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milosz wrote: Both sides panic about the noteworthy rather than the commonplace - making all the guns in America disappear with magic would be less effective at curbing violence than an immediate cessation of the war on drugs. Rending your garments about the scary Mohammedans next door does far less than a foreign policy that doesn't involve destabilizing regions and propping up oppressive regimes for decades on end, fostering ill will and resentment.

Nice. Well done. Seriously.

"shooter, make ready."

http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmcx

dead man walking wrote:"shooter, make ready."

http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmcx

You can build a nicer custom one from parts for cheaper, dmw.

according to rachel meadow, everyone's favorite gun expert, this was the shooter's weapon.

$2,100 on the internet, based on a quick search

I've never grasped what's special about the MCX aside from the lack of buffer tube so you can throw on a folding stock.

My father's got an MPX (same concept as 9mm pistol), haven't shot it with a stock because they weren't available to SBR before (and will never be now, probably), it was... fine. The Scorpion feels better to me for 60% of the price.

I don't think they're going to go after sbrs and suppressors. They make too much money for the atf and no crimes are being committed with them. The peoplen that buy them are enthusiasts.

The left knows that the gun question is a generational issue. Anyone over 50 years old probably needn't worry.

Anyone under 50 years old.....

A Yale educated NY Daily News reporter fires an AR-15 for the first time...

I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/f ... -1.2673201

I don't know, I've seen polls that millenials are actually a bit less pro-gun control than their elders. I am holding out hope that they become disgusted at being lied to.

Yeah, I saw that piece. What a splendid example of unbiased journalism. And of course he throws in a comment about full auto. The FB comments from women who have fired an AR-15 are just brutal.

Oh, and the gun shop owner in this piece has released a statement that his views were completely misrepresented by the journalist, and that he advocated for precisely none of what the author says he did. Surprise!

Turdacious wrote:A Yale educated NY Daily News reporter fires an AR-15 for the first time...

I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/f ... -1.2673201

Jews have a knack for dramatic embellishment and overall flair for effete masculinity.

What a fucking pussy. He is still sucking from mams tit I bet.

tough old man wrote:What a fucking pussy. He is still sucking from mams tit I bet.

Mostly, he's a liar. From the picture, he's a right-handed firer, meaning the brass doesn't pass by his face. He was wearing hearing protection, so no deafening blast. He has no idea what a bomb or explosion sounds like or he'd never confuse the sound of one with a rifle. The M16 and it's variants, along with it's varmint cartridge, is specifically chosen for extremely light recoil; the military trains several tens of thousands each year to shoot the rifle well, including 100lb diminutive women. Recoil isn't an issue. If he had really shot pistols, 9mm on up, then he wouldn't conclude that the recoil of the rifle is worse than the pistol.

tough old man wrote:What a fucking pussy. He is still sucking from mams tit I bet.

No man card for him

The best part is the follow-up piece where the writer doubles down.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2674555

Everything you need to know about Gersh...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2501461

nafod wrote:

tough old man wrote:What a fucking pussy. He is still sucking from mams tit I bet.

No man card for him

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LOL at that. I'd really rather the Elizabeth Warren-types not decide this, and there's a non-zero chance of the 2016 ending up with Democrats in charge of the House, Senate, White House, and Supreme Court.

It's not a bad time to start thinking of some kind of security checks.

Sua Sponte wrote:

tough old man wrote:What a fucking pussy. He is still sucking from mams tit I bet.

Mostly, he's a liar.

This is the most wearying part for me- I try to explain to somebody that has been spoon-fed this stuff how they are being continually deceived by both outright lies, and by being given partial truths- and each and every journalistic falsehood has to be slowly shown up with iron-clad proof, while the propaganda from those guys is taken at face value, no proof required. People just don't want to believe they are being lied to that much by "their" side, and are predisposed to believing the other side is lying. That is true of many people on either side of issues, I'm afraid. At this point, personally, I just assume all politicians are lying until I find out otherwise.

Like for Mexico "the BATFE traces a majority of crime guns to a US origin". No, just a majority of the guns they are given, which is a minority of confiscated guns. Guns obviously of other origin are not sent to the BATFE, because the BATFE cannot trace a gun that never entered the US.

Or both Castle doctrine and Stand your Ground laws... claim after claim that those make it legal to just kill people if you claim self-defense, when they alter nothing about justification of use of force, merely whether you are required, in some circumstances, to attempt to flee first.

Repeated references to full-auto weapons when discussing semi-auto, never mentioning those are tightly controlled and practically never used in crime.

rewriting the meaning of Supreme Court decisions like Miller, I just recently read an editorial that said it ruled you had to be in a militia to have a right to bear arms. (oh yeah, and they never mention Miller died before review and his lawyer never got to argue his case before the Supreme Court)

I could go on all day with examples...

