtue of demographics. Violent crime is a young man's game, murderers are a tiny subset of violent criminals. There are vastly more black people working the "anti-murder camp."

Shew! Glad to hear that. I was thinking that violence and murder were a problem in urban communities.

Favg 1 wrote:
Favg 2 wrote:There has to be a critical mass. And it isn't being helped by the rhetoric of the Jackson's and Sharpton's or those LOL'ing at the message in this article.
Who said anything about those two? They are not the official representatives of Black America. Sharpton is a race-baiter, similar to Rush Limbaugh on the other side. You don't expect moderate rhetoric or even-handedness from either of them.

You've got your head in the sand if you think those two don't have an abnormally loud voice, and a large following, and on an abnormally large national scale, within certain communities. In fact, local community leaders frequently complain that they ARE doing the good work, but it goes unrecognized and is drowned out by the bullhorn possessed by those two.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:55 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Sua Sponte wrote:20-on-1 may be rare, lighting people on fire may be rare, but they're not unique and, I believe, the author's point was that heinous crimes in general by black male youths are far from uncommon.
His point didn't leave much room for interpretation. It was wrong.

Sure there are some who do this ALL THE TIME, but is level of effort the same as those who showed up for protests, for example, while misspelling Trayvon's name or showing pictures of him when he was 12 years old?
It's a level of effort that vastly exceeds that of people who show up for a Trayvon protest or three. I don't see how you could even compare the two.

What percentage of the black male population is engaged in the type of activities you describe versus those are that are indoctrinating other black males into the violent lifestyle and to being professional criminals?
Violent criminals and those indoctrinating young men into crime make up the tiny minority of the black population, simply by virtue of demographics. Violent crime is a young man's game, murderers are a tiny subset of violent criminals. There are vastly more black people working the "anti-murder camp." You aren't thinking this through.

There has to be a critical mass. And it isn't being helped by the rhetoric of the Jackson's and Sharpton's or those LOL'ing at the message in this article.
Who said anything about those two? They are not the official representatives of Black America. Sharpton is a race-baiter, similar to Rush Limbaugh on the other side. You don't expect moderate rhetoric or even-handedness from either of them.

I saw room for interpretation. It's not just the murders, it's the utter contempt for life that makes them so nauseating.

I asked two questions-no statements, no assertions, no comparisons-they were real questions. How do you know 'the vast majority' or factors of 3? Honestly. Young men may partake int he violence, it doesn't mean they're not being indoctrinated into a culture of violence by those not necessarily participating. Why do you think there is so much more violent crime, very serious violent crime, among the black males? What's wrong with all this effort you describe that it's so ineffective?

I'm pretty sure Sharpton's rhetoric about racism was the reason the Zimmerman/Trayvon case came to trial at all. I'm not aware of Limbaugh exercising the same sort of sway; he's a punch line most times I hear of him. I'm not aware of Sharpton speaking out against the described crimes or others like the recent beating to death of an 88 year old WWII combat veteran by two black youths. Do you think there will be a 20-on-1 beating of a black kid in the name of this killing?

Yes I Have Balls · Post by **Yes I Have Balls** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:36 pm

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Something changed in the early 1990's, and I struggle to put my finger on it.

Gangster Rap.

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:45 pm

Where do you guys get that Zimmerman PURSUED, APPROACHED, and CONFRONTED Martin? That's certainly not Zimmerman's version. I don't remember any Prosecution evidence supporting the PURSUIT version, except for Racheal Jeantel's half of the phone call.

I have no problem with Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle; I just wish he'd used better situational awareness.
A week or so after the Zimmerman verdict, everyone was enraptured by a young black kid on a bicycle who PURSUED a guy who had abducted a young white girl...he was a big hero.
I don't want to live in a world where everyone is afraid to help or get involved.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:17 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:I asked two questions-no statements, no assertions, no comparisons-they were real questions. How do you know 'the vast majority' or factors of 3? Honestly.

Don't know where your factor of 3 came from. I have lived in or adjacent to these communities for a long time, and it's pretty apparent to anybody who is even close to what is going on, that you have more people working against violence than you have actual shooters. The last time they did a gang member audit in my area on the far North side of Chicago, it was 17 gang factions with 249 members (not all of them shooters, obviously). In that area, there many times that number in in black cops, teachers, clergy, volunteers, etc. The number skews so obviously the other way that it's bizarre to ask the question.

Why do you think there is so much more violent crime, very serious violent crime, among the black males? What's wrong with all this effort you describe that it's so ineffective?

No idea. It's clearly a culture problem on their part. It really has no bearing on the author's central questions though:

Q: Why are black people so much more outraged unjustified killing of black kids by cops than black-on-black crime?
A: Because it's much more outrageous.

Q: Why don't they invest more effort on reducing black on black crime than they do protesting Trayvon?
A: They do, by an enormous margin.

I'm not aware of Sharpton speaking out against the described crimes or others like the recent beating to death of an 88 year old WWII combat veteran by two black youths.

This is the the white conservative victim mentality. A) Sharpton does not speak out against black on white violence, just as Limbaugh does not speak out against white on black violence. They professional race baiters, and introducing them into the conversation is silly. B) You are missing the key distinction: the black youths are being aggressively arrested and charged. The system is working as it should, so there's nothing to protest. There wouldn't have been protests had Zimmerman been immediately arrested and charged.

Do you think there will be a 20-on-1 beating of a black kid in the name of this killing?

Again, the system is already providing justice.

baffled · Post by **baffled** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:24 pm

edit: I'm not that combative yet.

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