the new republic piece explains the migration some. for example, it reports that kinloch, a black town bordering ferguson, was largely knocked down around the turn of the century to make way for the expansion of the st louis airport.
have you ever heard of pruitt-igoe? it was a huge urban low-income housing project. i expect residents were 100% black, if we round up so there are no decimals.
Pruitt–Igoe consisted of 33 11-story apartment buildings on a 57-acre (23 ha) site,[14] on St. Louis's lower north side. The complex totaled 2,870 apartments, one of the largest in the country.[
completed in the mid-50s, pruitt-igoe was a failure. think vertical slum. it was almost completely abandoned by the late-60s and authorities blew it up in the 70s. that represents a lot of black people needing a place to live. the migration apprears to have been gradually northwest.
i'm no expert on this. i'm interested to think that something like pruitt-igoe, which was a major topic when i lived in st louis 45 years ago, is tied to current racial conflict.
karma
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
dead man walking wrote:the new republic piece explains the migration some. for example, it reports that kinloch, a black town bordering ferguson, was largely knocked down around the turn of the century to make way for the expansion of the st louis airport.
have you ever heard of pruitt-igoe? it was a huge urban low-income housing project. i expect residents were 100% black, if we round up so there are no decimals.
Pruitt–Igoe consisted of 33 11-story apartment buildings on a 57-acre (23 ha) site,[14] on St. Louis's lower north side. The complex totaled 2,870 apartments, one of the largest in the country.[
completed in the mid-50s, pruitt-igoe was a failure. think vertical slum. it was almost completely abandoned by the late-60s and authorities blew it up in the 70s. that represents a lot of black people needing a place to live. the migration apprears to have been gradually northwest.
i'm no expert on this. i'm interested to think that something like pruitt-igoe, which was a major topic when i lived in st louis 45 years ago, is tied to current racial conflict.
karma
There was a great documentary about Pruitt Igoe streaming on Netflix a while back-- not sure it's still there. Probably one of my favorite documentaries.
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i hadn't realized until i read it to day that the pruitt-igoe architecht also designed the original world trade center. his buildings seems to get blown up.
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dead man walking wrote:the new republic piece explains the migration some. for example, it reports that kinloch, a black town bordering ferguson, was largely knocked down around the turn of the century to make way for the expansion of the st louis airport.
have you ever heard of pruitt-igoe? it was a huge urban low-income housing project. i expect residents were 100% black, if we round up so there are no decimals.
Pruitt–Igoe consisted of 33 11-story apartment buildings on a 57-acre (23 ha) site,[14] on St. Louis's lower north side. The complex totaled 2,870 apartments, one of the largest in the country.[
completed in the mid-50s, pruitt-igoe was a failure. think vertical slum. it was almost completely abandoned by the late-60s and authorities blew it up in the 70s. that represents a lot of black people needing a place to live. the migration apprears to have been gradually northwest.
i'm no expert on this. i'm interested to think that something like pruitt-igoe, which was a major topic when i lived in st louis 45 years ago, is tied to current racial conflict.
karma
There was a great documentary about Pruitt Igoe streaming on Netflix a while back-- not sure it's still there. Probably one of my favorite documentaries.
The Pruitt-Igoe Myth -- it's still there. And yes, it's excellent.
Side Note:
The article states that Leinweber, Yamasaki & Hellmuth was the design firm and George Kassabaum was one of the architects. The supposed failure of their design didn't stop their future success. HOK (Hellmuth Obata Kassabaum) is still HQ'd in St. Louis but is one of the largest architectural firms in the US - maybe the world.
Makes me want to read this:
One of the most powerful people few people have ever heard of.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Don't know how things have changed in the last 15 years, but when I lived there St. Louis was unbelievably racially tense. There was a lot of casual "nigger" talk from well-off white folks, and I got pulled over a few times at night in my 10 year old Ford Escort only to be immediately let go once the cop realized it was a white guy under the baseball cap. I didn't put it together until a local explained it to me.
Strangely enough, I take this anecdote as a vindication of racial profiling, rather than a valid condemnation of it.
Unless of course you are/were an habitual criminal, in which case it'd be an argument for more oppressive and paranoid policing, not less.
LOL, I love how the reporter referred to the store video as controversial. Controversial = destroying made up story that Michael Brown was an innocent chubby kid walking down the street.
The only people that would call the video controversial are the race hucksters that are trying to make this situation worse.
Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of the free man from the slave.
LOL, I love how the reporter referred to the store video as controversial. Controversial = destroying made up story that Michael Brown was an innocent chubby kid walking down the street.
The only people that would call the video controversial are the race hucksters that are trying to make this situation worse.
Race hucksters have a vested interest in fomenting racial division, aggrievances, and unrest to further their own interests. I think she's talking about the DOJ in this case.
Oh wait.......same thing.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
LOL, I love how the reporter referred to the store video as controversial. Controversial = destroying made up story that Michael Brown was an innocent chubby kid walking down the street.
The only people that would call the video controversial are the race hucksters that are trying to make this situation worse.
It is about as controversial as Cowboy Bob Orton's arm cast in the 80's.
