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Smet wrote:And she is right about healthism, which is slowly becoming analogous to racial purity. People should be free to make their own choices. And they also must deal with consequences, of course, but it is another argument alltogether.

What's wrong with racial purity?

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The look of disbelief and disgust on the redhead in the fourth panel says it all.
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WildGorillaMan wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:Image
The look of disbelief and disgust on the redhead in the fourth panel says it all.
Yep.

I feel for me that I do have an obligation to keep myself healthy. It's not "moral," in like a good or evil sense or whatever, it's different...

I have a body and it's up to me to keep it healthy. It's my responsibility.

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It is all well and good to say that people can look however they want and that we should not judge them. But then you see the cost these people are too society when the consequences of their lifestyle come home to roost. I mean Jesus, the complications from uncontrolled type 2 diabetes alone include neuropathy (chronic pain meds), delayed wound healing (limb amputation), kidney failure (dyalysis), retinopathy (blindness), vascular disease (stroke, heart attack, PAD). These fat fucks sure as shit are not paying for this, medicaid, medicare, and social security/disability are paying for them... Or in other words tax payers. So if they want to be fat, fine, but until they pay for the resulting costs of that choice i will judge them all I damn want.
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Would Outlawing Food Stamps for Soda Pop Reduce Obesity?

That’s what scholars at Stanford University and University of California, San Francisco, concluded in an article in Health Affairs. The authors compare two policies: Banning the use of food stamps for the purchase of soda pop, or giving an extra subsidy of thirty cents on the dollar for the purchase of fruits and vegetables. They conclude that the ban on soda pop would have a greater impact on obesity:

"A ban on sugar-sweetened beverage purchases would be expected to reduce kilocalorie intake from these beverages by a net average of 24.2 kcal per person per day among SNAP participants (95% CI: 22.8, 25.5) — a 15.4 percent decline in calorie consumption from sugar-sweetened beverages, according to our model.

Given this decline in net kilocalorie intake, overall obesity rates declined over the simulated period.

When accounting for baseline type 2 diabetes rate differences among cohorts, our model estimated that the largest type 2 diabetes incidence decline would be expected among adults ages 18–65…"
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I haven't seen the original study (hidden behind paywall), but in his post, Goodman goes on to wonder how prevalent fraud in SNAP is and what role that plays (all based on anecdotal evidence, which he admits).
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CharlieBob wrote:It is all well and good to say that people can look however they want and that we should not judge them. But then you see the cost these people are too society when the consequences of their lifestyle come home to roost. I mean Jesus, the complications from uncontrolled type 2 diabetes alone include neuropathy (chronic pain meds), delayed wound healing (limb amputation), kidney failure (dyalysis), retinopathy (blindness), vascular disease (stroke, heart attack, PAD). These fat fucks sure as shit are not paying for this, medicaid, medicare, and social security/disability are paying for them... Or in other words tax payers. So if they want to be fat, fine, but until they pay for the resulting costs of that choice i will judge them all I damn want.

Similar questions have been raised with other health and lifestyle issues, and if you take the bait you are opening the whole pandora box of shit. This is the prime argument of anti-smoking crusaders. However several robust financial reviews have shown that smokers are cheaper for the society as a whole than non-smokers, or at least not a burden compared. Mostly because they die about ten years earlier than non-smokers and don't drag social security, aged benefits and old age related medical expenses.

Financial analysis of obesity related complications is very complicated and probably impossible. Sure, obesity, type 2 diabetes can lead to complications, though what you listed is typical for type 1 disease. Somehow everyone forgets how "fat fucks" become fat: from food, which is not free. Every burger, packet of chips and bottle of coke carries tax, and so do collateral transactions of food industry, from advertising to transportation and packaging, which goes to the pockets of the government. In other words, the fatties have paid for their medical care many times over in the decades they have been buying food.
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Turdacious wrote:http://healthblog.ncpa.org/would-outlaw ... more-38007

I haven't seen the original study (hidden behind paywall), but in his post, Goodman goes on to wonder how prevalent fraud in SNAP is and what role that plays (all based on anecdotal evidence, which he admits).
Glancing at the original study, my concern is that the effect of a ban on the purchase of sugary drinks with SNAP money is predicted using demand estimates that are identified by much smaller prices changes. I'm not sure how much faith should be placed in those projections.

Their estimates of the (lack of) effect of a subsidy for fruits and vegetables seem more reasonable.
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Smet wrote:Financial analysis of obesity related complications is very complicated and probably impossible. Sure, obesity, type 2 diabetes can lead to complications, though what you listed is typical for type 1 disease. Somehow everyone forgets how "fat fucks" become fat: from food, which is not free. Every burger, packet of chips and bottle of coke carries tax, and so do collateral transactions of food industry, from advertising to transportation and packaging, which goes to the pockets of the government. In other words, the fatties have paid for their medical care many times over in the decades they have been buying food.
That all assumes that the tax revenue collected from food related taxes is greater than the cost of obesity related medical care over a lifetime. That's a very big assumption.
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The rumors are true. Forty-eight Jack in the Box locations around San Antonio are now accepting food-assistance payments for their fast-food meals.

