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[quote="The Venerable Bogatir X"]Man, I could be wrong here, but because I'm totally correct and this might save one of your asses or a family member, I will harp. I think only Dylan or perhaps Shaggy has ever posted about how effective Wasp Spray really is. Do yourself a favor you cheap bastards and skip your Starbucks run tomorrow/Saturday, hit Lowe's or Home D and buy that mother fucking can of was spray. Do not do this in your house but do put out a target in your yard or even shoot at a tree. Draw some eyeballs on that tree and a mouth if you want or just a simple 10" circle. Time yourself.....see how much utter damage you can do to a mope with that shit.....even if he is moving at the speed of Usain Bolt you're gonna get enough in his eyes or lungs to stop him or at least make it near impossible for him to fight you. Then, unsnip the zip tie from your gun and shoot the guy or beat him senseless with your wife's Rabbit toy, if you feel it's necessary to do so.[/quote


And then stab the motherfucker!

" Poor black and hispanic women and unregistered voters fall clearly on the other side of the line in wishing for more gun control."

Well right there, not exactly the best and brightest of society. Fuck 'em!

Bullets kill about just under 3,400 people a year, about the same as cars, so with 230,000,000+ people in this country, only 200,000 die each year from injuries, we don't lose enough people as it is! Maybe we do need a weekend every year where we can kill anyone we want?


So fuck all gun control, we need more of our rights restored, not curtailed and taken.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

Spell's.

It seems to me because you lucked out a lot, probably are real good at coming off as semi submissive and nothing for them to worry about or not good enough sport (even though we know you were a no shit Karateka), that you feel we should all adopt your way of reasoning on shit like this that seems to be like a mouse not worrying about living in a house with cats because he has not been clawed, yet.

Jerry fucks ol Tom up before Tom becomes a problem. :-)

DARTH wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:Man, I could be wrong here, but because I'm totally correct and this might save one of your asses or a family member, I will harp. I think only Dylan or perhaps Shaggy has ever posted about how effective Wasp Spray really is. Do yourself a favor you cheap bastards and skip your Starbucks run tomorrow/Saturday, hit Lowe's or Home D and buy that mother fucking can of was spray. Do not do this in your house but do put out a target in your yard or even shoot at a tree. Draw some eyeballs on that tree and a mouth if you want or just a simple 10" circle. Time yourself.....see how much utter damage you can do to a mope with that shit.....even if he is moving at the speed of Usain Bolt you're gonna get enough in his eyes or lungs to stop him or at least make it near impossible for him to fight you. Then, unsnip the zip tie from your gun and shoot the guy or beat him senseless with your wife's Rabbit toy, if you feel it's necessary to do so.[/quote


And then stab the motherfucker!

Or at least bash him repeatedly in the temple with the empty can and then perhaps get all American History X on his ass and curbside the bitch....I honestly think I can do that to someone who tried to harm my family.

I like the premise but what are the odds of anyone having Wasp Spray, zip ties, an empty can, and a Rabbit in their EDC bag??

TerryB wrote:I like the premise but what are the odds of anyone having Wasp Spray, zip ties, an empty can, and a Rabbit in their EDC bag??

Something tells me when you were a kid, you were the one who got the lion's share of noogies and wedgies.

I've also referenced a bunch of times I suspect you're from Philly but I don't think you've owned it or corrected me....so in the spirit of being magnanimous (which is my new favorite word), let me say something nice in that the biggest pussies from Philly are tougher than a lot of guys in time zones west of Philly, IME.

You know I was talking home invasion with the spray stuff.

Wasp Spray is for in the the cars, going to DC (put one in her purse, with a screwdriver)
or a lower intensity asshole at home, home invaders will be hit in in the face by bullets or 2 feet of sharp steel.

DARTH wrote: at home, home invaders will be hit in in the face by bullets or 2 feet of sharp steel.

We disagree here my mouth breathing lord of the evil universe.


My house was built in 1947 and its walls are thick and way better than homes that cost 8-10x as much, but still not thick enough to stop say, a .45 ACP round. And I don't yet own a .45 but promise you I will before Thanksgiving so I am not hating, I am just being TACTICAL.

