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dead man walking wrote:
the union jack has not been embraced by segregationists, like the dixiecrats, and haters and murderers during the last 50-70 years.

So due to the fact that a small percentage of those who use the S&B's as a symbol of hate, the majority of folks, who see it as a source of 'southern pride', need to be punished? Which books are you going to be looking to see banned from public schools and libraries?

Again, I really have no skin in the game other than that of an American who is seeing some reactive bullying on the matter and I've never owned a confederate anything except I built a "Duke Boys" model Charger as a kid.

Your logic, if I understand you, sounds an awful like the logic applied to say, racial profiling, which I'm sure you're against. It amazes me how the libs are at least every bit intolerant as the fire and brimstone types are.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

dead man walking wrote:the union jack has not been embraced by segregationists, like the dixiecrats, and haters and murderers during the last 50-70 years.

It's been embraced by plenty of hate groups...

So is the US flag. Not really relevant. The Confederate flag was never a national flag, and it normally gets reintroduced when it's time to keep black people down. History aside, at best it's a symbol of Southern white pride, which doesn't make great symbolism for a state that isn't exclusively white.

People absolutely have a right to put up whatever they the hell they want. Confederate flags, My Little Pony flags, Swastikas, whatever. States can put whatever they want on their state flag, and outsiders have the right to say what they want about that.

It's encouraging to see this being gone about in the right way. Nobody's calling the feds in on a free speech issue. S.C. is doing this on their own. And now Mississippi is talking about their state-flag, which is pretty damn old.

This was a big opportunity for a lot of people to do some dumb shit. The victim's families and Black Christians in general could have handled things differently. White southern conservatives and GOP legislators could have followed Fox's idiotic lead, and instead they appear to be rising to the occasion.

It's amusing what you think is relevant.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:It's amusing what you think is relevant.

For fuck's sake, I can spell it out but LOL at having to. A battle flag for a rebellion dedicated to keeping one citizen's ancenstors enslaved to another citizen's ancestors is never going to be an inclusive symbol. OTOH, a national flag is by definition a symbol of all citizenry. So the Union Jack is not a super-awesome comparison to draw.

When white southerners say they feel it's symbol of southern pride, I can believe them, but I also believe they mean white southern pride. That's not a terrific symbol for a multi-ethnic state.

People decide what to be butthurt over. That's it.

How fervently exercised over this flag were you in September of 2009, or June 2013?

I'm barely interested now.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:I'm barely interested now.

:snigger

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Philly is a shithole.

for such rudeness, frank rizzo would crush your scull with the clapper of the liberty bell

dead man walking wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Philly is a shithole.

for such rudeness, frank rizzo would crush your scull with the clapper of the liberty bell

I would fold that cunt up like Shape's proverbial "8th grade love note."

Philly is a shithole. Fact.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

dead man walking wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Philly is a shithole.

for such rudeness, frank rizzo would crush your scull with the clapper of the liberty bell

I would fold that cunt up like Shape's proverbial "8th grade love note."

Philly is a shithole. Fact.

Philly's shitholery has been declining for decades. It's like most similar cities east of the Mississippi (DC, Chicago, St. Louis, etc...)-- high tax rate and only high crime in certain neighborhoods.

When I was there the first time, I rented a car and followed the GPS to several of these...

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news- ... 26414.html

it's a travel/Urban planning itch I have to try to find the most authentically awful parts of a City. Frankly I found the more objectionable parts of Philly were where all the regular white people go to drink. Every single person met was a self professed "and proud of it"- asshole. Every business I patronized was running some low level waitstaff scam.

When it's your city's sole source of pride that you have terrible sportsmanship and shitty sandwiches, and that you yourself are a prick and that everyone around you is miserable, well then...despite the great history and architecture, that's a place I have no use for. I took my rental car to the Pine Barrens instead and had a blast.

Seriously...LA is a better place than Philly...and LA is pure Evil.

So you went looking for shitty places and you're surprised they were shitty?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

dead man walking wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Philly is a shithole.

for such rudeness, frank rizzo would crush your scull with the clapper of the liberty bell

I would fold that cunt up like Shape's proverbial "8th grade love note."

your bravado would be admirable, except frank is dead turns out, your friends won't need to chip in for your gravestone.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:People decide what to be butthurt over. That's it.

How fervently exercised over this flag were you in September of 2009, or June 2013?

I was in a southern fraternity in college, and we got shit-faced beneath the stars and bars and a portrait of Robert E Lee on many a night. The confederacy was an entire culture tilting at windmills.

But fact is they were also fighting to maintain this, of which a 1/3rd or so of the entire population of the south were slaves. I've seen higher numbers too. It's disingenuous to try to completely disconnect the stars and bars from it.



Slavery in the south (and the rest of the country when it was legal everywhere) was pretty much concentration camps minus the gas chambers. Puppy mills for humans, where the average woman had 9 kids in her life. Slave kids often entered the "labor force" at age 4. That's the reality of it right there. Pretty nasty stuff. I can get why black folks in particular might not be as enthused about the stars and bars.

nafod wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:People decide what to be butthurt over. That's it.

