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Summation: not good. Increased risk of heart attack, stroke...for men already dealing with cardiovascular disease.

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.asp ... ID=1764051

The increase in life quality versus one study with a roughly 5% greater chance of heart issues in people with already very high risk factors. Not exactly scared yet.

You're dead either way, no?

climber511 wrote:The increase in life quality versus one study with a roughly 5% greater chance of heart issues in people with already very high risk factors. Not exactly scared yet.

Yeah..that was my take. You're at high risk for heart disease and test made it slightly worse? Hmmm...I am Jack's total lack of surprise.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Hmmm...I am Jack's total lack of surprise.

Palahniuk quotes always deserve some clappies:

40% reduction in those with normal Test vs low test in all forms of death including accidents. I like those odds. I'm not there yet,.. but I'd check www.Excelmale.com first.

Did TRT w/very little improvement in quality of life. Quit w/no noticeable decrease in quality of life. Next testosterone test in January. Don't know my present numbers but with or without TRT I see no difference in quality of life.

I could whip-up a legit study that'd show a 5% increase of heart disease in people who drink skim, no-foam lattes from Starbucks and already have high risk factors.

As to TRT, when the time comes I'm totally gonna do it.

you can pry the needle from my cold dead hands

Jay wrote:you can pry the needle from my cold dead hands

You're gonna pay a lot more for that needle soon, so stock up now. This study is manna to ambulance chasers.

Turdacious wrote:

Jay wrote:you can pry the needle from my cold dead hands

You're gonna pay a lot more for that needle soon, so stock up now. This study is manna to ambulance chasers.

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This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

I haz prescription! nananananaaaa

I think those of use with a scrip have the most to worry about at the end of the day.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

I have been on replacement of sorts for about a year. I'm only 33 but started having all sorts of issues and got the blood work and my T total was 230. They started me on the gel, which actually made me feel more depressed, less sex drive, less energy, etc. I have been on the pin for about 6 months now, 100mgs of cyp per week. I feel a lot better, more energy, sex drive better, depression no change, loss of a small amount of body fat that I had put on. I think its worth it as far a quality of life goes. The only side effect I have so far is oily skin and elevated blood pressure. The oily skin is controlled easily for me and the blood pressure I think is due to the fat I put on when my levels were low and the depression cycle I was in (eating/sleeping/etc.). I worry though that those of us with an rx for this shit will end up paying out the ass for it with all this health care bullshit going on. I guess I will be going black market if that happens.

I for one hope they do legalize MJ. I had better luck as a youngster managing my depression with MJ than I ever have with prozac, remeron, and doctors. JMO.

It's obscene this "research" came out of the medical community. Read the paper and tell me if it shows anything.

Turdacious wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

This

Herv100 wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

This

Yes they will tax MJ, but you'll still be able to buy it illegally I am sure, if the market remains. I doubt they'll make it more difficult to grow your own than it is now.

Legalizing it will give you two ways to acquire it. The old, illegal way, and the new legal way down at the liquor store. Take your pick.

Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:I could whip-up a legit study that'd show a 5% increase of heart disease in people who drink skim, no-foam lattes from Starbucks and already have high risk factors.

Forgot to give you your props.

nafod wrote:

Herv100 wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

This

Yes they will tax MJ, but you'll still be able to buy it illegally I am sure, if the market remains. I doubt they'll make it more difficult to grow your own than it is now.

Legalizing it will give you two ways to acquire it. The old, illegal way, and the new legal way down at the liquor store. Take your pick.

You really need to look into how the IRS works.

Turdacious wrote:

nafod wrote:

Herv100 wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

This

Yes they will tax MJ, but you'll still be able to buy it illegally I am sure, if the market remains. I doubt they'll make it more difficult to grow your own than it is now.

Legalizing it will give you two ways to acquire it. The old, illegal way, and the new legal way down at the liquor store. Take your pick.

You really need to look into how the IRS works.

OK, so your standard home grower, how is the IRS going to magically become aware of the grow lights in the crawl space of their house that have survived 30+ years of defying law enforcement eradication efforts?

In WA where MJ is now (semi) legal, they have been droning non stop about how we need MORE OFFICERS to make sure illegally grown pot isn't sneaking into the market...The way they are going to get there is with 50 using financial info and the broad arm of the State taxing agencies. Now that this is about money...it's going to be all about the money.

Our government could fuck up a wet dream so I have no doubt they will fuck this up.

nafod wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

nafod wrote:

Herv100 wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

This

Yes they will tax MJ, but you'll still be able to buy it illegally I am sure, if the market remains. I doubt they'll make it more difficult to grow your own than it is now.

Legalizing it will give you two ways to acquire it. The old, illegal way, and the new legal way down at the liquor store. Take your pick.

You really need to look into how the IRS works.

OK, so your standard home grower, how is the IRS going to magically become aware of the grow lights in the crawl space of their house that have survived 30+ years of defying law enforcement eradication efforts?

No knock warrant on the way ...

The Crawdaddy wrote:

nafod wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

nafod wrote:

Herv100 wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:This country is on general trajectory to legalize MJ and wring hands and over regulate every other chemical.

And tax the shit out of MJ and make it more difficult for you to grow your own.

This

Yes they will tax MJ, but you'll still be able to buy it illegally I am sure, if the market remains. I doubt they'll make it more difficult to grow your own than it is now.

Legalizing it will give you two ways to acquire it. The old, illegal way, and the new legal way down at the liquor store. Take your pick.

You really need to look into how the IRS works.

OK, so your standard home grower, how is the IRS going to magically become aware of the grow lights in the crawl space of their house that have survived 30+ years of defying law enforcement eradication efforts?

No knock warrant on the way ...

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