There is a very simple and very real psychology behind the bug spray relative to a gat or a blade: we have distance, accuracy under panic, and a willingness to press the button. The after effects are perhaps notable as well: it's likely you will not go in front of a Grand Jury, it's likely you will not affect your family with the stress of a shootout (and yet still live to tell), and, if you're dealing with multiple attackers /invaders and are dealing with a spray and pray scenario, I'll take the one can of bug juice for my wife (or yours) over any 'handgun' that does not start with the letter U and end with the letter I.

I'd honestly love to hear any and all challenges from those who kinda know something about exacting bloodshed on bad guys.

What are the odds of a panicked person, possibly in the dark, pointing the can the right direction? And also not also misting themselves during the melee?

TerryB wrote:What are the odds of a panicked person, possibly in the dark, pointing the can the right direction? And also not also misting themselves during the melee?

Way fucking better than the gun...I sense and feel your doubt so you just go ahead and spend 3 bucks on the spray tomorrow, consult me if you wish on how to pose your targets. Then, give the can to your wife and let's see how round one plays out. I suspect you will be oddly at peace.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

TerryB wrote:What are the odds of a panicked person, possibly in the dark, pointing the can the right direction? And also not also misting themselves during the melee?

Way fucking better than the gun...I sense and feel your doubt so you just go ahead and spend 3 bucks on the spray tomorrow, consult me if you wish on how to pose your targets. Then, give the can to your wife and let's see how round one plays out. I suspect you will be oddly at peace.

I was in HD today and this came to mind. I purchased a few cans that don't have tops but an easy access spray button that intuitively faces in the correct direction. Why?

First, they were $1.97/can so it was cheap.

Second, my wife refuses to consider anything physical or violent for self defense. I asked her how she felt about this and she liked the idea, so now she has a can in the bedroom and one in the kitchen. Literally, all I'm looking for is for her to discourage someone nefarious or to buy a few uninterrupted seconds to get out of the house if necessary.

Third, they're handy to keep under the car seat unless it gets too hot.

Fourth, it could come in handy if the dog gets into a row w/another dog or a woodchuck or something (both are things I've been surprised by).

Fifth, BEEZ IN THE WALL (which I've had).

So, fucking shooting at Texas Southern University student housing in Houston today, and the media is all over it. I hate to delve this way, but it's TNB given the victims, the shooter, and the area it happened. The only reason this wasn't ignored like every other black on black shooting was it was too close to the Oregon event

A month before or a month after, media basically ignores it

I think Spells is dead wrong about gun control, but I think he's getting some unfair shit here on a personal level. My living situation is probably more like his than anybody else's here. I know he's a grown man and can speak for himself, but I'm going to address this anyway.

Majority black neighborhood with a history of violent gun crime going back a few decades. Close to fifteen people shot within a few blocks from here this year. Virtually impossible to own a gun legally.
On top of that, I ride the subway home late at night, often with several hundred dollars cash in my pocket.
I walk with awareness of my surroundings, but no fear. Several of you have met me in real life and can attest that I don't present as a soft target. Nothing submissive in my demeanor.
As a white male who minds his own business, I don't have to worry about a fucking thing. Sure, maybe something random and freakish could occur, but that would be random and freakish so I don't fucking think about it.

At this point, I don't worry about my fiancé either. She lived here in a much earlier stage of gentrification and was fine.

Some of the notions about personal security that I'm seeing here just seem a little unrealistic. Of course, if I lived in a white suburb among people with money, I probably would want to be prepared for the possibility of home invasion, but among the potential thugs, I don't really have much to,worry about.

Blacks almost always shoot other blacks. There has to be a way to keep guns away from crazies, without taking them from everybody else. But we currently have laws that are meant to do that, and apparently we can't enforce them. Maybe someone should fix that first.

How's the property crime in your neighborhood

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

DARTH wrote: at home, home invaders will be hit in in the face by bullets or 2 feet of sharp steel.

We disagree here my mouth breathing lord of the evil universe.


My house was built in 1947 and its walls are thick and way better than homes that cost 8-10x as much, but still not thick enough to stop say, a .45 ACP round. And I don't yet own a .45 but promise you I will before Thanksgiving so I am not hating, I am just being TACTICAL.

There is a very simple and very real psychology behind the bug spray relative to a gat or a blade: we have distance, accuracy under panic, and a willingness to press the button. The after effects are perhaps notable as well: it's likely you will not go in front of a Grand Jury, it's likely you will not affect your family with the stress of a shootout (and yet still live to tell), and, if you're dealing with multiple attackers /invaders and are dealing with a spray and pray scenario, I'll take the one can of bug juice for my wife (or yours) over any 'handgun' that does not start with the letter U and end with the letter I.