Throughout the week, many locals noticed advertisements promoting the new payment option. Some took photos and posted them on social media.

According to a spokesperson for the franchise, the restaurant chain is in the process of rolling out technology that would allow all of its San Antonio locations to accept Lonestar, EBT, Cash Aid and TANF cards.

The following is a statement released to KENS 5 by the restaurant chain:

"This is a great program for those customers who need financial assistance to help them feed their families, especially for some seniors and those who cannot cook for themselves."
http://www.kens5.com/news/Food-stamps-f ... 14561.html
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WildGorillaMan wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:Image
The look of disbelief and disgust on the redhead in the fourth panel says it all.
I think her non-answer to the question can be interpreted as, "no, I haven't been to the doctor because I don't want to hear that I need to lose weight", or "Yes, I have been to the doctor and he told me to lose 100 lbs. or I'll die".
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Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII[/youtube]
Jesus. Kind of undercuts the whole, "We're conservatives, not complete racists" argument when it comes to limiting access to government assistance.
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Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII[/youtube]
Jesus. Kind of undercuts the whole, "We're conservatives, not complete racists" argument when it comes to limiting access to government assistance.
More like your moral outrage clouds your ability to understand satire.

Our welfare system has created and institutionalized perverse incentives to stay on welfare rather than to get off of it, but if hating people that bring up how the system can be gamed makes you feel better, go for it.
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Turdacious wrote:
Smet wrote:Financial analysis of obesity related complications is very complicated and probably impossible. Sure, obesity, type 2 diabetes can lead to complications, though what you listed is typical for type 1 disease. Somehow everyone forgets how "fat fucks" become fat: from food, which is not free. Every burger, packet of chips and bottle of coke carries tax, and so do collateral transactions of food industry, from advertising to transportation and packaging, which goes to the pockets of the government. In other words, the fatties have paid for their medical care many times over in the decades they have been buying food.
That all assumes that the tax revenue collected from food related taxes is greater than the cost of obesity related medical care over a lifetime. That's a very big assumption.
This part would be quite easy to estimate, but the reality is more complicated than that. Every industry has economic spillover effect and is surrounded by other industry. Selling fast food, for example, involves building, construction, transportation, packaging, marketing, advertising, electricity and water supply, parking revenue, plumbers servicing toilets in the outlets, among myriads of other things. Direct employment with consequent taxes and various employment benefits is another huge area where the economy benefits: the employees don't draw social security and spend money on things, further contributing to the economy. All these effects are difficult to estimate, but overall benefit is very likely to exceed the health expenses attributable to food industry.
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Grandpa's Spells wrote:Jesus. Kind of undercuts the whole, "We're conservatives, not complete racists" argument when it comes to limiting access to government assistance.
More like your moral outrage clouds your ability to understand satire.

Our welfare system has created and institutionalized perverse incentives to stay on welfare rather than to get off of it, but if hating people that bring up how the system can be gamed makes you feel better, go for it.
Uh, that's not satire, and it's too lame to get outraged. Satire normally targets the powerful, and almost never the weak. That's partly why those liberal assholes got ripped a new one for making fun of Trig Palin.

If you were going to make fun of the recipients of welfare simply for being on welfare, you wouldn't go after just one racial group. You'd go after the white majority as well.

The point of this is to go specifically after black people on welfare, and uses black kids as props. Put little white kids from Appalachia in a MoveOn video "satirizing" poor white mountain folks, and only a pretty narrow range of the country is going to think that's funny. You have to be a pretty big racist to think this is OK. Which is the whole point. Racists preaching to the racist choir.
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Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Jesus. Kind of undercuts the whole, "We're conservatives, not complete racists" argument when it comes to limiting access to government assistance.
More like your moral outrage clouds your ability to understand satire.

Our welfare system has created and institutionalized perverse incentives to stay on welfare rather than to get off of it, but if hating people that bring up how the system can be gamed makes you feel better, go for it.
Uh, that's not satire, and it's too lame to get outraged. Satire normally targets the powerful, and almost never the weak. That's partly why those liberal assholes got ripped a new one for making fun of Trig Palin.

If you were going to make fun of the recipients of welfare simply for being on welfare, you wouldn't go after just one racial group. You'd go after the white majority as well.

The point of this is to go specifically after black people on welfare, and uses black kids as props. Put little white kids from Appalachia in a MoveOn video "satirizing" poor white mountain folks, and only a pretty narrow range of the country is going to think that's funny. You have to be a pretty big racist to think this is OK. Which is the whole point. Racists preaching to the racist choir.
Or it's just a woman satirizing the community she knows, but assuming that Chapter Jackson couldn't come up with this on her own is mighty white of you.
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Pointing out that US anti poverty programs have done a terrible job of lifting people out of poverty and have created a culture of dependency is not a bad thing IMO. Cabrini Green anyone?

