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Turdacious wrote:... and the occupied/separatist parts of the Ukraine...
If Ukraine/U.S. claim that Ukraine at war with Russia and Russian army, then why Ukraine do not attack Crimea?
Perhaps because they are know that in Crimea real Russian army? not fictional one as in Donbas?

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ussia is heading into a “deep recession,” Barclays Capital analysts warned Wednesday after returning from a week long trip to Moscow.

Short-term issues include significantly lower oil prices than what the government budgeted for, and geopolitical tensions with Ukraine that have led to sanctions. The sanctions affect the economy through a higher cost of capital as companies can no longer tap European banks for low interest rates. Sanctions have also temporarily shut down joint ventures with oil companies, most notably a $720 million Exxon-Rosneft venture in the Kara Sea. As a result, potential GDP growth is now estimated at about 1.5%. That’s potential. That’s if all things were firing on all four cylinders in Russia, which they are not.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2 ... recession/
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wishfull thinking :)

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Not really. Prices for basic goods and food went through the roof, the Ruble collapsed and businesses are suffering. A friend of mine - from Moscow - had a business, importing wine. Now because of the mutual sanctions he left Russia and moved to Spain. One less taxpayer for the economy. I am not arguing who is right or wrong in this, as I stated what I think many times before. The fact is though that Russia is suffering as the result.
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Smet wrote:Not really. Prices for basic goods and food went through the roof
What do you mean by this?


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Smet wrote:...A friend of mine...
I am sure even in Australia some busines opening, some closing. Without any sanctions.
My brother-in-law this month opening his second shop, and started to build restoraunt.

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Bill, I will be very happy if I am mistaken about Russian economy. I get my economic news from my mom who lives in Novgorod and my relatives, mostly from Moscow and Velikie Luki. From what I can gather prices are increasing and business is becoming more difficult. In addition to the usual business problems Russian guys now have two more added: limitations on import and export.
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ha :) he speaks almost like me :))
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Smet wrote:... prices are increasing....
prices on dressing became too high :(

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Ukraine parliament offers special status for rebel east, Russia criticizes
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's parliament voted on Tuesday to offer limited self-rule to pro-Russian rebels in the east to try to preserve Western support for peace efforts, despite some deputies saying it would give separatists more scope to tighten their grip on the region.

The law granting "special status" to "people's republics" proclaimed by the separatists was a follow-up to a peace agreement worked out in Belarus last month.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, speaking in Moscow, said the law was a "sharp departure from the Minsk agreements" because it tied "special status" to elections in which the self-declared rebel leaders would not take part.

Separatist leaders also criticized the law. "All the questions which the Kiev parliament considered today completely contradict the Minsk agreements," a separatist official, Alexei Karyakin, was quoted as saying by the Russian news agency RIA Novosti. He said Kiev planned "new bloodshed".

The pro-Western leadership bulldozed the law through parliament to show its good faith to the West - whose financial and political backing it needs to prevent Ukraine breaking up - even at the risk of shaking the consensus in the assembly.
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«Признать временно оккупированными отдельные районы, города, посёлки и сёла Донецкой и Луганской областей, в которых в соответствии с законом Украины об особом порядке местного самоуправления в отдельных районах Донецкой и Луганской областей вводится особый порядок местного самоуправления, до момента вывода всех незаконных вооружённых формирований и военной техники, а также боевиков и наёмников с территории Украины и возобновления полного контроля Украиной над государственной границей»


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It is obviously DPL/LPR would not like it :)
BTW, what do they mean by "illegal armed groups"? What about "right sektor" or private batalions? Are they legal armed groups?

I predict truce will not last long.


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Wild Bill wrote:It is obviously DPL/LPR would not like it :)
BTW, what do they mean by "illegal armed groups"? What about "right sektor" or private batalions? Are they legal armed groups?
You have to be a human being to belong to an armed group. Pravoseki are not human beings.

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THE MAKING OF A CHRISTIAN TALIBAN IN UKRAINE
I asked what distinguishes his organization from Islamic jihadists. The radical Islamists in Afghanistan and the Middle East are, according to Korchynsky, interested in destroying the world order. Not so with the St. Mary’s Battalion.

“We really like civilization,” he explained. “We want to have hot water in the bath and a functional sewage system, but we also want to be able to fight for our ideals.”

Korchynsky wants to move the war to Russian territory, and he says his people have already formed underground structures there. Like the Islamic State, one day his “brothers” will receive orders and begin their work.
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More realistic view at what's happening in Ukraine. In essence, big part of this conflict is the private war.

Ukraine's Oligarchs Are at War (Again)
Despite its pro-Western yearnings, Ukraine remains an oligarch-run country plundered for years by a small group of ruthless men. So far, the Ukrainian people have been unable to bring them down, choosing instead to back different sides in their disputes. That means last year's revolution isn't really over, and the best hope is for it to continue by peaceful means.
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Wild Bill wrote:
Smet wrote:Not really. Prices for basic goods and food went through the roof
What do you mean by this?
I spoke to my mom on the weekend. According to her - a typical pensioner - in the last few months prices went up about 40%, while the pension increased by about 10%. Official numbers for annualised inflation in Russia for January 2015 was 14.95% - here As you probably know official numbers always underestimate the actual inflation.
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Wild Bill wrote:looked, and with surprise discovered that in my town eggs also cost 60-62.
http://greifrut.ru/index.php?route=prod ... 1%86%D0%BE

but i don't remember how much they costed before :)
On Dec 16 eggs were 60-62. Today eggs are 65.

Prices went up, but not as much as could be expexted.

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Wild Bill wrote:
Wild Bill wrote:looked, and with surprise discovered that in my town eggs also cost 60-62.
http://greifrut.ru/index.php?route=prod ... 1%86%D0%BE

but i don't remember how much they costed before :)
On Dec 16 eggs were 60-62. Today eggs are 65.

Prices went up, but not as much as could be expexted.
That's only relevant if eggs are the only food you eat.
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:)
Eggs was an example wich Smet used 3 months ago.

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The data from the independent site that monitors prices, http://tsenomer.ru/russia/ Column 4 - change of price in the last 3 months. Most arrows are up. And yes, the price of eggs stayed the same.
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Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think the unrest and consequent conflict in Ukraine was planned and executed by the interested parties in the USA and Europe, by supporting and financing the dissident groups. All part of the old geo-political struggle. It was clear from the very start that Russia cannot afford to give away Ukraine and will resist its joining NATO and EU. At the same time maintaining the conflict is costly and is weakening Russian economy and undermines the popularity of the government.

Add to it complicated reality of economic power, and things get really difficult to unwind. It's pretty much like a snowball, getting bigger and bigger and more difficult to stop.
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Smet wrote:The data from the independent site that monitors prices, .
buckwheat "price per piece"?

tea, sugar and cheese grew more than 20% :) interesting pattern.


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