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Dan Martin wrote:

protobuilder wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Cayenne wrote:I never followed the LA story in detail, just the headlines. Issues of PED usage -right or wrong?- aside, there is one part that always struck me as just plain wrong, if I understand it correctly. Please correct me if I'm mistaken:

OK, I get that LA denied usage and called his accusers liars. I get all that. But did he also, using the great resources available to him, commence law suits against his accusers and make their lives miserable / cause them serious financial harm, to further advance his position of denial ?

Correct. He went all out to threaten ruination and actually ruin. His former masseuse, Emily O'Reilly, suffered at his hands. Nasty, nasty shit. And Lemond - a TRUE fucking warrior whi did it before EPO an has greater natural talent than Armstrong (bigger lung capacity for a start and he came back after a hunting accident and won again). He also went vicious on Frankie Andreu's wife, Betsy. And on David Walsh, the Sunday Times journalist.

I admire the athletic accomplishments of Lance as someone who grew up watching Indurain, LeMond, Millar etc. Fucking animal on a bike. Single-minded and stone-cold. But as a human being, he's pretty fucked up and threw everyone under the bus to keep his own wealth intact. He's a top level international class cuntoid. Not the greatest cyclist ever. Don't say that cause it's not true.

No argument on the LA facts. Of course, I have issues with companies that financially supported legal and PR attacks and then dropped LA when the winds changes.

I have also never believed that Lemond was clean, even when he was riding. Oh, Floyd is dirty but not Lance...ok, Lance is dirty but not Greg. Wool meet eyes.

There was fuck all available to take in Lemond's day other than caffeine an amphetamines and frankly, whilst he may or may not have taken them, my view is that you could not turn a carthorse into a racehorse with that weak shit. He won with a level or almost level playing field.

BOOM

LeMond had the sense to get his win and then move on.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:So for 10 fucking years, Terry B posts gay erotica and homosexual porn on the P&B and Bruvs world. He comes over to IGx and starts talking about real topics. Fuck you Terry.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:erotica has a hint of romance to it. porn is just fucking

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:So for 10 fucking years, Terry B posts gay erotica and homosexual porn on the P&B and Bruvs world. He comes over to IGx and starts talking about real topics. Fuck you Terry.

Cayenne wrote:I never followed the LA story in detail, just the headlines. Issues of PED usage -right or wrong?- aside, there is one part that always struck me as just plain wrong, if I understand it correctly. Please correct me if I'm mistaken:

OK, I get that LA denied usage and called his accusers liars. I get all that. But did he also, using the great resources available to him, commence law suits against his accusers and make their lives miserable / cause them serious financial harm, to further advance his position of denial ?

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Dan Martin wrote:

protobuilder wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Cayenne wrote:I never followed the LA story in detail, just the headlines. Issues of PED usage -right or wrong?- aside, there is one part that always struck me as just plain wrong, if I understand it correctly. Please correct me if I'm mistaken:

OK, I get that LA denied usage and called his accusers liars. I get all that. But did he also, using the great resources available to him, commence law suits against his accusers and make their lives miserable / cause them serious financial harm, to further advance his position of denial ?

Correct. He went all out to threaten ruination and actually ruin. His former masseuse, Emily O'Reilly, suffered at his hands. Nasty, nasty shit. And Lemond - a TRUE fucking warrior whi did it before EPO an has greater natural talent than Armstrong (bigger lung capacity for a start and he came back after a hunting accident and won again). He also went vicious on Frankie Andreu's wife, Betsy. And on David Walsh, the Sunday Times journalist.

I admire the athletic accomplishments of Lance as someone who grew up watching Indurain, LeMond, Millar etc. Fucking animal on a bike. Single-minded and stone-cold. But as a human being, he's pretty fucked up and threw everyone under the bus to keep his own wealth intact. He's a top level international class cuntoid. Not the greatest cyclist ever. Don't say that cause it's not true.

No argument on the LA facts. Of course, I have issues with companies that financially supported legal and PR attacks and then dropped LA when the winds changes.

I have also never believed that Lemond was clean, even when he was riding. Oh, Floyd is dirty but not Lance...ok, Lance is dirty but not Greg. Wool meet eyes.

