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The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:In Minnesota, we have 'whiskey plates' for people who meet a certain and reasonable standard of DUI offense(s). This 'Scarlet Letter' lets cops know and also the public know the person behind the wheel has been convicted of driving drunk. I believe, anyone in the household who drives cars registered in the same address of the offender has to roll with whiskey plates too, i.e. you get pinched, your wife drives her ride with your whiskey plate, too. In reality, these, and all the steps that lead up to obtaining them are very expensive, so you'll see more of these plates in more affluent areas than 'da hood or a trailer park. Again, this is for either multiple offenses, being wasted, hurting someone, ect. .08 doesn't get you whiskey plates (but that's another $5k issue I've had more than a few friends go through).

With that said.....Minnesota is about as liberal/to the left as you'll get in the USA and no one bitches about the Whiskey Plate concept at all.

So, what if:

People convicted for certain crimes (violent felony, criminal possession of a weapon, sex offense, for examples) are made to wear an ankle bracelet upon parole/probation which would allow cops to put them at 'reasonable suspicion' and identifiable upon some sort of GPS ping? Anyone present with that person would also be subject to the same level of RS, if deemed appropriate. LOJACK for Thugs.

Let's face it: most of the people doing street crime do it repeatedly and get caught eventually if not often, and street crime is the pain point with profiling (yes, put car stops in that bucket, too). Tagging them like a friggin' fish will make them pariah's of sorts in the sense that if you're with them and not doing the up and up, you might get tossed, too, which might be a strong deterrent by way of eliminating a negative influence. Many more layers to this, obviously, but if we are going to take advantage of technology going the bodycam route, we might as well burn the other end of the big brother candle and 'Scarlet Letter' those who have proven themselves to be met with suspicion, at least for the term of their probation/parole.

Comments?

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Public lashings would be a better option to get people's attention and put them on the straight and narrow.

Seriously.

It will never happen because of the whole "cruel and unusual" bullshit. However, there is nothing more cruel and unusual than an 18 year old black kid catching a felony (over some bullshit weed possession charge) and remaining unemployable for the rest of his life because of the imaginary existential label of "convicted felon".

I really don't give a fuck about criminals and I'd just as soon see them chopped up into dog food. But...and this is a big but...there is a slippery slope of criminal activity and involvement wherein you get so deep into crime and conviction where crime becomes the only option to put food in ones mouth. The justice system really doesn't "work" except when it segregates the truly worthless from the rest of society by way of lifetime incarceration or the death penalty. I believe there is a significant number of people who are salvageable but get pushed into the death spiral of career douchebaggery due to the fact that all the system does is make them into pariahs by way of public record.

Beat peoples asses in the public square and they will figure it out. Meanwhile, they can get to figure it out without having to suffer starvation via background check.

Perhaps a goofy idea, but what we are currently doing is not working.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Can we deport all the niggers back to Africa? How would that affect the dynamics?

DARTH wrote:If it's a type of parole or probation, sure but if someone has done their time, I want ALL RIGHTS returned to them.

bennyonesix wrote:polish novel

bennyonesix wrote:The problem here is that I can not sub-vocalize either Kaz or Bogatir's names so they are more visual images of letters than sounds so I can not keep them straight in my head.

It's like reading a polish novel or some shit. One complicated ass name is pretty much the same as another complicated ass name.

FUCK

bennyonesix wrote:A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

DARTH wrote:If it's a type of parole or probation, sure but if someone has done their time, I want ALL RIGHTS returned to them.

Fuck the plates too, if they are that bad, don't let them drive any more.

If they are so bad you think they are likely to commit another major crime, sentence them longer or kill more of them.

Phaedrus wrote:

bennyonesix wrote:A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

Were you on or off your meds when you posted this?

bennyonesix wrote:

Phaedrus wrote:

bennyonesix wrote:A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

Were you on or off your meds when you posted this?

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