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Ukraine approves historic EU deal, breaking ties with Moscow

Ukraine's parliament has approved a historic agreement with the European Union that propels the former Soviet state towards the West and away from the grasp of Russia.

at the same time:

Ukraine separatists granted self-rule and amnesty as Kiev agrees EU pact

Ukrainian MPs passed a controversial law on Tuesday handing self-rule and an amnesty to pro-Russian separatists in parts of the rebellious east of the country.

Kosovo Foreign Minister Enver Hoxhaj said that the decision of Kosovo belongs to the countries of the European Union, the United States and other countries that are due to the situation in Ukraine decided to seduce sanction the Russian Federation.
"This decision is in favor of preserving the international order and support the condemnation trampling of a sovereign and independent state of Ukraine," said Hoxhaj.
That decision, he said, also confirms that Kosovo is stable partner of Euro-Atlantic allies. The Government of Kosovo has not said what kind of sanctions the word.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vflmOXEyBoE[/youtube]

This time by a French blogger:

Ukraine... Who is really behind the curtain ?

Russia is a power of (strategic) balance, its nuclear arsenal, and energy independence are that it can act as a counterweight to the United States. She can afford to host Snowden and, paradoxically, contribute to the defense of civil liberties in the West. But the assumption that Russia devouring Europe and the world is absurd.

The real emerging power before Russia is Germany. She did an amazing way of its economic difficulties at the reunification of its economic recovery, then the takeover of the mainland in the last five years. All this deserves to be reinterpreted. The financial crisis has not only demonstrated the strength of Germany. It also showed his ability to use the debt crisis to dominate in the continent. If we free ourselves from the archaic rhetoric of the Cold War, if one stops to shake the rattle ideology of liberal democracy and its values , if we stop to listen to the blah-European to observe the historical sequence being crude and almost childish way, in short, if we accept to see that the emperor has no clothes, we find that:
1) during the last five years, Germany has taken control of the European continent economically and politically;
2) and that, after five years, Europe is already virtually at war with Russia.

Riiiight. Germany is the bad guy with its stable and productive economic policy, Russia is the good guy smashing and invading Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine and playing gas pusher to Central Europe. Which country has Germany invaded since 1945?

BBC wrote:Thousands of people have marched in Moscow to protest against Russia's involvement in the Ukraine conflict.

People carrying Russian and Ukrainian flags chanted "No to war!" and "Stop lying!" Similar rallies took place in St Petersburg and other Russian cities.

BBC wrote:Vladimir Varfolomeyev, a journalist from Russia's Ekho Moskvy radio station, on the anti-war march turnout: "50,000, in my view, is a conservative estimate. Most likely it was slightly bigger."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29300213

Russian people with the backbone Smet wishes he had.

So,more swings for Smet! Thar should help him with the backbone issue.

In other news, 50000+ Russians just volunteered for resettlement to the Chernobyl region.

Fat Cat wrote: invading Chechnya

How one can invade its own territory?

Fat Cat wrote: Georgia

Who started conflict?

Fat Cat wrote: and Ukraine

Proofs?

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote: invading Chechnya

How one can invade its own territory?

Really? Chechnya is Russia? Chechnyans are Russians? What a surprise.

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote: Georgia

Who started conflict?

Russia.

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote: and Ukraine

Proofs?

This is the internet.

Fat Cat wrote:Really? Chechnya is Russia? Chechnyans are Russians? What a surprise.

Well, you just learn something new for you :)

Fat Cat wrote:Russia.

facepalm...

Fat Cat wrote:This is the internet.

facepalm again :)

Let's be honest here. If Russia's claim to Chechnya through historical military domination is valid, then Russian Federation should be re-named Western Mongolia.

Also, please remind me when the glorious armed forces of Georgia rolled into Russia?

Fat Cat wrote:Let's be honest here. If Russia's claim to Chechnya through historical military domination is valid, then Russian Federation should be re-named Western Mongolia.

Historical note
1. Russia never was part of Mongolia. Russia paid tributes to Golden Horde, but had its own government.
2. Golden Horde wasn't part of Mongolia.

