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Quantum Leap was my favorite show when I was 11 or 12.buckethead wrote:I like New Orleans but it gets hot there. Ever been there in late summer. Wow. hot.
But i am looking forward to NCIS New Orleans. Scott Bakula. Remember how good Quantum Leap was?
Yeah, but it took three entire pages. This place used to be able to do that inside of three posts.Grandpa's Spells wrote:You have an awesome filter. You open a thread about two white conservatives in a dispute and conclude that the real problem is Democrats and black people.Batboy2/75 wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa; What the Fuckity Fuck?
Katrina was a "Beyond Thonderdome" moment in American history. Complete with negros raping, looting, and even eating each other for days on end. The press and the Democrats said so. There was even this shiftless bug eyed negro on some national telethon; that said Bush hated black people and he was to blame. Bush sending in Blackwater operators to randomly kill shiftless democratic voters( as they fought over the roasting corpses of babies and EBT cards) sounds very plausible to me. I'm sure Sean Penn can verify this
Next you'll tell me that the Democratic Governor of LA and the Democratic Major of New Orleans failed to prepare properly, that they botched the relief effort and that they are mostly to blame.
WildGorillaMan wrote:Enthusiasm combined with no skill whatsoever can sometimes carry the day.
What would you have done differently?Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gtibVQ_Do[/youtube]
Ventura's gotten so pathetic I'm not sure I can truly hate him.
Not sued (you can't win on something like this); not whined on national tv; and would never go full on Alex Jones.Grandpa's Spells wrote:What would you have done differently?Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gtibVQ_Do[/youtube]
Ventura's gotten so pathetic I'm not sure I can truly hate him.
Come on. His life was being turned into a movie starring Bradley Cooper. The lawsuit was filed while Kyle was still alive. NOBODY would have let that slide.Turdacious wrote:Not sued (you can't win on something like this);
Sure, but that's style, which Ventura has always been lacking in. But he hasn't been attacked for style, he's being attacked for not letting defamation slide. I can't imagine anybody actually doing that given the profile that story got.not whined on national tv; and would never go full on Alex Jones.
1. The Seal community seems to have pretty clearly decided that Ventura was a shitbag, and did so before Kyle died.Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:So you're saying, if someone straight up defamed you, "American hero" or no, you'd just let that shit go? I don't get some of you fuckers. You're hot as hell to get into arguments about themost trivial shit but if someone lied about you and damaged your reputation you'd be like "naw that's cool."
WildGorillaMan wrote:Enthusiasm combined with no skill whatsoever can sometimes carry the day.
I bought the book long before I ever heard about the Chris Kyle-Jesse Ventura fight. I didn't know who "scruff face" was when I read that part of the book.Phaedrus wrote:Sure, it probably would have been a good idea from a PR perspective for Ventura to either sue for $1 or else donate a good portion of the payout to some veterans fun but let's not forget the real winners here. The publisher of the book sold a lot more copies and generated a ton more press than they otherwise would have from a rather average book due to the Ventura story. Trial lawyers on either side are going to take a good portion of the payout from stretching it out so long and tabloids get a nice story to run for a few days. If Hollywood can turn seven figures from this, I think that we can agree that it's all been worthwhile.
My post was partially tongue-in-cheek but the incident certainly earned it a lot of press which would be something that publishers would want, especially as the story broke after the book had already come out. I thought that I remember reading that this was the situation but in searching for an answer to your post found that the increase that I was thinking of was following Kyle's murder.Bob Wildes wrote:I bought the book long before I ever heard about the Chris Kyle-Jesse Ventura fight. I didn't know who "scruff face" was when I read that part of the book.Phaedrus wrote:Sure, it probably would have been a good idea from a PR perspective for Ventura to either sue for $1 or else donate a good portion of the payout to some veterans fun but let's not forget the real winners here. The publisher of the book sold a lot more copies and generated a ton more press than they otherwise would have from a rather average book due to the Ventura story. Trial lawyers on either side are going to take a good portion of the payout from stretching it out so long and tabloids get a nice story to run for a few days. If Hollywood can turn seven figures from this, I think that we can agree that it's all been worthwhile.
Apparently Chris stated that Jesse was "scruff face" in one or more televised interviews he gave.
So you are saying that the book sales took a noticeable upswing only after Jesse was named?
The co-author, publicist and executive editor of the New York publisher of “American Sniper” all defended the accuracy of the memoir and claimed the three-page sub-chapter on an alleged bar fight involving Ventura that sparked his lawsuit had little effect on the book’s spectacular sale of 1.5 million copies.