How fervently exercised over this flag were you in September of 2009, or June 2013?

I was in a southern fraternity in college, and we got shit-faced beneath the stars and bars and a portrait of Robert E Lee on many a night. The confederacy was an entire culture tilting at windmills.

But fact is they were also fighting to maintain this, of which a 1/3rd or so of the entire population of the south were slaves. I've seen higher numbers too. It's disingenuous to try to completely disconnect the stars and bars from it.

Slavery in the south (and the rest of the country when it was legal everywhere) was pretty much concentration camps minus the gas chambers. Puppy mills for humans, where the average woman had 9 kids in her life. Slave kids often entered the "labor force" at age 4. That's the reality of it right there. Pretty nasty stuff. I can get why black folks in particular might not be as enthused about the stars and bars.

Black folks not liking it is understandable. However, very few Soldiers who fought for the Confederacy were slave owners. I'm guessing that very few of those who proudly display the Stars and Bars are descended from slave owners. It's entirely possible that it means something different to them. It's also possible that those Soldiers did not volunteer to fight and often die so that others could own slaves.

one can reason about this at length, but it's a symbol, and the meaning it possesses for any who truly care is beyond reason,

Turdacious wrote:

nafod wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:People decide what to be butthurt over. That's it.

How fervently exercised over this flag were you in September of 2009, or June 2013?

I was in a southern fraternity in college, and we got shit-faced beneath the stars and bars and a portrait of Robert E Lee on many a night. The confederacy was an entire culture tilting at windmills.

But fact is they were also fighting to maintain this, of which a 1/3rd or so of the entire population of the south were slaves. I've seen higher numbers too. It's disingenuous to try to completely disconnect the stars and bars from it.

Slavery in the south (and the rest of the country when it was legal everywhere) was pretty much concentration camps minus the gas chambers. Puppy mills for humans, where the average woman had 9 kids in her life. Slave kids often entered the "labor force" at age 4. That's the reality of it right there. Pretty nasty stuff. I can get why black folks in particular might not be as enthused about the stars and bars.

Black folks not liking it is understandable. However, very few Soldiers who fought for the Confederacy were slave owners. I'm guessing that very few of those who proudly display the Stars and Bars are descended from slave owners. It's entirely possible that it means something different to them. It's also possible that those Soldiers did not volunteer to fight and often die so that others could own slaves.

Not directly, but in fact that is what they were doing.

A third of homes in the South owned slaves. Probably the rest wanted to, Americans being an upwardly mobile sort.

Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. The total number of slave owners was 385,000 (including, in Louisiana, some free Negroes). As for the number of slaves owned by each master, 88% held fewer than twenty, and nearly 50% held fewer than five. (A complete table on slave-owning percentages is given at the bottom of this page.)

http://www.civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm

Turdacious wrote:So you went looking for shitty places and you're surprised they were shitty?

No. The shitty places were awesome. The "nice" places were full of Philly douchebags like every DMW tough talking East Coast wannabe. Like it's a badge of honor to associate with fucktards. E'rebody has their own local badass lore...it's all equally horseshit.

dead man walking wrote:one can reason about this at length, but it's a symbol, and the meaning it possesses for any who truly care is beyond reason,

Yes, symbols are beyond reason which is one reason why this is so fascinating. I"m sure the S&B means something completely different to me than it does to blacks, especially those descended from slaves.

My question is, why now? I assume it's simply an emotional twitch to show our revulsion at that murderous terrorist bastard. He displayed the S&B on social media so we must kill the beast symbolically. Apparently the fact that he was also pictured burning the American flag isn't a big problem.

But, maybe it's more. The Democrat party is home to many with hostility towards things that celebrate white male pride - especially southern white male pride, and that's what the flag means to many white people.

For some this is simply righting a wrong. For others it's just more white guilt. For certain lefty leaders, I suspect that this is another case of not letting a crisis go to waste to further an agenda of denormalizing white male pride.

Gun control is the obverse side of this coin and is also in play.

You got it, Donk. The biggest menace to American society, especially black American society, are white, male, liberals--the angry lefty women who push them around are a distant second.

No question.

is the issue that the flag is a symbol of white male pride? or that the flag is a symbol of bigotry, past and present?

is a liberal white male (bullied by a harridan) truly a greater "menace" to black society than a southerner rallying around the confederate flag?

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:The biggest menace to American society, especially black American society, are white, male, liberals--the angry lefty women who push them around are a distant second.

No question.

I didn't even buy this when I was more conservative, because white conservative men have been saying that since before John Wilkes Booth (who also said as much).

There are still today politicians attempting to disenfranchise black Americans. The far left isn't helping things much, but the people actively trying to do harm, and who have power, generally just so happen to be white older conservative men

dead man walking wrote:is a liberal white male (bullied by a harridan) truly a greater "menace" to black society than a southerner rallying around the confederate flag?

without a doubt.

Those rallying around the vestiges of their defeated empire are no more threatening than the Scots waiving the St. Andrews Cross or Indians having pow wows....they are a defeated people.

White Liberal Men are sanctimonious predators.