Turdacious wrote:Protests that actually worked:
But why go with what actually worked...
Currently ~ 100,000 out in Hong Kong. Note that no cars are on fire. No businesses have been looted. No police have been shot. You won't even see any litter on the street for the most part.
WildGorillaMan wrote:Enthusiasm combined with no skill whatsoever can sometimes carry the day.
Currently ~ 100,000 out in Hong Kong. Note that no cars are on fire. No businesses have been looted. No police have been shot. You won't even see any litter on the street for the most part.
People with the government's boot at their neck and government-sanctioned slaughter of protestors in recent memory tend to protest politely. It's not because of manners.
One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
I SAW THE OTHER DAY WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF OF FERGUSON ISSUED AN APOLOGY BECAUSE IT TOOK THEM FOUR HOURS TO GET MICHAEL BROWN'S BODY OUT OF THE STREET...THAT IS HORRIBLE TO LEAVE A NIQQER CARCASS TO ROT IN THE STREET THAT LONG...THE TAXPAYERS DESERVE BETTER SERVICE FROM THEIR MUNICIPALITY...I'M GONNA GO STEAL A PS4 UNTIL THIS BULLSHIT IS RECTIFIED
Currently ~ 100,000 out in Hong Kong. Note that no cars are on fire. No businesses have been looted. No police have been shot. You won't even see any litter on the street for the most part.
People with the government's boot at their neck and government-sanctioned slaughter of protestors in recent memory tend to protest politely. It's not because of manners.
So, what you are saying is that the niggers in Ferguson who are protesting and looting over a helpless and defenseless nigger being shot by the police are protesting and looting in such a bold and uncivilized manner because they have no fear of their own nigger asses getting hot by the police while in the process of committing crimes and acts of civil disorder.
No. Spells is saying is that Chinese protesters are afraid to drop a chewing gum wrapper on the ground because THAT would bring out the tanks.
In other words, culture doesn't matter - it's only fear of authority that explains the difference between the Hong Kong & Ferguson protesters/rioters.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
johno wrote:No. Spells is saying is that Chinese protesters are afraid to drop a chewing gum wrapper on the ground because THAT would bring out the tanks.
In other words, culture doesn't matter - it's only fear of authority that explains the difference between the Hong Kong & Ferguson protesters/rioters.
Nobody said culture doesn't matter. But nobody spits out chewing gum on the street in Singapore unless they like to get caned, while the hard-working white folk of my neighborhood do that all the time. It's therefore a little dumb to compare the civil disobedience of different people facing completely different sets of consequences for that disobedience and chalk it up to upbringing.
One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
johno wrote:No. Spells is saying is that Chinese protesters are afraid to drop a chewing gum wrapper on the ground because THAT would bring out the tanks.
In other words, culture doesn't matter - it's only fear of authority that explains the difference between the Hong Kong & Ferguson protesters/rioters.
Nobody said culture doesn't matter. But nobody spits out chewing gum on the street in Singapore unless they like to get caned, while the hard-working white folk of my neighborhood do that all the time. It's therefore a little dumb to compare the civil disobedience of different people facing completely different sets of consequences for that disobedience and chalk it up to upbringing.
Absolutely! People in places like Ferguson would organize their protests through social media and establish a well-organized network around the city while resisting breaking into stores for 40s and DVD players if only the LAPD had used a bit more force around the time of the Rodney King riots.
I see protesters in Hong Kong explaining their reasoning in a logical manner while speaking in their second or third languages. If only there were a bit more fear in the looters in places like Missouri they could do the same.
WildGorillaMan wrote:Enthusiasm combined with no skill whatsoever can sometimes carry the day.
Currently ~ 100,000 out in Hong Kong. Note that no cars are on fire. No businesses have been looted. No police have been shot. You won't even see any litter on the street for the most part.
People with the government's boot at their neck and government-sanctioned slaughter of protestors in recent memory tend to protest politely. It's not because of manners.
Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
Turdacious wrote:Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.
The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything. It's rage. I understand why kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, even though I don't think it will accomplish anything.