Females who wear heels emulate the gait patterns of wounded and/or compromised prey and thus inspire males to heights of predatorial chasse-a-tude. - Robb Wolf
the release of the video is "controversial" because the robbery had no part in the stop, so the video of the that event is simply prejudicial against the victim. the authorities in ferguson know that--or should.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
dead man walking wrote:the release of the video is "controversial" because the robbery had no part in the stop, so the video of the that event is simply prejudicial against the victim. the authorities in ferguson know that--or should.
There is now a recording of a witness at the scene telling someone who showed up late that the guy was charging the cop when he got shot. Also a new interview with a family friend(I think one of the cops wife's friends) who also reported that the man was running at the cop when he got shot. And that they found out he was a suspect in the robbery went back to question him right before he charged. Be disappointed now.
i understand that there is hearsay from unidentified white people saying the kid attacked the cop. perhaps we'll learn what actually did happen.
at the time they released the video, they said the cop stopped the kid because he was walking in the middle of the street and did not know he was a suspect in the robbery. so now the story has changed. how surprising is that?
so we'll just have to wait to get a reliable account.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
dead man walking wrote:the release of the video is "controversial" because the robbery had no part in the stop, so the video of the that event is simply prejudicial against the victim. the authorities in ferguson know that--or should.
There is now a recording of a witness at the scene telling someone who showed up late that the guy was charging the cop when he got shot. Also a new interview with a family friend(I think one of the cops wife's friends) who also reported that the man was running at the cop when he got shot. And that they found out he was a suspect in the robbery went back to question him right before he charged. Be disappointed now.
It sounds like double-talk but even though the officer didn't know the victim was involved in a robbery, the victim didn't know that the officer didn't know and that certainly could have influenced his behavior.
dead man walking wrote:i understand that there is hearsay from unidentified white people saying the kid attacked the cop. perhaps we'll learn what actually did happen.
The recording that I heard sounded like two black guys talking.
The autopsy supports parts of both stories in terms of locations of bullets and gunshot residue so it should surprise nobody that nobody is telling the absolute truth.
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The relevance of the store video is as to the kind of person Brown was. No, stealing some shitty tobacco or a 40, even ppushing around the little man is not reason in itself for him to die.
But it is reason to believe he very well might have come at a known armed man, and for all the cop hate here, he was still the representative of the law and society's power to enforce order and peace. There is reason to not cry over this POS.
If the cop shot him in the back? Fuck the cop.
If he just executed Brown when Brown was just standing there? Fuck the cop.
But if Brown had went for the cop physuically, not your run of the mill resisting arrest, trying to get away shit, but entered on and tried to control the cop? Fuck Brown.
If he did that and then ran away but then turned back, as some stories say? FUCK BROWN! Cop should be put down if he did not kill Brown at that point.
3 in the arm and 1 neck, 1 eye shot (Excellent!) and one at the top of the skull. Sounds like forward motion moving target, not hands in the air to me.
Peaceful protest? Damn fine.
Niggerz throwing shit, hurting people, rioting and shit?
Strap on the action gear, try to do it with force and tear gas, but if that fails? Shoot the motherfuckers down.
SWAT Teams should not be for serving warrants on all but the most violent suspects. I think a city/ town/ county should have to be a certain size to have one, departments should pool resources in case the need arises, but not having them is a laime ass idea unless we are all going to become the Militia and lend a hand? I don't think most want that can of worms, from the fucking Strain.
Riot Squads should not be deployed for candlelight vigils and peaceful gatherings. Buit when Antwon and the Boyz start doing the Zoo dance? A bunch of screaming assholes want to burn shit in the name of peace?
Bring them out to play Roman Skullcracker, Windsucker and Kneebreaker Legion.
Most cops should walk around looking like a cop, not a G.I. Joe figure. I'd like them to have to do 2 - 4 years of training in the law, psychology, sociology, hand to hand, marksmanship and have a strong ethical code. They don't need military grade armour. They should not glass people at protest unless someone needs to be shot in the head to save other's lives.
Some good ideas expressed how to govern and control these folks laid out here.
But I don't want to do away with SWAT or RIOT Squads and sometimes I want to see CS, watercannons, beat downs and a bit of shooting if people are turning the streets into a Third World style riot or shoot at cops and expect not to be shot at.
I can see a potential someday to have to shoot at L.E.s, sadly, but I won't expect them to just fucking take it either.
It's why it should not happen for some small shit that did not happen to you and your family and these asholes rioting are scumbags who just look to do shit, and low IQ dumnfucks for the most part who are just going with the mod rule.
Don't shed tears for them, they are not the same as some home-owner shot dead on a No Knock at the wrong address or over check fraud. This isn’t your nice pitbull shot by Officer Friendly or a small child killed with a flashbang.
And now Eric Holder is on his way. Yes that will fix things. An AG who once violently seized his university’s administration office.
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dead man walking wrote:i understand that there is hearsay from unidentified white people saying the kid attacked the cop. perhaps we'll learn what actually did happen.
at the time they released the video, they said the cop stopped the kid because he was walking in the middle of the street and did not know he was a suspect in the robbery. so now the story has changed. how surprising is that?
so we'll just have to wait to get a reliable account.
It was black people talking in the recording, dipshit.
