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nafod wrote:

tough old man wrote:I've always thought the "Starship Trooper " route was the correct path.

It has an obviousness to it.

So should you have to have served in the military to vote for your local school board? Or mayor? Or vote on a referendum to build a park? What if you are a small town where hardly anyone is a vet in the first place?

I live in a small town - almost everyone was a vet.

Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:this thread is terrible.

We haven't even approached terrible yet.

climber511 wrote:

nafod wrote:

tough old man wrote:I've always thought the "Starship Trooper " route was the correct path.

It has an obviousness to it.

So should you have to have served in the military to vote for your local school board? Or mayor? Or vote on a referendum to build a park? What if you are a small town where hardly anyone is a vet in the first place?

I live in a small town - almost everyone was a vet.

Women too? What about mom who stays home to raise the kids?

I'll flip it around. Voting is a responsibility. No vote and you get fined and have to pick up trash along the highway.

nafod wrote:

climber511 wrote:

nafod wrote:

tough old man wrote:I've always thought the "Starship Trooper " route was the correct path.

It has an obviousness to it.

So should you have to have served in the military to vote for your local school board? Or mayor? Or vote on a referendum to build a park? What if you are a small town where hardly anyone is a vet in the first place?

I live in a small town - almost everyone was a vet.

Women too? What about mom who stays home to raise the kids?

I'll flip it around. Voting is a responsibility. No vote and you get fined and have to pick up trash along the highway.

If women want true equality (like they claim) yes. If not, shut the fuck up and make me a sandwitch.

The last thing we need is more retards voting. You can't fine your way to a moral or civic minded citizenry.

I would prefer an opt in sytem like starship troopers. If you want to vote you need to volunteer and complete your military hitch. All volunteers welcome. Even if it's picking up cigarette butts for 2 years. You'll do it under the UCMJ and if we are war and are in desperate need of some cannon fodder, your name will get called. Those that don't volunteer? They get all the rights and priviledges of citizenship, minus the right to call the shots.

A close second is declared US nuetrality and universal conscription. If we have to have universal sufferage, then everyone better have some skin in the game.

Master_Blaster wrote:F-U-C-K Tom Cruise.

^This

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Bullshit. There are jobs that need to be done, not everyone can be a soldier, cop, fireman, or EMT. The corruption surrounding the military industrial complex is one of the problems the US faces today.

I think that if you hold a job and contribute to the economy then it's all good. Want to be a ward of the state? Ok, but You lose voting privs

This would immediately eliminate the attempts to buy votes via welfare

^This

Gary John wrote:So, fuck Tom and his bullshit.

Yep

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:18 year olds? Of course they should be able to vote... you can't deny people that will be sent to fight a vote in the decision process to send them. You should be on my side of this argument, I really can't believe you actually said that.

How about we assign vote weights based on taxes paid? That way the have-nots will not be able to loot the US treasury through income-redistributing legislation.

Yep

Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:this thread is terrible.

Last but not least.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

climber511 wrote:

nafod wrote:

tough old man wrote:I've always thought the "Starship Trooper " route was the correct path.

It has an obviousness to it.

So should you have to have served in the military to vote for your local school board? Or mayor? Or vote on a referendum to build a park? What if you are a small town where hardly anyone is a vet in the first place?

I live in a small town - almost everyone was a vet.

Women too? What about mom who stays home to raise the kids?

I'll flip it around. Voting is a responsibility. No vote and you get fined and have to pick up trash along the highway.

If women want true equality (like they claim) yes. If not, shut the fuck up and make me a sandwitch.

The last thing we need is more retards voting.

Case and point: http://www.statecollege.com/news/local- ... p,1410613/

Batboy2/75 wrote: Also, fuck this talk of cops, firefights, teachers etc. Until then they are scum sucking government lay a bouts.

Please feel free to tell the firefighters and paramedics that are working on your loved one after the go into cardiac arrest that they are scum sucking government layabouts. Get over yourself.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:For most, the military is a fucking job, no more,no less. We can put in an exception that combat vets retain their rights for life, as do other folks who are disabled during their work.

And horseshit, the military is full of fuck ups and cruisers who would rip off anything they could get away with, and would be pleased to scam the taxpayers out of as much monetary benefits as possible

Seriously, would you just suck any soldiers cock for them signing up? Because you sure as hell sound like you're saying soldiers can do no wrong.

