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baffled wrote: In contrast, Iceland just had its first ever death as a result of a police shooting. Ever.

Bedlam 1946 wrote:

baffled wrote: In contrast, Iceland just had its first ever death as a result of a police shooting. Ever.

I hope police departments will re-evaluate their training in dealing with mentally ill people. This sort of thing happens way too much. A review of the following rule is in order too: "Be sure of your target and what is behind it."

Cops trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man with a long rap sheet accidentally shot two female bystanders outside Port Authority Bus Terminal on Saturday night, source said.

Theodora Ray, 54, was struck in her leg — breaking two bones in her calf — as she stood leaning on her four-wheeled walker across from the terminal; Sahara Khoshakhlagh, 35, was grazed in her buttocks.

Two cops pulled off a total of three shots in the mistaken belief that the deranged Glen Broadnax, 35, was armed after he reached into his pocket as they approached him, officials said.

Turdacious wrote:This thing's gonna get ugly.

Cops trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man with a long rap sheet accidentally shot two female bystanders outside Port Authority Bus Terminal on Saturday night, source said.

Theodora Ray, 54, was struck in her leg — breaking two bones in her calf — as she stood leaning on her four-wheeled walker across from the terminal; Sahara Khoshakhlagh, 35, was grazed in her buttocks.

Two cops pulled off a total of three shots in the mistaken belief that the deranged Glen Broadnax, 35, was armed after he reached into his pocket as they approached him, officials said.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/cops-accid ... ubdue-man/

Shooting bystanders is probably the bigger issue here.

baffled wrote:

Turdacious wrote:This thing's gonna get ugly.

Cops trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man with a long rap sheet accidentally shot two female bystanders outside Port Authority Bus Terminal on Saturday night, source said.

Theodora Ray, 54, was struck in her leg — breaking two bones in her calf — as she stood leaning on her four-wheeled walker across from the terminal; Sahara Khoshakhlagh, 35, was grazed in her buttocks.

Two cops pulled off a total of three shots in the mistaken belief that the deranged Glen Broadnax, 35, was armed after he reached into his pocket as they approached him, officials said.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/cops-accid ... ubdue-man/

Shooting bystanders is probably the bigger issue here.

Ummm, yeah, that's exactly it.

They're trying to shrug off any accountability the cops should face by blaming the unarmed guy.

Turdacious wrote:

baffled wrote:

Turdacious wrote:This thing's gonna get ugly.

Cops trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man with a long rap sheet accidentally shot two female bystanders outside Port Authority Bus Terminal on Saturday night, source said.

Theodora Ray, 54, was struck in her leg — breaking two bones in her calf — as she stood leaning on her four-wheeled walker across from the terminal; Sahara Khoshakhlagh, 35, was grazed in her buttocks.

Two cops pulled off a total of three shots in the mistaken belief that the deranged Glen Broadnax, 35, was armed after he reached into his pocket as they approached him, officials said.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/cops-accid ... ubdue-man/

Shooting bystanders is probably the bigger issue here.

Ummm, yeah, that's exactly it.

They're trying to shrug off any accountability the cops should face by blaming the unarmed guy.

I haven't seen a tape on it, but if they reasonably thought he was about to fire on them (taking into account his history as a violent criminal), the shooting was reasonable. The cops don't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Hitting bystanders with 2 of 3 shots is a big issue though.

baffled wrote:

Turdacious wrote:I haven't seen a tape on it, but if they reasonably thought he was about to fire on them (taking into account his history as a violent criminal), the shooting was reasonable. The cops don't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Hitting bystanders with 2 of 3 shots is a big issue though.

They took him down with a taser. Why not pop him with that earlier on? Did the cops know who he was when they arrived? He reached into his sweatshirt or pants pocket, why not zap him then?

Does the NYPD have other non/less lethal options available to cops patrolling in cruisers? Did they arrive in a patrol car or were they on foot?

Unless any of those questions can be, or already have been, answered, then none of this was reasonable.

Cops too often show themselves to have terrible judgment regarding when to exercise lethal force. This looks like another unjustified shooting by incompetent cops.

As long as you ignore the fact that the shooting victims were innocent bystanders, hitting two people with three shots represents unusual excellence in marksmanship for the NYPD, matching another recent incident in which skilled NYPD officers were able to hit their target and nine bystanders with only 16 bullets. Overall the NYPD usually requires about 331 rounds to hit 54 targets, of which 14 will be innocent bystanders, 24 will be dogs, and 16 will be people the NYPD was actually aiming at.

[Initially Mr. Broadnax was arrested on misdemeanor charges of menacing, drug possession and resisting arrest. But the Manhattan district attorney’s office persuaded a grand jury to charge Mr. Broadnax with assault, a felony carrying a maximum sentence of 25 years. Specifically, the nine-count indictment unsealed on Wednesday said Mr. Broadnax “recklessly engaged in conduct which created a grave risk of death.”

“The defendant is the one that created the situation that injured innocent bystanders,” said an assistant district attorney, Shannon Lucey.

This is perfectly fair. Look, Mr. Broadnax, you know how the NYPD is. They love the people of New York. They just . . . they just get stressed out and angry sometimes. Why do you have to make them angry like that? Look what you made them do now. Look what you made them do.

Turdacious wrote:

baffled wrote:

Turdacious wrote:I haven't seen a tape on it, but if they reasonably thought he was about to fire on them (taking into account his history as a violent criminal), the shooting was reasonable. The cops don't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Hitting bystanders with 2 of 3 shots is a big issue though.

They took him down with a taser. Why not pop him with that earlier on? Did the cops know who he was when they arrived? He reached into his sweatshirt or pants pocket, why not zap him then?

Does the NYPD have other non/less lethal options available to cops patrolling in cruisers? Did they arrive in a patrol car or were they on foot?

Unless any of those questions can be, or already have been, answered, then none of this was reasonable.

Cops too often show themselves to have terrible judgment regarding when to exercise lethal force. This looks like another unjustified shooting by incompetent cops.

You are ignoring half of the issue-- the shooting of bystanders with 2 of 3 shots. That's a bigger issue. Nobody is arguing that they handled it well. If a guy breaks into your house, gets you to believe he has a weapon and that your life is in danger, and you shoot him-- you have cause to do so. Cops should be held to a similar standard.

Regarding the question being answered, it has been-- by the DA. Whether or not it was a good answer is still an open question. There were probably cameras there, and bystanders were shot. The courts will decide, and it doesn't look good for the NYPD based on the article I cited.