Fat Cat wrote:Also, please remind me when the glorious armed forces of Georgia rolled into Russia?

"armed forces of Georgia" attacked Russian peacemakers. Killed many.
If you try to be honest with yourself you admit that USA would react the same way.

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Let's be honest here. If Russia's claim to Chechnya through historical military domination is valid, then Russian Federation should be re-named Western Mongolia.

Historical note
1. Russia never was part of Mongolia. Russia paid tributes to Golden Horde, but had its own government.
2. Golden Horde wasn't part of Mongolia.

I understand that you will be changing the name from Russian Federation to Mongolian Tributary, then? Because if Chechnya is "historically Russian" then Russia is historically Mongolian.

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Also, please remind me when the glorious armed forces of Georgia rolled into Russia?

"armed forces of Georgia" attacked Russian peacemakers. Killed many.
If you try to be honest with yourself you admit that USA would react the same way.

Tell me something...where were those "Russian Peacemakers" when they got sent to the great Socialist in the Sky? They were on Russian soil?

Fat Cat wrote:Because if Chechnya is "historically Russian" then Russia is historically Mongolian.

I don't say that Checnya is "historically Russian".
But today's facts are such. It is territory of Russian Federation. So it is not invasion.
Just facts.

The same way as with Lugansk or Donetsk. Is it Ukrainian invasion?

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Because if Chechnya is "historically Russian" then Russia is historically Mongolian.

I don't say that Checnya is "historically Russian".
But today's facts are such. It is territory of Russian Federation. So it is not invasion.
Just facts.

Once upon a time, from 1991 to 2003, Chechnya was an independent country. The only reason it is "territory of Russian Federation" is because Russia invaded and conquered it, at considerable cost to life on both sides. Perhaps you prefer the term "occupation and colonization"? So it is as much historical fact that Chechnya is not Russian territory, regardless of whether Russians have temporarily occupied it, going back to the 19th century. In fact, Chechnya has declared its independence from Russia three times that I can think of: 1827, 1917, and 1991.

Wild Bill wrote:The same way as with Lugansk or Donetsk. Is it Ukrainian invasion?

So you acknowledge that any Russians in Lugansk or Donetsk are invaders? That is quite an admission.

Fat Cat wrote:So you acknowledge that any Russians in Lugansk or Donetsk are invaders? That is quite an admission.

The same way as Serbians, Frenc, Greeks... etc

Is it Serbian invasion?

If they're coming with guns, yes.

Fat Cat wrote: In fact, Chechnya has declared its independence ...

Lugansk and Donetsk also declared their independencse :)
So. It means it is Ukrainian invasion?

Fat Cat wrote:If they're coming with guns, yes.

So it is Serbia invading Ukraine right now?

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:If they're coming with guns, yes.

So it is Serbia invading Ukraine right now?

I don't really know, do you?

Fat Cat wrote:

Wild Bill wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:If they're coming with guns, yes.

So it is Serbia invading Ukraine right now?

I don't really know, do you?

Fat Cat wrote:If they're coming with guns, yes.

PS
"I don't really know, do you?" but you do know that Russia is invading :)

Fat Cat wrote:Riiiight. Germany is the bad guy with its stable and productive economic policy, Russia is the good guy smashing and invading Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine and playing gas pusher to Central Europe. Which country has Germany invaded since 1945?

Did you read the article? Do you understand that nominal and real power are not the same thing? I am interested in every opinion on this conflict, not only the black-and-white CNN presentation or white-and-black coverage by the Russian mass media. Events don't appear in a vacuum but are the result of lots of factors.

I will repeat it (just for you): I don't take sides in regards to this war, as both sides are wrong. To be honest, I don't care much about it. But it is mildly interesting to me to find out what's really behind the events, in Orwelian way.

In the meantime, you are falling for the narrative marketed by the interested parties. FWIW, you may get an understanding of big politics from this book: Crystallizing Public Opinion Cynical and cold by the father of modern PR, Edward Bernays. The same way he managed to market cigarettes to women by tying them with the suffragette movement and coining them "the torches of freedom" wars are now marketed to the public on fear, freedom and national pride in every country.