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Re: how hard is it
My question is-
Why do we even bother with bullshit like lethal injection, or the electric chair, to begin with?
Why can't we just use a good old fashioned firing squad?
Or a guillotine?
Why do we even bother with bullshit like lethal injection, or the electric chair, to begin with?
Why can't we just use a good old fashioned firing squad?
Or a guillotine?
Re: how hard is it
Because then someone has to pull the trigger.
My question is, why can't they just use a shitload of morphine?
My question is, why can't they just use a shitload of morphine?
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Part of the current penalogical trend: execution is supposed to be (a) fast (so ODing on opiates is out) and (b) bloodless (so no firing squad, guillotine, etc.)OCG wrote:Because then someone has to pull the trigger.
My question is, why can't they just use a shitload of morphine?
The fast one is due in part to a desire to avoid death-by-torture (thought I agree that going out on a needle and a spoon sounds a lot nicer than a botched lethal injection, as here). The bloodless one is due mostly to a desire to protect the executioners and witnesses from icky thoughts.
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Couldn't they just sent him on a visit to a farm outside Seattle?
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Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:Part of the current penalogical trend: execution is supposed to be (a) fast (so ODing on opiates is out) and (b) bloodless (so no firing squad, guillotine, etc.)OCG wrote:Because then someone has to pull the trigger.
My question is, why can't they just use a shitload of morphine?
The fast one is due in part to a desire to avoid death-by-torture (thought I agree that going out on a needle and a spoon sounds a lot nicer than a botched lethal injection, as here). The bloodless one is due mostly to a desire to protect the executioners and witnesses from icky thoughts.
This is a bingo..
Opiate overdose is not always humane. (not an IGX consideration but a legal one) Many simply die of asphyxiation on their own vomit. People are remarkably good at not dying when it comes right to it.
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The emotional contortions humans go through to put a kinder and gentler face on violent, life terminating acts shows what a weird and conflicted species we are.
9mm to the base of the brain pan would be quick, painless, cheap and effective. Instead we fuck around with electrical contraptions, elaborate gas chambers, and exotic chemical concoctions.
We are some damn odd chimpmanzees.
9mm to the base of the brain pan would be quick, painless, cheap and effective. Instead we fuck around with electrical contraptions, elaborate gas chambers, and exotic chemical concoctions.
We are some damn odd chimpmanzees.
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Re: how hard is it
Because the pussies in society don't want to see the sausage being made.Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:My question is-
Why do we even bother with bullshit like lethal injection, or the electric chair, to begin with?
Why can't we just use a good old fashioned firing squad?
Or a guillotine?
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Re: how hard is it
why don't you follow you typical approach in these matters and cite the constitution? the 8th amendment says we won't make sausage when executing people, albeit in slightly different terms.
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Re: how hard is it
You just made my status update.Batboy2/75 wrote:Because the pussies in society don't want to see the sausage being made.Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:My question is-
Why do we even bother with bullshit like lethal injection, or the electric chair, to begin with?
Why can't we just use a good old fashioned firing squad?
Or a guillotine?
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IGX has a long history of giving a fuck about decades of jurisprudence when it comes to 3 or 4 of the Amendments....the 8th, not so much. There's also near universal distrust of the State...except in matters of conviction and execution of "the bad people". It's a convenient switch to flip.
There are probably dozens of ways to humanly kill a man, none of which have been settled in court. If due process seems like excessive hand wringing to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable under Sharia law.
There are probably dozens of ways to humanly kill a man, none of which have been settled in court. If due process seems like excessive hand wringing to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable under Sharia law.
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Blaidd Drwg wrote:IGX has a long history of giving a fuck about decades of jurisprudence when it comes to 3 or 4 of the Amendments....the 8th, not so much. There's also near universal distrust of the State...except in matters of conviction and execution of "the bad people". It's a convenient switch to flip.
There are probably dozens of ways to humanly kill a man, none of which have been settled in court. If due process seems like excessive hand wringing to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable under Sharia law.

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If it was my choice, I'd go out like Gilmore. Screw the drugs, electricity or hanging.