A naturalized, Muslim business owner who pays his taxes, and employs 3 other people is doing more for the US than most military personnel.

Agreed. Growing up in a base town, a fair number of folks I grew up wit joined. While I appreciate their willingness to serve, their main motivation was that they had no other options besides working at walmart or some bs due to their shitty test scores and general don't give a fuck attitude. Hell, I a probably more aware and appreciative, initially at least, than they are since they are just looking at the short term pay check being better than working at some hick gas station.

Batboy2/75 wrote:In my opinion, you have to have some skin in the game to have the right to vote. The fact that we allow 18 yr. olds, government employees and welfare recipients to vote blows my mind. These people have absolutely no skin in the game and actually benefit from the looting of the nation’s treasury..

You are a fucking idiot.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Instead of assigning voting rights by arbitrary wealth, race, class, gender or age; I say we assign voting rights by action and the willingness to sacrifice your life in defense of the country. ..

Stupid.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Also, fuck this talk of cops, firefights, teachers etc. When they have to live under the UCMJ, live under the same working conditions, and receive the same benefits as the military we can talk. Until then they are scum sucking government lay a bouts...

Grow up. Your constant bashing of police officers is ignorant. They are not all thugs with badges. And I am qualified to speak on this shit because I am a former cop. Im not going to even begin to bullshit either, I started out as a good cop trying to do the right thing and ended up not giving a fuck and started doing bad shit. Thats why I am no longer a cop, because the bad caught up to me. And guess what? Not a one of those fucking thugs with badges covered for me or tried to help me get out of trouble. So fuck your opinion. Yeah there are bad, dirty ass, lazy ass, dumb ass cops out there, and lots of them. But there are lots that are there to do their job and want to do right by others, and they just hope to make it home at night. To sit and think all these guys are in some evil boys club is fucking stupid. Stop watching tv. I gather you are an attorney or in some way involved with the criminal justice system. Figures. And the hate for fire fighters, emt's, teachers, etc. whatever. Get off of your fucking soap box and stop being a pretentious cunt. You couldnt carry most of these guys jock straps. Maybe the Swiss will take your faggoty ass since you hate the US so much.

Turdacious wrote:

Tom Cruise not only thinks he trains harder than Olympic athletes, he believes his job as a professional actor is as grueling as fighting the war in Afghanistan -- this according to legal docs obtained by TMZ.

As we reported, Cruise recently sat for a deposition in his $50 million libel suit against a magazine publisher that claimed he abandoned daughter Suri -- and his quotes are GOLD.

First, the Middle East -- Tom says his location shoots are just like serving a tour in Afghanistan, "That's what it feels like. And certainly on this last movie, it was brutal. It was brutal."

As for his physical training, Tom said, "There is difficult physical stamina and preparation. Sometimes I've spent months, a year, and sometimes two years preparing for a single film." But the kicker, he adds, "A sprinter for the Olympics, they only have to run two races a day. When I'm shooting, I could potentially have to run 30, 40 races a day, day after day."

But it's not all grenades and triathlons ... Tom says he's only flown commercial ONCE in the last 4 years ... and that was because he had no choice.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/08/tom-cruis ... -olympics/

A Hollywood actor like Cruise could have his selection of well-tanned, recently-shaved groupies willing to do things that would make many of you uncomfortable to think of. He has no idea what it is like to have to decide if he wants to kill an entire family to rape the underage females in the household or force himself on the American chicks who serve with him.

Of course, in the movies if you fuck up over and over again, eventually the producers are going to get pissed and cut off your cash flow. Imagine if a top director had a trillion dollar "budget".

tough old man wrote:I've always thought the "Starship Trooper " route was the correct path.

Gender neutral showers?

I agree completely.

Turdacious wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

climber511 wrote:

nafod wrote:

tough old man wrote:I've always thought the "Starship Trooper " route was the correct path.

It has an obviousness to it.

So should you have to have served in the military to vote for your local school board? Or mayor? Or vote on a referendum to build a park? What if you are a small town where hardly anyone is a vet in the first place?

I live in a small town - almost everyone was a vet.

Women too? What about mom who stays home to raise the kids?

I'll flip it around. Voting is a responsibility. No vote and you get fined and have to pick up trash along the highway.