I'd honestly love to hear any and all challenges from those who kinda know something about exacting bloodshed on bad guys.

Depends on the layout of your home, your choice of ammo, how quick you can bring it into action and who and what trained you, to what extent plus a lot of other shit.

Also do you drill for any of this in your home and has the family been a part of that? Older kids know Dad is probably going right to lethality and what they are to do and dropping down and enabling dad to handle shit.

But this is your choice. I've grabbed the gun when things go bump, sometimes I grab other things. It depends on a lot.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

TerryB wrote:What are the odds of a panicked person, possibly in the dark, pointing the can the right direction? And also not also misting themselves during the melee?

Way fucking better than the gun...I sense and feel your doubt so you just go ahead and spend 3 bucks on the spray tomorrow, consult me if you wish on how to pose your targets. Then, give the can to your wife and let's see how round one plays out. I suspect you will be oddly at peace.

I was in HD today and this came to mind. I purchased a few cans that don't have tops but an easy access spray button that intuitively faces in the correct direction. Why?

First, they were $1.97/can so it was cheap.

Second, my wife refuses to consider anything physical or violent for self defense. I asked her how she felt about this and she liked the idea, so now she has a can in the bedroom and one in the kitchen. Literally, all I'm looking for is for her to discourage someone nefarious or to buy a few uninterrupted seconds to get out of the house if necessary.

Third, they're handy to keep under the car seat unless it gets too hot.

Fourth, it could come in handy if the dog gets into a row w/another dog or a woodchuck or something (both are things I've been surprised by).

Fifth, BEEZ IN THE WALL (which I've had).

Thumbtack a paper plate to a tree in your yard with a mean face drawn on it and tell her to have at it, just for giggles.

DARTH wrote: Depends on the layout of your home, your choice of ammo, how quick you can bring it into action and who and what trained you, to what extent plus a lot of other shit.

Also do you drill for any of this in your home and has the family been a part of that? Older kids know Dad is probably going right to lethality and what they are to do and dropping down and enabling dad to handle shit.

But this is your choice. I've grabbed the gun when things go bump, sometimes I grab other things. It depends on a lot.

Really good question in paragraph two and the honest answer is no drill other than fire drills. With that said, they know I am up for whatever. Come to think of it, putting down my incredibly awesome Blue Heeler, Arlo a few months ago has probably been a pretty big contributing factor to my already piss poor sleep habits. At least with him, I knew he was on patrol throughout the house like a little blue psycho, all night long.

Per your last paragraph, as you well know I do understand it depends on a lot. I will go on the record and say I'd rather be hit with a .38 in the leg (no artery hit, of course) than take an eye and mouthful of wasp spray....assuming the scenario was to function after the fact.

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:I think Spells is dead wrong about gun control, but I think he's getting some unfair shit here on a personal level. My living situation is probably more like his than anybody else's here. I know he's a grown man and can speak for himself, but I'm going to address this anyway.

Majority black neighborhood with a history of violent gun crime going back a few decades. Close to fifteen people shot within a few blocks from here this year. Virtually impossible to own a gun legally.
On top of that, I ride the subway home late at night, often with several hundred dollars cash in my pocket.
I walk with awareness of my surroundings, but no fear. Several of you have met me in real life and can attest that I don't present as a soft target. Nothing submissive in my demeanor.
As a white male who minds his own business, I don't have to worry about a fucking thing. Sure, maybe something random and freakish could occur, but that would be random and freakish so I don't fucking think about it.

At this point, I don't worry about my fiancé either. She lived here in a much earlier stage of gentrification and was fine.

Some of the notions about personal security that I'm seeing here just seem a little unrealistic. Of course, if I lived in a white suburb among people with money, I probably would want to be prepared for the possibility of home invasion, but among the potential thugs, I don't really have much to,worry about.

Blacks almost always shoot other blacks. There has to be a way to keep guns away from crazies, without taking them from everybody else. But we currently have laws that are meant to do that, and apparently we can't enforce them. Maybe someone should fix that first.