And you might want to consider this little statistic:
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This is priceless, a woman of color writes a song and makes that video, and Spells blames it on Whitey. Hahahahahahahha.

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Turdacious wrote:Or it's just a woman satirizing the community she knows, but assuming that Chapter Jackson couldn't come up with this on her own is mighty white of you.
It's handy to research prior to commenting these days, especially when something looks this fishy. The producer of the video is a white, middle-aged executive of a military apparel contractor who says he was involved in the writing. Shocking, I know. So no, "Chapter" did not come up with this on her own.
Pointing out that US anti poverty programs have done a terrible job of lifting people out of poverty and have created a culture of dependency is not a bad thing IMO. Cabrini Green anyone?
It is not a bad thing. But making it into a racial argument is probably a losing one.
And you might want to consider this little statistic:
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I'm familiar. Multiply the population of each demographic by those percentages and you'll get a sense of where most of the dollars go (hint: not black people, and it's not close). Is it disproportionately, an African American problem? Absolutely. If someone's problem was anti-poverty programs per se, it would be useful and probably important to point out that they were against it regardless of which demographic it went to. Unless somebody was a racist trying to appeal to other racists and get web hits. Then you bring out the black toddlers.
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Anti Poverty programs have to be accepted by the demographic. When education and a 'straight life' aren't valued in a culture, then they have a much harder time working.

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Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Turdacious wrote:Or it's just a woman satirizing the community she knows, but assuming that Chapter Jackson couldn't come up with this on her own is mighty white of you.
It's handy to research prior to commenting these days, especially when something looks this fishy. The producer of the video is a white, middle-aged executive of a military apparel contractor who says he was involved in the writing. Shocking, I know. So no, "Chapter" did not come up with this on her own.
Or contribute in any substantive way, got it. Aretha Franklin worked with white producers FWIW, I guess we should downgrade her rep too.
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Turdacious wrote:Pointing out that US anti poverty programs have done a terrible job of lifting people out of poverty and have created a culture of dependency is not a bad thing IMO. Cabrini Green anyone?
It is not a bad thing. But making it into a racial argument is probably a losing one.
Uh, you're the only one in this discussion making it racial. Regarding your last points (not quoted to avoid an @length post), the black community has faced the most damage from poorly conceived anti poverty programs, as demonstrated by a multitude of statistics.
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Chapter just read you the muthfuckin' BOOK and VERSE

Been waiting a long time to find someone named 'Chapter' so I could say that.
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Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Anti Poverty programs have to be accepted by the demographic. When education and a 'straight life' aren't valued in a culture, then they have a much harder time working.
This is a simplistic view of the problem. Poverty programs are nothing else as throwing money at much bigger problem, which has its roots decades, if not centuries, ago. The solutions are hard and not obvious, and it is much easier to either stop noticing it or declare the ethnic group inherently bad and therefore hopeless.
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Or contribute in any substantive way, got it. Aretha Franklin worked with white producers FWIW, I guess we should downgrade her rep too.
The constant pivoting is tiresome. You made this out to be a plucky black conservative woman from poor black urban culture making fun of her own. It's been proven to not be that. Look at amateur or low-level professional production satire videos. Then look at this. This had money behind it. Maybe Chapter is a conservative from Compton who convinced all these totally-not-racist well-off white people in her ghetto network to put money behind her message. But in reality, that's not what happened.
Turdacious wrote:Uh, you're the only one in this discussion making it racial.
If somebody points out a racist joke is racist, they aren't the ones making it racial. You buy into the message, and that's too bad for you because it undercuts your cause.
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Or contribute in any substantive way, got it. Aretha Franklin worked with white producers FWIW, I guess we should downgrade her rep too.
The constant pivoting is tiresome. You made this out to be a plucky black conservative woman from poor black urban culture making fun of her own. It's been proven to not be that. Look at amateur or low-level professional production satire videos. Then look at this. This had money behind it.
So a producer saw she had talent and supported her? Guess how producers make money? But if stating she's just a puppet makes you feel better, so be it.
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I've never heard of an EBT but it's spawned a nice genre of rap.

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Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Anti Poverty programs have to be accepted by the demographic. When education and a 'straight life' aren't valued in a culture, then they have a much harder time working.
This is a simplistic view of the problem. Poverty programs are nothing else as throwing money at much bigger problem, which has its roots decades, if not centuries, ago. The solutions are hard and not obvious, and it is much easier to either stop noticing it or declare the ethnic group inherently bad and therefore hopeless.
Yes. Simplistic. And only slightly less troubling than the notion that you have the right to engineer other societies to suit your pattern of assumptions.
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