If women want true equality (like they claim) yes. If not, shut the fuck up and make me a sandwitch.

The last thing we need is more retards voting.

Case and point: http://www.statecollege.com/news/local- ... p,1410613/

I tried to call Pappy & Bolt for a hit job, but my P&B sky signal spotlight was inop.

JDub wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:In my opinion, you have to have some skin in the game to have the right to vote. The fact that we allow 18 yr. olds, government employees and welfare recipients to vote blows my mind. These people have absolutely no skin in the game and actually benefit from the looting of the nation’s treasury..

You are a fucking idiot.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Instead of assigning voting rights by arbitrary wealth, race, class, gender or age; I say we assign voting rights by action and the willingness to sacrifice your life in defense of the country. ..

Stupid.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Also, fuck this talk of cops, firefights, teachers etc. When they have to live under the UCMJ, live under the same working conditions, and receive the same benefits as the military we can talk. Until then they are scum sucking government lay a bouts...

Grow up. Your constant bashing of police officers is ignorant. They are not all thugs with badges. And I am qualified to speak on this shit because I am a former cop. Im not going to even begin to bullshit either, I started out as a good cop trying to do the right thing and ended up not giving a fuck and started doing bad shit. Thats why I am no longer a cop, because the bad caught up to me. And guess what? Not a one of those fucking thugs with badges covered for me or tried to help me get out of trouble. So fuck your opinion. Yeah there are bad, dirty ass, lazy ass, dumb ass cops out there, and lots of them. But there are lots that are there to do their job and want to do right by others, and they just hope to make it home at night. To sit and think all these guys are in some evil boys club is fucking stupid. Stop watching tv. I gather you are an attorney or in some way involved with the criminal justice system. Figures. And the hate for fire fighters, emt's, teachers, etc. whatever. Get off of your fucking soap box and stop being a pretentious cunt. You couldnt carry most of these guys jock straps. Maybe the Swiss will take your faggoty ass since you hate the US so much.

Wrong thread retard. I never mentioned once the thugish behavior of police. And save us the tales of "hoping to get home at night". That bullshit doesn't survive one internet search. Sorry, you're not special, you're not a soldier and you're particularly bright. Your post is one gigantic logical fallacy.

Police, Fire Fighters, teachers are not the same as soldiers. When they get deployed like soldiers, live under the UCMJ as soldiers, and receive the same benefits as soldiers come back with your sob story.

As for who could or couldn't hold someones jock. I'll compare my DD214 against the average cop any day.

Had to do some google fu to understnd the DD214 reference.So,I learnt something today as well!

Batboy2/75 wrote:

JDub wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:In my opinion, you have to have some skin in the game to have the right to vote. The fact that we allow 18 yr. olds, government employees and welfare recipients to vote blows my mind. These people have absolutely no skin in the game and actually benefit from the looting of the nation’s treasury..

You are a fucking idiot.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Instead of assigning voting rights by arbitrary wealth, race, class, gender or age; I say we assign voting rights by action and the willingness to sacrifice your life in defense of the country. ..

Stupid.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Also, fuck this talk of cops, firefights, teachers etc. When they have to live under the UCMJ, live under the same working conditions, and receive the same benefits as the military we can talk. Until then they are scum sucking government lay a bouts...

Grow up. Your constant bashing of police officers is ignorant. They are not all thugs with badges. And I am qualified to speak on this shit because I am a former cop. Im not going to even begin to bullshit either, I started out as a good cop trying to do the right thing and ended up not giving a fuck and started doing bad shit. Thats why I am no longer a cop, because the bad caught up to me. And guess what? Not a one of those fucking thugs with badges covered for me or tried to help me get out of trouble. So fuck your opinion. Yeah there are bad, dirty ass, lazy ass, dumb ass cops out there, and lots of them. But there are lots that are there to do their job and want to do right by others, and they just hope to make it home at night. To sit and think all these guys are in some evil boys club is fucking stupid. Stop watching tv. I gather you are an attorney or in some way involved with the criminal justice system. Figures. And the hate for fire fighters, emt's, teachers, etc. whatever. Get off of your fucking soap box and stop being a pretentious cunt. You couldnt carry most of these guys jock straps. Maybe the Swiss will take your faggoty ass since you hate the US so much.

