how hard is it

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:12 am

There's the not so trifling matter that the justice system gets it wrong. A lot. Putting an innocent man to death is a helluva thing, doing it in a way that causes excessive suffering is a harder thing to swallow.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:15 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Due process and the Constitution are such an inconvient stumbling blocks.

They had due process and neither firing squad nor hangman's noose are unusual or cruel in the context of punishing a brutal rapist and murderer.

Sassenach · Post by **Sassenach** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:16 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:There's the not so trifling matter that the justice system gets it wrong. A lot. Putting an innocent man to death is a helluva thing, doing it in a way that causes excessive suffering is a harder thing to swallow.

This is why I don't think governments should be in the execution business.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:23 am

Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.

Sassenach · Post by **Sassenach** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:29 am

Fat Cat wrote:Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.

Everyone dies eventually, Herr Fatty.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:37 am

Jezzy Bell wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:There's the not so trifling matter that the justice system gets it wrong. A lot. Putting an innocent man to death is a helluva thing, doing it in a way that causes excessive suffering is a harder thing to swallow.
This is why I don't think governments should be in the execution business.

Let me get this straight: if a government can't do something with 100% success rate, it shouldn't do it at all? Is that what you're saying? We might as well get out of the law enforcement business altogether, along with the defense, education, sanitation, infrastructure, and environmental quality sectors as well. Right?

The vast majority of people who get executed have it coming. I am all for improving the justice system and addressing inequities. That's just being real and I am fully aware that most police are bums. But neither do I shrink from the reality that some people need killing. People like Lockett.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:52 am

No one suggested any such thing.

Plenty of people warrant killing, how we choose to do it and to whom in the context of a pretty fucked up system is a subject for reasonable debate.

Bud Charniga's grape ape · Fri May 30, 2014 3:09 am

Fat Cat wrote:Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.

Because the bigger you get, the wider you spread?

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri May 30, 2014 4:48 am

Fat Cat wrote: The vast majority of people who get executed have it coming. I am all for improving the justice system and addressing inequities. That's just being real and I am fully aware that most police are bums. But neither do I shrink from the reality that some people need killing. People like Lockett.

It's tough to disagree with any of this.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:00 am

The best statistical guess I've heard is that about 4% of all people on death row are innocent of the crime they are convicted of. So..if you're talking winning season, or GPA, 96% is pretty solid. If you're in the 4%, that's horrific on a scale none of us here can fully imagine.

No rational person can assert that we shouldn't be able to use deadly force in immediate defense of our lives or in ultimate protection of the state. But at the rate we are getting it really wrong in the criminal justice system, I believe we need to fix some shit before we can claim to be responsible enough to mete out the final solution.

SubClaw · Post by **SubClaw** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:02 am

Rear naked choke until brain death seems a good way to gently get rid of society's scumbags. A cheap, fast and humane solution.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:05 am

Here's a link to that study discussion...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... convicted/

Lies. Damn Lies. Statistics and all that. At least these guys took a reasonable swipe at it.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri May 30, 2014 7:23 am

Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.
Because the bigger you get, the wider you spread?

You gotta depend on me now. Your vision is dead.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Sat May 31, 2014 8:00 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.
Because the bigger you get, the wider you spread?
You gotta depend on me now. Your vision is dead.

But I just wanna FUCK!

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Sat May 31, 2014 8:01 am

Jezzy Bell wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.
Everyone dies eventually, Herr Fatty.

Yes but some people need that eventuality moved up.

IGX

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