Quick story that I will share since it was many many moons ago although it is utterly embarrassing......When I got out of the USMC, like you, I worked on the east side and largely for tips. I was a doorman at a three star on 39/Lex, a block up from the Cuban Mission and 3 down from Grand Central. OMG I was a party fucking animal that year and as you probably know, the city was a shithole, worse than today's DeBlasio even....although he is working like hell to catch up to Dinkins, it appears. Anyhow, I was on the F train, quite buzzed and fell asleep. I woke up at the end of the line on the Jamacia, Queens side to two negros attempting to remove my Fossil watch.....of course, at the time Fossis were kinda hip. I was half asleep and belted one of the with a side slap.....no talent or nothing, just a reverse haymaker. They bolted. I still had my watch but realized my pockets were slashed and my money was gone......they were smart enough to work on that first.

I don't have a conceal/carry right now mainly because I just haven't gotten around to it and home projects, kid's sports and life overall are taking priority. In our vehicles, you might find two foot, heavy, pieces of hickory branches that fit perfectly in one's hand on the driver's side....for playing fetch with the dog, of course. You might find a couple of box cutters in the wells of both front doors, because sometimes seatbelts can't be unbuckled easily after an accident *one has to know how to articulate everything at all times if you ever ever ever have to defend yourself* Now, in rare instances I might be in an area where it's night time and gangstas might be out, I tend to have an unopened can of Red Bull in my hand. I'm pretty sure you can figure out why. Last time that was was last Christmas in Minneapolis and I was utterly unconcerned to be honest. Although I did buy two cans of Red Bull. One I drank right away, the other I wanted to save for later, you know, in case I got sleepy or thirsty.

Holy shit, I think I'm coming around on this wasp spray thing...

All you need is The Atomic Elbow of doom and your stomping foot. Ask hollandoates...Bd walks among the unwashed masses without fear (because they are all high).

That's not entirely true. I spilled my coffee once amidst some fisticuffs. . That was a mournful day.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:All you need is The Atomic Elbow of doom and your stomping foot. Ask hollandoates...Bd walks among the unwashed masses without fear (because they are all high).

That's not entirely true. I spilled my coffee once amidst some fisticuffs. . That was a mournful day.

Oh yeah you unwashed mofos (although we both know our boy HOates has been through the ringer in RL.

The take away I am trying to impress on others is that I've learned many people have not punched another in the face, really hard....ever. Those of you who have, likely have not done so to the point of incapacitating your opponent (any of you tough guy douchebags have a clue how sick to your stomach you'd be if you punched a mofo in the head, laid him out and then watched him spasm on the ground?)....look gang, i want you y'all defending you and yours and i really would like to ideally see it done with a gun. Quite honestly, the problem is you and your lack of experience in such a matter when the split second is at hand and i trust all of you who are not vets or cops with bug spray over a gun.

This level of violence is a pretty big deal and more so if it comes out of nowhere vs. say, responding to a 911 call as a trained cop with a partner or back up on the way.

No, I'm totally serious - I'm coming around on the bug spray issue.... A huge fear is putting a slug through a wall and hitting the babe or a neighbor.

Boris wrote:No, I'm totally serious - I'm coming around on the bug spray issue.... A huge fear is putting a slug through a wall and hitting the babe or a neighbor.

It just makes sense and again, I'm nearly positive it was an IG buddy who turned me onto the idea, but not here. Another, non Igx guy said that when he surveyed convicts who did home invasions, nothing was scarier to them then the sound of a shotgun being made ready to fire. This dude i think was in AZ, NM, or NV if you want to check my shit....pls post if you do.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:This level of violence is a pretty big deal and more so if it comes out of nowhere vs. say, responding to a 911 call as a trained cop with a partner or back up on the way.

Bingo. I've tried to illustrate this point to some of the guys in my varied circles and they seem to think it's gonna be like the movies. The capacity to do the kind of violence that we are talking about, while there, often hits a mental disconnect and creates hesitation that can lead to some bad situations becoming worse. Growing up in the environment I did and then realizing that there are grown men that honestly have trouble hitting someone threw me for a loop when I was a teen. Hell, doing self defense stuff, it's crazy but folks sometimes seem more hesitant about hitting their opponent hard than they are about getting hit. Crazy.

LOL at the movies thing....and guys also have no clue how loud a gunshot indoors is without ear protection/non range setting and if you go down and your kids are screaming and trying to hide behind your wife.......I need go no further.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:LOL at the movies thing....and guys also have no clue how loud a gunshot indoors is without ear protection/non range setting and if you go down and your kids are screaming and trying to hide behind your wife.......I need go no further.

https://youtu.be/48OIIQJd7Js?t=152