Every single time you see people rising up and trashing the place out of anger at the police, it turns out the police were abusive for years. This shit, while counterproductive, does not happen for no reason. See: all over during the 1960's, 1990's LA, 2010's St. Louis. Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.
One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
Turdacious wrote:Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.
The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything. It's rage. I understand why kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, even though I don't think it will accomplish anything.
Every single time you see people rising up and trashing the place out of anger at the police, it turns out the police were abusive for years. This shit, while counterproductive, does not happen for no reason. See: all over during the 1960's, 1990's LA, 2010's St. Louis. Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.
No they charge that the cops were abusive for years. It depends on what you call abusive and guys like you forget to factor who it is the cops tend to be "abusive" too.
How much do you deal with Niggers? I know you live in Chicago but I mean Niggers not black people and I mean dealing with them, not just walking by them Ever have a debate with one? You can have the physical proof right there and there still is no reasoning or logic with them, just anger at their 70-80 on verge IQ minds being challenged. I've been attacked by them over the stupidest of shit, even when I was polite but explaining reason.
So one can see why the cops are a little quicker to jump once they feel they are dealing with a nigger/wigger/cholo.
I've lived in places full of them and had to go to schools where they were the majority. Unless you eat their shit under those circumstances you are going to be dealing with some near feral behaviour. (And even if you eat it, you still might, so fuck eating shit for them!)
"God forbid we tell the savages to go fuck themselves." Batboy
Turdacious wrote:Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.
The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything. It's rage. I understand why kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, even though I don't think it will accomplish anything.
Every single time you see people rising up and trashing the place out of anger at the police, it turns out the police were abusive for years. This shit, while counterproductive, does not happen for no reason. See: all over during the 1960's, 1990's LA, 2010's St. Louis. Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.
I am just curious, the news said that blacks make up 97% of Ferguson's population and that 88% of traffic stops were blacks that does not sound like the police were abusive or targetting them. Sounds about right to me.
There's a chicken/egg aspect to many of the statistics. If cops patrol more in high crime (black) areas, then they will stop, frisk, and arrest more black people.
Cops arrest males in disproportionately high numbers. Prejudice?
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
johno wrote:There's a chicken/egg aspect to many of the statistics. If cops patrol more in high crime (black) areas, then they will stop, frisk, and arrest more black people.
Cops arrest males in disproportionately high numbers. Prejudice?
The blatant brutality and lack of accountability on the part of officers is less chicken/egg.
One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
For fucks sakes Johno, look at the shit captured on cameras these days. Now imagine how much shit went down before cameras existed. I imagine there were plenty of places a cop could kill a man with no repercussions. I also imagine how that might effect one's perception of policing and the relationship of the individual to the State.
Grandpa's Spells wrote:The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything.
They aren't trying to accomplish anything in the long run. In the short run, it's selfishness. People aren't smashing the window of the dry cleaner owned by the Vietnamese immigrant because they are angry at cops. They are doing it because they are short-sighted, selfish bastards who don't care about destroying their community as long as they get whatever the hell it is they think they want. You want to toss rocks at police? I understand. You want to beat up the guy who lives down the street or break into his business because he's a different color than you and I support the argument that you should be put away.
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.
There's probably some truth to this but would you honestly feel safe walking through some of the areas you say are misunderstood and misrepresented at night? Would you be fine letting your wife or your kids do the same?
WildGorillaMan wrote:Enthusiasm combined with no skill whatsoever can sometimes carry the day.
Turdacious wrote:Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.
The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything. It's rage. I understand why kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, even though I don't think it will accomplish anything.
Every single time you see people rising up and trashing the place out of anger at the police, it turns out the police were abusive for years. This shit, while counterproductive, does not happen for no reason. See: all over during the 1960's, 1990's LA, 2010's St. Louis. Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.
Malcolm X spent time as a petty criminal, and most certainly had unpleasant experiences with the popo. MLK, living under Jim Crow, probably had no experience with police brutality-- certainly not dogs, nightsticks, or water cannons.
'Hey we had great mentors-- let's ignore them!'
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