But Ventura’s lawyers offered evidence on the trial’s eighth day that while the book was being written, the late Chris Kyle, the SEAL veteran, and a top editor at HarperCollins, the book’s publisher, expressed concern that the account of the fight could provoke a libel suit.
http://www.startribune.com/local/267515531.htmlMuch of Thursday’s testimony was about whether the news early in January 2012 that “Scruff Face” was Ventura led to a big increase in book sales and whether HarperCollins used the bar fight to hype publicity about the book.
Hubbard said the news reports and interviews Kyle gave about the fight had a negligible effect on sales and may have actually hurt them, since readers would be less inclined to buy a book if its accuracy were challenged.
Hubbard and Sharyn Rosenblum, a HarperCollins publicist, pointed to pre-publication sales of more than 3,000 to show that “American Sniper” was already in demand. Rosenblum said an article in the New York Post and a recommendation to buy the book by conservative TV host Bill O’Reilly on his Fox News show, “The O’Reilly Factor,” were key to the book’s quick jump to the top of the nation’s bestseller lists.
But Ventura attorney David Olsen contended that sales surged after Kyle gave a national radio interview on Sirius XM Radio in which, in response to a caller, he said he punched Ventura, and after O’Reilly began his interview with Kyle talking about him punching Ventura.
WildGorillaMan wrote:Enthusiasm combined with no skill whatsoever can sometimes carry the day.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
That's a surprisingly well-written and sourced article.Pinky wrote:Popehat has a good post about this case:
Jury Finds Jesse Ventura's Reputation Susceptible to Harm
Not sure how you came to that conclusion from reading that story. And Ventura clearly doesn't understand the Streisand effect.Grandpa's Spells wrote:That's a surprisingly well-written and sourced article.Pinky wrote:Popehat has a good post about this case:
Jury Finds Jesse Ventura's Reputation Susceptible to Harm
The links to the motion and response are completely damning for Kyle. Clearly fabricated story, Ventura was pretty clearly injured by them, and Kyle clearly made his millions directly because of telling that story. Had Kyle not died the jury might have taken all the book & film income.
Did you read the link to the response to the motion?Turdacious wrote:Not sure how you came to that conclusion from reading that story. And Ventura clearly doesn't understand the Streisand effect.
i saw what you did thereBatboy2/75 wrote:Special Operations Unit (and yes UDT was in that league back in the day)
That's the other lie that is being spread about Ventura; that he lies about being a SEAL. Those that spout such crap are out right liars or have no clue how UDT and SEALs were set up back in the 60 and 70s.buckethead wrote:i saw what you did thereBatboy2/75 wrote:Special Operations Unit (and yes UDT was in that league back in the day)
It's the Streisand effect because Jesse lost in the court of public opinion. Badly.Grandpa's Spells wrote: Did you read the link to the response to the motion?
Was there an altercation?
Kyle claimed police showed up. The police say they didn't. Ventura produced witnesses who were with him that night saying there was no fight and he never spoke of being hit or arguing with anyone. Kyle did not produce witnesses substantiating his claim. Ventura showed photographs of himself the next day at a BUD/S graduation uninjured, despite being on meds that lead to excessive bruising.
Did Kyle profit from lying?
Kyle had only sold 3000 books before Opie & Anthony interview where he told the Ventura story. AFter that interview, he was then booked on O'Reilly, where the first question asked was about Ventura. Ventura was discussed in subsequent interviews, and books sales skyrocketed to a NYT #1 best-seller, and then movie rights were sold.
Was Ventura hurt by the lie?
Ventura produced 10 years of tax returns, apparently showing a large drop in income immediately after the Kyle story broke (it doesn't say how much, but you don't submit those unless they support your case).
It's not Streissand effect when the story is already huge. If it's on O'Reilly, there's a #1 best-seller, Clint Eastwood is directing the movie, and you're the guy depicted as saying SEALs deserve to die at the wake of a Medal of Honor recipient, it's time to do something about it.
Ventura is unquestionably an asshole. He would have been better off saying, "I feel terrible for the Kyle family, but Chris Kyle made millions by telling outrageous lies about me. They're turning this story into a film, and the record needs to be set straight. I wish the estate would have retracted false statements and moved on, but they haven't, so here we are. It doesn't make me happy." Regardless, Kyle is so much the bigger asshole here that it's unbelievable that anybody supports him.