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Everything you need to know about Gersh...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2501461

Edit: Fuck, wrong guy. Still a good read so I'll leave the link. Goes partially to Schlegel's point.

http://weaponsman.com/?p=32689#more-32689

Schlegel wrote: People just don't want to believe they are being lied to that much by "their" side, and are predisposed to believing the other side is lying. That is true of many people on either side of issues, I'm afraid.

i land about where you do in this statement, but i'm not sure the issue is always "lying."

for example, the daily news guy is a provocateur, and readers rise to his tasteless bait like starved fish.

people on each side are zealous, doctrinaire, and so fucking righteous. participants react angrily. the pattern is repeated endlessly, a provokes, b gets angry. b provokes, a gets angry.

this issue and the cacophony it produces demonstrates the weak hold that reason has on the human mind.

It's threads like these that reaffirm my faith in mankind. Seriously. I understand where everyone is coming from here. Am I the weird one?

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:The left knows that the gun question is a generational issue. Anyone over 50 years old probably needn't worry.

Anyone under 50 years old.....

The polarization thing is very real. Holy crap - I think people who are moderate are afraid to open their traps for fear of being labeled. I know I am. You're either all in, or all out.

When I was a kid, I remember riding my moped across town with a .22 (in a soft case) strapped across my back. Even if I trusted my own kid completely, I could never let him do that today (and I am fine with that fwiw - just noting how different things are).

WildGorillaMan wrote:The best part is the follow-up piece where the writer doubles down.

"Using an AR-15 made me irritable and jittery for hours afterwards. To me, it felt like a bazooka." I get this A LITTLE. An indoor range is noisy and it's not a lot of fun if the guy next to you is spitting shells into your face, but wow... a bazooka...

Now I want a Bazooka....TNXOBAMA,

The real future isn't the AR...it's a Tavor.

Schlegel wrote: Like for Mexico "the BATFE traces a majority of crime guns to a US origin". No, just a majority of the guns they are given, which is a minority of confiscated guns. Guns obviously of other origin are not sent to the BATFE, because the BATFE cannot trace a gun that never entered the US.
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I could go on all day with examples...

Come on now... the # of small arms going south across the border is pretty large (estimates put that number at 100,000+ and that's low balling it significantly). I have no idea what the number of arms supplied to govts. and rebels throughout Central and South America is, but I'm guessing it's huge.

If I got a bullpup it would be a PS90. Yes, I am huge Sci Fi nerd. But I think a PS90 SBRed with a silencer would be fantastic.

Boris wrote:

Schlegel wrote: Like for Mexico "the BATFE traces a majority of crime guns to a US origin". No, just a majority of the guns they are given, which is a minority of confiscated guns. Guns obviously of other origin are not sent to the BATFE, because the BATFE cannot trace a gun that never entered the US.
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I could go on all day with examples...

Come on now... the # of small arms going south across the border is pretty large (estimates put that number at 100,000+ and that's low balling it significantly). I have no idea what the number of arms supplied to govts. and rebels throughout Central and South America is, but I'm guessing it's huge.

In truth, no one agrees on the actual number, but it is not possible to say that 90% of Mexican crime guns are known to come from the US, although this is repeatedly published as unquestioned fact. certainly illegal US sales can not be a significant source of full-auto weapons, even though cartels use large numbers of them, since you can not just walk in and buy them in a US gun shop. Arms supplied to governments are known to fall in to cartel hands as an astoundingly high percentage of the Mexican Army defects annually, and they are known to occasionally attack and empty arms depots. By rights, these arms really should be discounted from the analysis, since no amount of US civilian gun control can reduce them.

Here's the relevant wiki, FWIW:

In 2009, Mexico reported that they held 305,424 confiscated firearms,[30] but submitted data of only 69,808 recovered firearms to the ATF for tracing between 2007 and 2009.[8] This is a 23% sample of total gun population. To be statistically accurate, the property in the sample should reflect the population as a whole. Some analysts claim the sample submitted for tracing is preselected to represent the guns that Mexican authorities suspect are US origin.[31] The US Congress has been informed that ATF agents working in Mexico routinely instruct Mexican authorities "to only submit weapons for tracing that have a likelihood of tracing back to the U.S .... instead of simply wasting resources on tracing firearms that will not trigger a U.S. source." This policy skews the pool of weapons submitted for tracing to weapons already suspected of being US origin.[32] Gun-rights groups use the absolute number between seizures and traces to question whether the majority of illegal guns in Mexico really come from the United States.[33] Gun control advocates use the 48% to 87% successful US origin trace rate to call for re-enactment of the sunsetted Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994-2004.[34]