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Blaidd Drwg wrote:IGX has a long history of giving a fuck about decades of jurisprudence when it comes to 3 or 4 of the Amendments....the 8th, not so much. There's also near universal distrust of the State...except in matters of conviction and execution of "the bad people". It's a convenient switch to flip. There are probably dozens of ways to humanly kill a man, none of which have been settled in court. If due process seems like excessive hand wringing to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable under Sharia law.
Shut your mouth. You are disrupting the "Obama is coming for my guns" circlejerk.
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Except there isn't. The same people around here who have no problem with the death penalty pretty universally disagree with the Mary Sue Terry argument, and likely would have no problem with corrupt prosecutors sharing the same fate as those they unfairly sentence.Blaidd Drwg wrote:IGX has a long history of giving a fuck about decades of jurisprudence when it comes to 3 or 4 of the Amendments....the 8th, not so much. There's also near universal distrust of the State...except in matters of conviction and execution of "the bad people". It's a convenient switch to flip.
There are probably dozens of ways to humanly kill a man, none of which have been settled in court. If due process seems like excessive hand wringing to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable under Sharia law.
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Nay nay, don't stop the "(insert tyrant's name here) is coming for my guns circle jerk". Add additional circle jerks. I confess that I didn't know that something that outrages me was an 8th amendment issue - Civil Forfeiture abuseJonny Canuck wrote:Blaidd Drwg wrote:IGX has a long history of giving a fuck about decades of jurisprudence when it comes to 3 or 4 of the Amendments....the 8th, not so much. There's also near universal distrust of the State...except in matters of conviction and execution of "the bad people". It's a convenient switch to flip. There are probably dozens of ways to humanly kill a man, none of which have been settled in court. If due process seems like excessive hand wringing to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable under Sharia law.
Shut your mouth. You are disrupting the "Obama is coming for my guns" circlejerk.
The Google machine will amply shows what a money generating scam it is.
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Add'l sourcesWhat pattern of behavior supposedly aroused the suspicions of a federal government that is ignorant of how small businesses function? Terry and Sandy regularly make deposits of less than $10,000 in the bank across the street. Federal law, aimed primarily at money laundering by drug dealers, requires banks to report cash deposits of more than $10,000. It also makes it illegal to “structure” deposits to evade such reporting.
Because 35 percent of Schott’s Supermarket’s receipts are in cash, Terry and Sandy make frequent trips to the bank to avoid tempting actual criminals by having large sums at the store. Besides, their insurance policy covers no cash loss in excess of $10,000.
In 2010 and 2012, IRS agents visited the store and examined Terry’s and Sandy’s conduct. In 2012, the IRS notified them that it identified “no violations” of banking laws. But on Jan. 22, 2013, Terry and Sandy discovered that the IRS had obtained a secret warrant and emptied the store’s bank account. Sandy says that if the IRS had acted “the day before, there would have been only about $2,000 in the account.” Should we trust that today’s IRS was just lucky in its timing?
The IRS used “civil forfeiture,” the power to seize property suspected of being produced by, or involved with, crime. The IRS could have dispelled its suspicions of Terry and Sandy, if it actually had any, by simply asking them about the reasons — prudence, and the insurance limit — for their banking practices. It had, however, a reason not to ask obvious questions before proceeding.
The civil forfeiture law — if something so devoid of due process can be dignified as law — is an incentive for perverse behavior: Predatory government agencies get to pocket the proceeds from property they seize from Americans without even charging them with, let alone convicting them of, crimes. Criminals are treated better than this because they lose the fruits of their criminality only after being convicted.
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The first thing I thought about when the colts owner got arrested was if his cash was seized. Does anyone know if it was? I think Richard Sherman questioned what would have happened if a player got busted with illegal drugs and $30k in cash.DrDonkeyLove wrote: Nay nay, don't stop the "(insert tyrant's name here) is coming for my guns circle jerk". Add additional circle jerks. I confess that I didn't know that something that outrages me was an 8th amendment issue - Civil Forfeiture abuse The Google machine will amply shows what a money generating scam it is. George Will & Washington Post in an article I read earlier this week share IRS fun and games w/an immigrant grocer. Add'l sources Super Lib New Yorker: Local gov't get stealy w/the poor. ACLU
Not trying to hijack this thread.
Re: how hard is it
Where is the guarantee that an execution be pain free?
I mildly oppose capital punishment on other grounds. But, to paraphrase Scalia, no one is assured a painless death.
