So How Does Syria Play Out?

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nafod wrote:
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nafod wrote:
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stanley_white wrote:I hope it lasts as long as possible and the U.S. pops some popcorn and watches while our enemies kill each other.
Assad showed the world (again) that using WMDs doesn't have to be the last act of a desperate man. One has to presume that if he does go down, it will be accompanied by far more clouds of Sarin Gas and maybe not just in Syria.

What you would then hope is that we could turn one of his underlings who is not so set on martyrdom, and have a backed coup in exchange for the WMDs.
Stop posting.
Best chance of Assad getting killed and no WMDs is if one of cohorts does it, knife in the back style. You against that?
I don't really give a shit one way or another. '

It's a civil war, it's ugly, and it's no business of ours trying to influence the outcome.
I just want to influence not getting a shipping container full of Sarin Gas let loose where there are Merkins. Hope is not a strategy.
Neither is picking sides when both have ties to extremists. Rebels linked to AQ, Assad linked to Hezbollah, neither much of a good thing for the U.S.

Getting involved, in any way and with either side, increases the chance that the winner becomes even more hostile to the U.S. should the other win.

And there's no guarantee we can keep that container from getting here or anywhere else, no matter who wins, even the side we decide are "the good guys" happens to win.

Stay out = best strategy. No hope needed.
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baffled wrote:
nafod wrote:
baffled wrote:
nafod wrote:
baffled wrote:
nafod wrote:
stanley_white wrote:I hope it lasts as long as possible and the U.S. pops some popcorn and watches while our enemies kill each other.
Assad showed the world (again) that using WMDs doesn't have to be the last act of a desperate man. One has to presume that if he does go down, it will be accompanied by far more clouds of Sarin Gas and maybe not just in Syria.

What you would then hope is that we could turn one of his underlings who is not so set on martyrdom, and have a backed coup in exchange for the WMDs.
Stop posting.
Best chance of Assad getting killed and no WMDs is if one of cohorts does it, knife in the back style. You against that?
I don't really give a shit one way or another. '

It's a civil war, it's ugly, and it's no business of ours trying to influence the outcome.
I just want to influence not getting a shipping container full of Sarin Gas let loose where there are Merkins. Hope is not a strategy.
Neither is picking sides when both have ties to extremists. Rebels linked to AQ, Assad linked to Hezbollah, neither much of a good thing for the U.S.

Getting involved, in any way and with either side, increases the chance that the winner becomes even more hostile to the U.S. should the other win.

And there's no guarantee we can keep that container from getting here or anywhere else, no matter who wins, even the side we decide are "the good guys" happens to win.

Stay out = best strategy. No hope needed.
Concur with Baffled.

As long as both sides keep fighting each other their attention is not on attacking the U.S.

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The US has to scare the Iranians so that they don't use alternate currencies. The Saudis have too many petrodollars to let them go to pot.

The Russians (and everyone else) are fed up with US Dollar hegemony.

Obama is along for the ride. As usual.
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Syria, because of location and history, matters.


There will be significant geopolitical consequences no matter what happens.
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So, as i read in news, strike will be at Thursday.
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Whoever created that picture has no idea that Zinn was spent a career as an apologist for guys like Assad.
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I took it from "Free talk live radio". I use them to practice in understanding English by listening.

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Wild Bill wrote:I took it from "Free talk live radio". I use them to practice in understanding English by listening.
Zinn is probably not well known on your side of the world. No worries.
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"an apologist for guys like Assad."
As for me, Assad much better then those "alah akbars" who eats human's liver and hearts.

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Guess who wrote this:
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Is it possible he works closely with this guy?

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Turdacious wrote:Whoever created that picture has no idea that Zinn was spent a career as an apologist for guys like Assad.
Oh, do tell.

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milosz wrote:
Turdacious wrote:Whoever created that picture has no idea that Zinn was spent a career as an apologist for guys like Assad.
Oh, do tell.
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So, like, he didn't?

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milosz wrote:So, like, he didn't?
Not while he still wore pajamas with feet in them. The other 70 years...
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Never mind that a faction of the rebels was believed to have used sarin not too long ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188
Testimony from victims of the conflict in Syria suggests rebels have used the nerve agent, sarin, a leading member of a UN commission of inquiry has said.

Carla Del Ponte told Swiss TV that there were "strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof".
Of course, there's this:
Ms Del Ponte did not rule out the possibility that government forces might also have used chemical weapons.
What I take from that is that both sides may have gassed each other, or they may not have used anything other than more conventional weaponry.

Either way, there are no good guys here, and the presence of AQ affiliated groups in the rebel effort still makes me wonder how we may be better off without Assad in power.

Trying to engineer a coup from the inside of his power circle does... what? How do we know they wouldn't create a state even more hostile to the West?
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baffled wrote:Either way, there are no good guys here, and the presence of AQ affiliated groups in the rebel effort still makes me wonder how we may be better off without Assad in power.

Trying to engineer a coup from the inside of his power circle does... what? How do we know they wouldn't create a state even more hostile to the West?
People seem to get fixated on the figurehead at the top of organizations and ignore the structure and environment that surround that person, especially recently as countries are terrified of the commitment behind "nation building" kind of talk.

The upside is that the US serving as air support for Al Qaeda will certainly lead to a regime that is far more repressive than Assad ever could have imagined, leading to US involvement and increased military contracts for another good decade.
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Turdacious wrote:Not while he still wore pajamas with feet in them. The other 70 years...
So you got nothing, eh?
Shouldn't smear the dead when you're too intellectually dishonest to back it up.

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baffled wrote:Is it possible he works closely with this guy?

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Obama's an idiot.

He backed himself into a corner with the "red line" BS last year.

Now, he has to do something about to save face, but he doesn't really want to, so he's going to do something half-assed.

Good job America!
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This will all end very badly.

We will regret removing Assad from power. The religious minorities of the middle east will pay the majority of the bill though.

We really need to stop this Willsonian nation building shit. These savages are in no way ready for democracy; they'll just vote in the jihadist dumb asses that have help fuck up the culture for close to 1300 years.

I have been of the belief (since 2001) that we should treat the Middle East as one huge hunting preserve. No nation building, no holding of huge tracks of territory and no convention troops. Let Special Opperations off their leash and get them killing jihadist mother fuckers in thier sleep.
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This is precisely the kind of shit that gives these assholes the type of justification they need to actually attack us.

The Saudis are certainly giving the rebels enough money to sort their shit out. The Iranians and Hezbollah are likely doing the same with Assad.

They'll get it figured, no need for a push from us or Europe.

Of course, we're about to blow a bunch of shit up anyway, so whatever. It's going to suck.
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Obama wants to punish them for an "alleged" chemical attack ? I'm not seeing enough outrage over this. Its going to create a huge shit storm.


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VO2 maxed wrote:Obama wants to punish them for an "alleged" chemical attack ? I'm not seeing enough outrage over this. Its going to create a huge shit storm.
It's ok. He's going to do it the right way.
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Anyone else find it disturbing that the Arab League is pissed at Assad but wants US to do someting about it?

Why can't the Arab League fuel up the jets we've sold/given them and do something on their own?

This is, after all, their back yard.
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