Wrong thread retard. I never mentioned once the thugish behavior of police. And save us the tales of "hoping to get home at night". That bullshit doesn't survive one internet search. Sorry, you're not special, you're not a soldier and you're particularly bright. Your post is one gigantic logical fallacy.

[bold]Police, Fire Fighters, teachers are not the same as soldiers. When they get deployed like soldiers, live under the UCMJ as soldiers, and receive the same benefits as soldiers remote[\bold]

As for who could or couldn't hold someones jock. I'll compare my DD214 against the average cop any day.

You are right. We serve a completely different purpose. That doesn't mean that we are scum nor are we any less than a soldier.

Dunn wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote: Also, fuck this talk of cops, firefights, teachers etc. Until then they are scum sucking government lay a bouts.

Please feel free to tell the firefighters and paramedics that are working on your loved one after the go into cardiac arrest that they are scum sucking government layabouts. Get over yourself.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:For most, the military is a fucking job, no more,no less. We can put in an exception that combat vets retain their rights for life, as do other folks who are disabled during their work.

And horseshit, the military is full of fuck ups and cruisers who would rip off anything they could get away with, and would be pleased to scam the taxpayers out of as much monetary benefits as possible

Seriously, would you just suck any soldiers cock for them signing up? Because you sure as hell sound like you're saying soldiers can do no wrong.

A naturalized, Muslim business owner who pays his taxes, and employs 3 other people is doing more for the US than most military personnel.

Agreed. Growing up in a base town, a fair number of folks I grew up wit joined. While I appreciate their willingness to serve, their main motivation was that they had no other options besides working at walmart or some bs due to their shitty test scores and general don't give a fuck attitude. Hell, I a probably more aware and appreciative, initially at least, than they are since they are just looking at the short term pay check being better than working at some hick gas station.

I'm not stating military members can do no wrong. I'm saying that you can not have 9% of the population assume all the risk of a nations wars or "police" actions. I'm also stating that LEO, Fire Fighters and teachers should not be held in the same light as the military. When a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman etc. raises their hand a gives the oath they are immediately placed under the UCMJ. The Government owns them. It doesn't matter a hill of beans if they signed up to be a desk jocky, mechanic, or cook; if Uncle sam needs Infantrymen, he'll reassign your REMF ass in a heart beat. No court appeal or Union will get your ass out of that mess. Name one other profession that their can reclassify your job, send you into combat and if you refuse they can shoot you?

Whether they know it or not, when someone enlists in the military, they have placed their lives (even if it's remote) on the line for the rest of society. That is the Key difference.

Nor am I saying people shouldn't honor a FireFighters or teachers service. However, don't try to make it to the same thing as military service. It's apples and oranges.

It can't be purly by military service, not everyone should be in the military.

The point is you do something DIRECTLY for your nation, state or community and no, being MeMaw to a bunch of brats does not count to the right of Franchise.

This is why someone in the Military should get it the fastest, someone in Emergency Services is next, those in Medical come after and those in education come last. There are a lot of options there, you could volunteer with the nearest Vol FD while in college and be a full on citizen when you get out.

Life and Limb, Peoples shit and viscera or a shit load of time helping others to grow.

Originally you had to own land or pay to vote. That was too far into the hands of the rich, it can't be about monetary worth but what you are willing to give. What we have now is killing the Republic.

Sure many in those professions go into it out of what they see as a lck of options, so what? They still sign and they can all find themselves in the shit. Many guys and gals who thought signing up for the REMF patrol would keep them out of action have found themselves with a rifle, shooting people who just killed 3 of their comrades.

I had a friend who went into Logistics who found himself going out with the SF team at his firebase because of the way he jumped into a fight one night, you never know?

Patton pressed Cooks into the Infantry a few times in WW2 and in Korea, there werer cases of every swinging dick in green grabbing a gun and slowing down the Dinks.

But a man/woman who runs into a burning building is just as fucking brave and he/she is serving their community, paid or not they serve, I just think it's not with the same absolute "You will take that hill no matter how many of you I kill!" of the military/ One fire-fighters appraisal of my brother's heroics points out a difference. You can let a house go when it;s too bad but history is full of men being thrown into the shit until the objective is taken with zero concern for their lives, Mission, Mission and Mission.

Batboy2/75 wrote:I'm also stating that LEO, Fire Fighters and teachers should not be held in the same light as the military. When a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman etc. raises their hand a gives the oath they are immediately placed under the UCMJ.

