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The scientific team on board the research ship — which left New Zealand on Nov. 28 — had been recreating Australian explorer Douglas Mawson's century-old voyage to Antarctica when it became trapped. They plan to continue their expedition after they are freed, expedition leader Chris Turney said.

Glad to see that this hasn't interfered with their sense of entitlement.

meanwhile

Adding to the growing evidence of climate change-induced poleward migration and/or expansion of many fish and terrestrial plant species, a paper published recently in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal has found a massive expansion of mangroves in Florida.

dead man walking wrote:meanwhile

Adding to the growing evidence of climate change-induced poleward migration and/or expansion of many fish and terrestrial plant species, a paper published recently in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal has found a massive expansion of mangroves in Florida.

You gotta start sourcing quotes DMW.

Does anyone actually believe the climate is supposed to stay the same?

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:Does anyone actually believe the climate is supposed to stay the same?

Astoundingly, despite all evidence to the contrary, it seems like many people do.

Some of our supposedly scientifical progressives seem to look at the ideal temperature as what it was 50 or 100 years ago. A large percentage of those in the US & Europe are thinking these thoughts in a location that was beneath a mile of ice a mere 10K years ago.

Turdacious wrote:

dead man walking wrote:meanwhile

Adding to the growing evidence of climate change-induced poleward migration and/or expansion of many fish and terrestrial plant species, a paper published recently in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal has found a massive expansion of mangroves in Florida.

You gotta start sourcing quotes DMW.

turd,

the quotation says the source is a paper published "in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal." I didn't expect anyone to go read it--i didn't. i was just offering a scientific finding in the response to a random news story that tells us nothing about where the climate is headed.

as for the climate's remaining static, of course there has been climatic variation over the course of pre-history and history. it is only recently that humans have become a geophysical force, altering the climate in ways that pose costly risks to society worldwide.

dead man walking wrote: I didn't expect anyone to go read it--i didn't.

Ok.

The mixing inferred from observations appears to be sufficiently strong to imply a climate sensitivity of more than 3 degrees for a doubling of carbon dioxide. This is significantly higher than the currently accepted lower bound of 1.5 degrees, thereby constraining model projections towards relatively severe future warming.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v5 ... 12829.html

Commentary on article in above link: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ew=desktop

..unless emissions of greenhouse gases were cut, the planet would heat up by a minimum of 4C by 2100, twice the level the world's governments deem dangerous.

"4C would likely be catastrophic rather than simply dangerous," Sherwood told the Guardian. "For example, it would make life difficult, if not impossible, in much of the tropics, and would guarantee the eventual melting of the Greenland ice sheet and some of the Antarctic ice sheet", with sea levels rising by many metres as a result.

Of course, if you needed to zip your jacket yesterday, it probably means that the above is pure BS.

Given that a lot of the previous predictions were not exactly correct (i.e. scientifically invalid), and used faulty and deliberately falsified data, it's a little hard to take that one seriously.

Besides, the big threat is not us.



Climate change efforts are misplaced.

Use da google skills and find out about the British "pitted windshield" hysteria in the 1950s.

Remember also when so much money was going into research grants for AIDs in the 1980s.

Also the Seattle pitted windshield epidemic of 1954.

Ya gotta BELIEVE GJ.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pZSvq9bto[/youtube]

I just read enough science, studies and journals to be extremely skeptical of conclusions based on a "consensus".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1672541590

All the article says is Amgen is having a hell of a time getting definitive results from cancer studies.
Not unique at all in all branches of science.

The re-re-redefining of what is climate change and its causes makes me suspicious.

Again, remember Firesign theater:

"Everything you know is wrong"

Gary John wrote:I just read enough science, studies and journals to be extremely skeptical of conclusions based on a "consensus".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1672541590

All the article says is Amgen is having a hell of a time getting definitive results from cancer studies.
Not unique at all in all branches of science.

The re-re-redefining of what is climate change and its causes makes me suspicious.

Again, remember Firesign theater:

"Everything you know is wrong"

Another red flag is the fact that every one of their cures for global warming etc, is socialism.

^ And then they wonder why your sceptical about this shit.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Gary John wrote:I just read enough science, studies and journals to be extremely skeptical of conclusions based on a "consensus".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1672541590

All the article says is Amgen is having a hell of a time getting definitive results from cancer studies.
Not unique at all in all branches of science.

The re-re-redefining of what is climate change and its causes makes me suspicious.

Again, remember Firesign theater:

"Everything you know is wrong"

Another red flag is the fact that every one of their cures for global warming etc, is socialism.

That seems to be the answer to most all problems, either real or fictional.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Gary John wrote:I just read enough science, studies and journals to be extremely skeptical of conclusions based on a "consensus".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1672541590

All the article says is Amgen is having a hell of a time getting definitive results from cancer studies.
Not unique at all in all branches of science.

The re-re-redefining of what is climate change and its causes makes me suspicious.

Again, remember Firesign theater:

"Everything you know is wrong"

Another red flag is the fact that every one of their cures for global warming etc, is socialism.

I would say the cures resemble communism and totalitarianism more

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Gary John wrote:I just read enough science, studies and journals to be extremely skeptical of conclusions based on a "consensus".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1672541590

All the article says is Amgen is having a hell of a time getting definitive results from cancer studies.
Not unique at all in all branches of science.

The re-re-redefining of what is climate change and its causes makes me suspicious.

Again, remember Firesign theater:

"Everything you know is wrong"

Another red flag is the fact that every one of their cures for global warming etc, is socialism.

It's the tragedy of the commons situation.

Climate is likely changing, no matter who or what is causing it. Question is, what upheavals is it going to cause, and how to deal with those. One solution certainly is survival of the fittest, and if that is the one we default to, guess which side I want to be on.

Americans Spent $7.45B in 3 Years Helping Other Countries Deal With ‘Climate Change’

As always, follow the money. Al Gore has made a fortune (again, old family money already there) off all this.

The great signature of Turd says it all:

The great strength of conservatives is that they are open to the thought that matters are complex.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:Does anyone actually believe the climate is supposed to stay the same?

There's a word for those who do: Reactionaries.

What the climate change industry has definitely done is push relatively high polluting industries to other countries where they've become very high polluting industries. Balance pertains.

Turdacious wrote:

There should be a rush of people moving to the light green areas of that map.

Gary John wrote:

Americans Spent $7.45B in 3 Years Helping Other Countries Deal With ‘Climate Change’

As always, follow the money. Al Gore has made a fortune (again, old family money already there) off all this.

The great signature of Turd says it all:

The great strength of conservatives is that they are open to the thought that matters are complex.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Speaking of which:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T9V2RR7PJI[/youtube]

A Chinese icebreaker that helped rescue 52 passengers from a Russian ship stranded in Antarctic ice found itself stuck in heavy ice on Friday, further complicating the 9-day "roller-coaster" rescue operation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/ ... JX20140103

I'm mostly in the "Climate change is real, but: how bad is it, how much do we have to do with it etc." camp.

We've had a fairly warm winter, for the most part, but we rarely get lower than about 45 around here anyway.