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Heh

I kept thinking "Bux is full of shit" until I finally looked at the right vertical axis for units...

I've honestly never before seen anyone actually turn a graph upside down to make a point.

The fantastic thing is that I've seen that shared three times on Facebook by people who believe it says something it doesn't say.

WildGorillaMan wrote:I've honestly never before seen anyone actually turn a graph upside down to make a point.

As much time has been spent making fun of @Fit, I'm amazed Couch didn't do it first only to have it ridiculed here.

One of you smart fellas explain the correlation please. The subtitle of the chart is "murders" not justifiable homicides or stand your ground related killings/murders.

I'm smelling bullshit but to be honest I've never paid any attention to stand your ground laws outside of how it was misused in the Trayvon vs. Zimmerman debacle.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:One of you smart fellas explain the correlation please. The subtitle of the chart is "murders" not justifiable homicides or stand your ground related killings/murders.

I'm smelling bullshit but to be honest I've never paid any attention to stand your ground laws outside of how it was misused in the Trayvon vs. Zimmerman debacle.

Stand your ground was not used in the Zimmerman defense.

j-cubed wrote:

DrDonkeyLove wrote:One of you smart fellas explain the correlation please. The subtitle of the chart is "murders" not justifiable homicides or stand your ground related killings/murders.

I'm smelling bullshit but to be honest I've never paid any attention to stand your ground laws outside of how it was misused in the Trayvon vs. Zimmerman debacle.

Stand your ground was not used in the Zimmerman defense.

Exactly, yet it was all over the media as an issue. Stevie Wonder threatened to boycott Florida until it's repealed and Rev. Sharpton went into one of his fits over it. I wonder if this graph is as big of a pile of bullshit.

Man, that chart is so many kinds of wrong no matter how you feel about SYG laws. Turn it right side up, chart all homicides and I wonder what you would get.

Oh, and take into account the population of florida went from 13 million in 1990 to 20 million now. How about a per capita chart.

Here's an interesting link to more thorough data:

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/get ... earms.aspx

1973 looks like a good year to get murdered.

Overall murder rate now much less panic-inducing.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:One of you smart fellas explain the correlation please. The subtitle of the chart is "murders" not justifiable homicides or stand your ground related killings/murders.

I'm smelling bullshit but to be honest I've never paid any attention to stand your ground laws outside of how it was misused in the Trayvon vs. Zimmerman debacle.

One thing that people ignore is that most states that passed SYG laws never had a duty to retreat. The laws changed less than most people think.

Schlegel wrote:Here's an interesting link to more thorough data:

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/get ... earms.aspx

1973 looks like a good year to get murdered.

Overall murder rate now much less panic-inducing.

Better data, better chart
I feel like finding who created the original posted chart and de-frauding him

I've seen it on several places online so it's likely true.

Pinky wrote:

DrDonkeyLove wrote:One of you smart fellas explain the correlation please. The subtitle of the chart is "murders" not justifiable homicides or stand your ground related killings/murders.

I'm smelling bullshit but to be honest I've never paid any attention to stand your ground laws outside of how it was misused in the Trayvon vs. Zimmerman debacle.

One thing that people ignore is that most states that passed SYG laws never had a duty to retreat. The laws changed less than most people think.

Duty to retreat was traditionally part of the common law, not statute.

buckethead wrote:

Schlegel wrote:Here's an interesting link to more thorough data:

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/get ... earms.aspx

1973 looks like a good year to get murdered.

Overall murder rate now much less panic-inducing.

Better data, better chart

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I feel like finding who created the original posted chart and de-frauding him

Stand your ground covers the use of bad powerpoints too.

Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:

Pinky wrote:

DrDonkeyLove wrote:One of you smart fellas explain the correlation please. The subtitle of the chart is "murders" not justifiable homicides or stand your ground related killings/murders.

I'm smelling bullshit but to be honest I've never paid any attention to stand your ground laws outside of how it was misused in the Trayvon vs. Zimmerman debacle.

One thing that people ignore is that most states that passed SYG laws never had a duty to retreat. The laws changed less than most people think.

Duty to retreat was traditionally part of the common law, not statute.

Right, and states in which common law held that there was a duty to retreat were not those that passed SYG laws. This is problem with the two academic articles I've seen on these laws. They don't understand what the "treatment" is. As far as I can tell, the main effect of the laws was sensationalized publicity and protection from the possibility that judges would eventually issue rulings that changed the protections people had.