There was fuck all available to take in Lemond's day other than caffeine an amphetamines and frankly, whilst he may or may not have taken them, my view is that you could not turn a carthorse into a racehorse with that weak shit. He won with a level or almost level playing field.

BOOM

LeMond had the sense to get his win and then move on.

I seem to recall that a Tour De France thread was the ultimate undoing of the old Garage Gym board. Is that not so, Uncle Dan?

Mickey O'neil wrote:

tough old man wrote:LA, Still the greatest ever.

Yep.

Turdacious wrote:

Mickey O'neil wrote:

tough old man wrote:LA, Still the greatest ever.

Yep.

Maybe second best.

Dan Martin wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Mickey O'neil wrote:

tough old man wrote:LA, Still the greatest ever.

Yep.

Maybe second best.

JYES!

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Dan Martin wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Mickey O'neil wrote:

tough old man wrote:LA, Still the greatest ever.

Yep.

Maybe second best.

JYES!

JYESx10

It's not even close...King Eddy.

LA can lay claim to best big tour rider due to his total domination of TDF...but GOAT?

That's the man right there.^^^

In GOAT status B. Hinault belongs ahead of LA as well.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Dan Martin wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Mickey O'neil wrote:

tough old man wrote:LA, Still the greatest ever.

Yep.

Maybe second best.

JYES!

JYESx10

It's not even close...King Eddy.

LA can lay claim to best big tour rider due to his total domination of TDF...but GOAT?

That's the man right there.^^^

In GOAT status B. Hinault belongs ahead of LA as well.

Terry B. wrote:You people suck at arguing GOAT status.

GOAT isn't actually a title for an individual athlete. GOAT is an individual accolade given out by fans based on their impression of the athlete, not on their actual accomplishments. For there to be interaction, the athlete needs to be at their absolute zenith while the fan in question is at an impressionable age. In the NBA, Oscar Robinson or Wilt would need to be at the top of the lists for GOAT if all were equal. However, for most of us posting here, MJ or Bird are the GOATs because they were at the peak of their skills while we were 12-20 years old. Bodybuilding? Arnold, right? Golf? Did you say Ed Hogan? Football? Porn? Nobody but Shaf knows of Ed Deen.

Cycling is the same thing.

Merckx, who turned professional in 1965, won the Tour de France and the Giro d'Italia five times each, and the Vuelta a España once. He also won all of professional cycling's classic "monument" races at least twice each (with 19 Classics victories in all).[2] Merckx was World Champion once as an amateur and three times as a professional, and he even broke the world hour record before retiring in 1978.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Merckx, who turned professional in 1965, won the Tour de France and the Giro d'Italia five times each, and the Vuelta a España once. He also won all of professional cycling's classic "monument" races at least twice each (with 19 Classics victories in all).[2] Merckx was World Champion once as an amateur and three times as a professional, and he even broke the world hour record before retiring in 1978.

Gorbachev wrote:

Cayenne wrote:I never followed the LA story in detail, just the headlines. Issues of PED usage -right or wrong?- aside, there is one part that always struck me as just plain wrong, if I understand it correctly. Please correct me if I'm mistaken:

OK, I get that LA denied usage and called his accusers liars. I get all that. But did he also, using the great resources available to him, commence law suits against his accusers and make their lives miserable / cause them serious financial harm, to further advance his position of denial ?

Correct. He went all out to threaten ruination and actually ruin. His former masseuse, Emily O'Reilly, suffered at his hands. Nasty, nasty shit. And Lemond - a TRUE fucking warrior whi did it before EPO an has greater natural talent than Armstrong (bigger lung capacity for a start and he came back after a hunting accident and won again). He also went vicious on Frankie Andreu's wife, Betsy. And on David Walsh, the Sunday Times journalist.

I admire the athletic accomplishments of Lance as someone who grew up watching Indurain, LeMond, Millar etc. Fucking animal on a bike. Single-minded and stone-cold. But as a human being, he's pretty fucked up and threw everyone under the bus to keep his own wealth intact. He's a top level international class cuntoid. Not the greatest cyclist ever. Don't say that cause it's not true.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This is why the ones that stay quiet and off soapboxes are still revered and the twats like LeMond are despised.