ISIS war stupidity

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:50 pm

dennis hayes, who lives out your way bd and is the guy who put together the first earth day, speculated that when we first were going into iraq, the code name for the offensive was to be operation iraqi liberation. but someone pointed out the acronym for that is oil.

The Ginger Beard Man · Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:57 pm

Ignoring ISIS now is as big a mistake as ignoring AQ in the 90's was. Yes, we fucked up in about a hundred different ways to get to this point. Yes, we had a hand in creating our enemy. Yes, we need to learn some lessons to avoid making the same exact mistakes yet again next week and for a long time after.
But if we don't do something intelligent now, we face having a WTC size or bigger mess to clean up in the future.
Of course, we've managed to a whole lot of stupid shit in the last 13 years, so I'm not too optimistic about things.

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:11 pm

dead man walking wrote:this guy says we're simply helping iran, assad, and hezbollah without extracting anything in return for our help.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... ar/379979/

Obama is the muslim Trojan Horse. His moves all point to the fact he is taking America apart piece by piece.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:28 pm

Phaedrus wrote: Christians already face the War on Christmas each year and now they need to deal with this.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:22 pm

Watching this President get exposed for the fool he really is never gets old.

On a related Note the NFL is not a National League or just about Football.

buckethead · Post by **buckethead** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:54 pm

powerlifter54 wrote:Watching this President get exposed for the fool he really is never gets old.

I agree. Every time I see a head chopped off or village destroyed, it fills me with elation

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:58 pm

buckethead wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:Watching this President get exposed for the fool he really is never gets old.
I agree. Every time I see a head chopped off or village destroyed, it fills me with elation

IKR?

umm...yeah.

Gross, Jack...

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:16 pm

buckethead wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:Watching this President get exposed for the fool he really is never gets old.
I agree. Every time I see a head chopped off or village destroyed, it fills me with elation

Your issue, not mine. Might need to pull the throttle back on the weed during the week.

Everything this clown says is a trip to Wonderland. Not Islamic and not a state? JV team? Doctors and lawyers two weeks ago but now able to take on ISIS? Worth a shot to do it with Air Power but no way does he commit to the strike levels that it would take. No fan of BOG again but letting Obama run a war is like me planning your @fit workout.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:19 pm

powerlifter54 wrote:...but letting Obama run a war is like me planning your @fit workout.

In that neither requires Congressional approval?

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:57 pm

The Islamic State group said it enslaved families from the minority Yazidi sect after overrunning their villages in northwestern Iraq, in what it praised as the revival of an ancient custom of using women and children as spoils of war.

In an article in its English-language online magazine Dabiq, the group provides what it says is religious justification for the enslavement of defeated "idolators".

The ancient custom of enslavement had fallen out of use because of deviation from true Islam, but was revived when fighters overran Yazidi villages in Iraq's Sinjar region

https://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-se ... 13031.html

#BringBackOurGirls(ohnowaitthatseemstobelegitfuckitdowhatuwant)

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:09 pm

From a while ago, but still applicable.

Keep this timeline in mind when you’re trying to assess the significance of IS’s big push toward Kobani: IS(IS) took Jarabulus, only 25 km west of Kobani, more than 15 months ago. If it really were anything like the powerful, mobile force it’s being made out to be, it could and should have swarmed east to take the next significant border town, Kobani/Ayn al-Arab, immediately afterward.

But that didn’t happen. Instead, IS did what it always did: Publicity. It declared this nowhere little town of Jarabulus an “emirate.”
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What they didn’t do was mount a serious frontal attack on Kobani, even though the town was defended only by lightly-armed YPG militia. It wasn’t until June, 2014—when IS had a big success on its Eastern (Iraqi) front, panicking the weak Shia-Arab “Iraqi Army” into abandoning all of Anbar Province without a fight—that IS was able to transfer some of its captured heavy weapons to the attack on Kobani, overrunning Kurdish town militias who were trying to stop tanks and artillery with nothing more than AKs and a few RPGs.

So yeah, IS really is as bad as they’re made out to be, but we’re talking “bad” in both senses: They’re misogynistic swine, but they’re also really the most overrated, over-hyped bunch of hams this side of WWE. And when more people realize that, IS will lose their best weapon, their terror-propaganda. Without that, they show up as what they are: a mid-size Sunni militia with a knack for child-rape and no skills against anyone who doesn’t fall for their death-metal hype.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:18 pm

Pinky wrote:From a while ago, but still applicable.

Keep this timeline in mind when you’re trying to assess the significance of IS’s big push toward Kobani: IS(IS) took Jarabulus, only 25 km west of Kobani, more than 15 months ago. If it really were anything like the powerful, mobile force it’s being made out to be, it could and should have swarmed east to take the next significant border town, Kobani/Ayn al-Arab, immediately afterward.

But that didn’t happen. Instead, IS did what it always did: Publicity. It declared this nowhere little town of Jarabulus an “emirate.”
...
What they didn’t do was mount a serious frontal attack on Kobani, even though the town was defended only by lightly-armed YPG militia. It wasn’t until June, 2014—when IS had a big success on its Eastern (Iraqi) front, panicking the weak Shia-Arab “Iraqi Army” into abandoning all of Anbar Province without a fight—that IS was able to transfer some of its captured heavy weapons to the attack on Kobani, overrunning Kurdish town militias who were trying to stop tanks and artillery with nothing more than AKs and a few RPGs.

So yeah, IS really is as bad as they’re made out to be, but we’re talking “bad” in both senses: They’re misogynistic swine, but they’re also really the most overrated, over-hyped bunch of hams this side of WWE. And when more people realize that, IS will lose their best weapon, their terror-propaganda. Without that, they show up as what they are: a mid-size Sunni militia with a knack for child-rape and no skills against anyone who doesn’t fall for their death-metal hype.

And yet they are winning

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:29 pm

Winning what?

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:23 pm

The above is from a few months ago, but they control a lot of strategic towns and territory, and have established a nice revenue stream (i.e. extortion/tax base).

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:28 pm

Pinky wrote:Winning what?

Winning in their effort to carve out a caliphate in Syria and Iraq.

Kobani is high viz, but what is going on near Baghdad is important. They will likely take Hit and even Abu Ghraib pretty soon. They'll be in artillery range of Baghdad, and important for us the airport. If they then go after the Baghdad Airport, we'd either have to fight with ground forces or leave, neither being good. They know it. It's an obvious move.

IGX

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