I mildly oppose capital punishment on other grounds. But, to paraphrase Scalia, no one is assured a painless death.
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I oppose the death penalty on those same grounds as you Johno, but at it's core, the 8th is intended to prevent against cruel punishments. In this case of the OP, some cruelty might be deemed necessary by IGX bystanders and I'd hardly disagree. In an age where we have the capability to snuff someone as quiet as a whisper in their sleep or to accidentally decapitate them by inadequate tied nooses, reasonable minds might allow the issue to be debated a bit. That debate is the proverbial sausage making so few people seem comfortable with.
If we all decide that a bolt gun in the night on a random day is neither cruel nor unusual, and that it's a reasonable thing to ask of a federal employee to do that...well then I'm all for it philosophically.
I'll not lose an ounce of sleep over those whinging they should be allowed to disembowel pederasts as a public spectacle because the gosh darn Constitution won't allow it...
If we all decide that a bolt gun in the night on a random day is neither cruel nor unusual, and that it's a reasonable thing to ask of a federal employee to do that...well then I'm all for it philosophically.
I'll not lose an ounce of sleep over those whinging they should be allowed to disembowel pederasts as a public spectacle because the gosh darn Constitution won't allow it...
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Sadly, in the past I've had to put to sleep a few cats and dogs (goddamn, it's something you can never get past completely; I'm sure some of you would understand the feeling) and, in my opinion, it was a very humane way to approach the subject. If I recall correctly, it was a single injection of some kind of anaesthetic (gentle overdose, it seemed).
I fail to see why we won't use the same system on humans, most of them guilty of henious crimes, and who would deserve long, painful deaths. But instead this would provide a humane way to end their miserable lives.
I'm kinda against the death penalty because killing a child rapist/murderer doesn't solve anything but, maybe, fullfilling a primal craving for justice (Talion's law). But there's a way that could ensure the scumbag gave back something to society before he finally croaked: there are hundreds of clinical studies and trials from all around the world that could use human guinea pigs to try new drugs which could potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives every year.
We could finally try those new-gen HIV, cancer and parkinson drugs and see whether they are working or not. Those fuckers would get to live much longer than they deserve and maybe some of them could live the full length of their natural lives.
I fail to see why we won't use the same system on humans, most of them guilty of henious crimes, and who would deserve long, painful deaths. But instead this would provide a humane way to end their miserable lives.
I'm kinda against the death penalty because killing a child rapist/murderer doesn't solve anything but, maybe, fullfilling a primal craving for justice (Talion's law). But there's a way that could ensure the scumbag gave back something to society before he finally croaked: there are hundreds of clinical studies and trials from all around the world that could use human guinea pigs to try new drugs which could potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives every year.
We could finally try those new-gen HIV, cancer and parkinson drugs and see whether they are working or not. Those fuckers would get to live much longer than they deserve and maybe some of them could live the full length of their natural lives.
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Knock them out with some simple drug add a pinch of muscle relaxer and put them in a deep freezer.
I see freezing to death as pretty peaceful, as long as you lack awareness during the big cool down.
Easy clean up, no sausage making here, probably pretty boring to watch.
I see freezing to death as pretty peaceful, as long as you lack awareness during the big cool down.
Easy clean up, no sausage making here, probably pretty boring to watch.
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no cruel punishments are allowed. some commentators include pain in the definition of cruel. your note mentions scalia's view on pain, but have the supremes opined on painful executions? if the method of killing were to cause pain and suffering, do you think it would eventually be stricken from the list of acceptable ways to execute?johno wrote:Where is the guarantee that an execution be pain free?
I mildly oppose capital punishment on other grounds. But, to paraphrase Scalia, no one is assured a painless death.
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This is a pretty damn good idea.Anon wrote:Knock them out with some simple drug add a pinch of muscle relaxer and put them in a deep freezer.
I see freezing to death as pretty peaceful, as long as you lack awareness during the big cool down.
Easy clean up, no sausage making here, probably pretty boring to watch.
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For those convicted of a heinous crime, and found guilty well beyond a reasonable doubt-- like Jeffrey Dahmer, the guys who dragged James Byrd to death, or Judge Mark Ciavarella, there should be a lottery for who gets to pull the switch. Money would go to pay off the national debt. Win, win.
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