Someone doing something voluntarily...should they be held in lower regard than those doing it because they were ordered to and are under the UCMJ?

Secret Service agents aren't under the UCMJ, but they throw themselves into the line of fire.

The teachers who were shot in Sandy Hook were found protecting those children. Not under the UCMJ either. I guess we could grant them posthumous voting rights.

The best don't need to be ordered to do the right thing in the first place, military or civvie.

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:I'm also stating that LEO, Fire Fighters and teachers should not be held in the same light as the military. When a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman etc. raises their hand a gives the oath they are immediately placed under the UCMJ.

Someone doing something voluntarily...should they be held in lower regard than those doing it because they were ordered to and are under the UCMJ?

Secret Service agents aren't under the UCMJ, but they throw themselves into the line of fire.

The teachers who were shot in Sandy Hook were found protecting those children. Not under the UCMJ either. I guess we could grant them posthumous voting rights.

The best don't need to be ordered to do the right thing in the first place, military or civvie.

The Secret Service guy can quit anytime he wants. His boss can not confine him to quarters (the barracks) for week or months as part of administrative discipline. If the president's protective detail runs away and leaves the president unprotected, can they be shot? No.

The teacher will never be reassigned to the local PD to pull campus security or sent to the cafateria to pull lunch lady duty. Her contract and local union make sure of that. As for the sandy hook example; no one expects the teacher to take a bullet as part of her job. If the teacher stood in the middle of the room frozen with fear, no one would have said shit to her.

The Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman can not quit. There is no union to complain too if they get reassigned to an Infantry Unit or handed a rifle and told to go on patrol. They can be prosecuted and even shot if they turn tail and run from the enemy. They are all property of the US government.

That is why they are different from regular civil servants.

So Darf and Batty are fascists and you people somehow managed to get worked up because the craziest star in Hollywood said some crazy shit?

Jesus, go look at tits or something.

milosz wrote:So Darf and Batty are fascists and you people somehow managed to get worked up because the craziest star in Hollywood said some crazy shit?

Jesus, go look at tits or something.

Hey, the mouth breather decided to show up!

Sick burn, bro.

Stuff that overpaid nitwits like Cruise say don't bother me, because one of my central tenets to live by is "Everything a celebrity says is wrong."

I never said LEO's should be held in the same light as soldiers you stupid fuck. And I agree they should not. That still doesn't make them or the others you listed any less important. As for your opinion of me I couldn't care less, you know jack shit about me. I've read numerous posts from you and your fucking high and mighty attitude. As far as I'm concerned you're a waste of flesh. Take your DD214 and cram it up your faggoty ass. You're obviously of superior intellect to everyone here and I'm assuming you have the superior elite tactical prowess to match so I will walk away from this argument, while I still can in one piece, you tough guy.

Turdacious wrote:

Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:this thread is terrible.

We haven't even approached terrible yet.

It's in range a lot closer than I thought it would be.

I figured 3 pages or so, but Darf got to it, and the decline has been pretty quick.

JDub wrote:I never said LEO's should be held in the same light as soldiers you stupid fuck. And I agree they should not. That still doesn't make them or the others you listed any less important. As for your opinion of me I couldn't care less, you know jack shit about me. I've read numerous posts from you and your fucking high and mighty attitude. As far as I'm concerned you're a waste of flesh. Take your DD214 and cram it up your faggoty ass. You're obviously of superior intellect to everyone here and I'm assuming you have the superior elite tactical prowess to match so I will walk away from this argument, while I still can in one piece, you tough guy.

Let's cut to the chase.

You and your kind like to ape the tactics and equipment of the military. The big key difference is the military abusues and kills the enemies of of country. You and your kind instead abuse and kill your own countrymen. To top things off, you're not content with playing soldier, you want the same type of accolades. "That still doesn't make them (LEO) or the others you listed any less important" said the snivling bitch.

You guessed it dumbass; I do have superior elite tactical powess to match! You wanted to see who could carry whos jock? You wanted to have a dick measuring contest? I win. I spent 5 years in Special Operations doing things you and your kind can only dream of, let alone do. So take your participation trophy, go sit down the with teachers and shut the fuck up.

You, like all the boys in blue, want to be special. You're not.