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dead man walking wrote: looking ahead, with rising seas likely to be damaging to large numbers of poor in the third world and with drought also likely to harm the poor in the mideast and africa, what once worked may no longer work so well.

the conundrum is that many of the poor have been lifted because of improvements powered by fossil energy, but now the consequences of that fossil energy could bite them in the ass.

i'll overlook your use of the modifier "enlightened" to characterize the behavior of multinationals.

Turdacious wrote:

dead man walking wrote: looking ahead, with rising seas likely to be damaging to large numbers of poor in the third world and with drought also likely to harm the poor in the mideast and africa, what once worked may no longer work so well.

the conundrum is that many of the poor have been lifted because of improvements powered by fossil energy, but now the consequences of that fossil energy could bite them in the ass.

i'll overlook your use of the modifier "enlightened" to characterize the behavior of multinationals.

As opposed to following the policies of 'enlightened' bureaucrats and regimes? How'd that work?

dead man walking wrote:well, the clean air act and the clean water act have worked well.

dead man walking wrote:well, the clean air act and the clean water act have worked well....

Turdacious wrote:

dead man walking wrote:well, the clean air act and the clean water act have worked well.

By providing a competitive advantage to polluting businesses in countries with no environmental regulations? Ok.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Quick show of hands.

Who in this thread actually knows and/or talks regularly with actively working research scientists in any field, closely or even tangentially related?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Quick show of hands.

Who in this thread actually knows and/or talks regularly with actively working research scientists in any field, closely or even tangentially related?

dead man walking wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

dead man walking wrote:well, the clean air act and the clean water act have worked well.

By providing a competitive advantage to polluting businesses in countries with no environmental regulations? Ok.

are you suggesting that we should allow the health of our citizens to be harmed so that private enterprises can make more profit?

Turdacious wrote: I'm saying let's be honest . . . the health of citizens in other countries has declined while they've gotten better paying jobs (by their standards).

dead man walking wrote:

Turdacious wrote: I'm saying let's be honest . . . the health of citizens in other countries has declined while they've gotten better paying jobs (by their standards).

on the previous page you wrote: "I also think the world is a better place than it was back then, in large part because of the enlightened self interest of large multinational corporations-- the several billion people who no longer live in abject poverty their ancestors did would probably agree."

i'm willing to wager that the "better paying jobs" and improved overall living conditions (which you highlighted) have resulted in improvements to health overall.

Herv100 wrote:You can thank pussies like dmw for not being able to buy a decent gas can anymore. Not like he cares, he's too weak and broke down to do yard work.

SYDNEY, Australia — Australian researchers say rising sea levels have wiped out a rodent that lived on a tiny outcrop in the Great Barrier Reef, in what they say is the first documented extinction of a mammal species due to man-made climate change.

Now Prof Tol has a new paper, published as a chapter in a new book, called How Much have Global Problems Cost the World?, which is edited by Bjorn Lomborg, director of the Copenhagen Consensus Centre, and was reviewed by a group of leading economists. In this paper he casts his gaze backwards to the last century. He concludes that climate change did indeed raise human and planetary welfare during the 20th century.

The chief benefits of global warming include: fewer winter deaths; lower energy costs; better agricultural yields; probably fewer droughts; maybe richer biodiversity. It is a little-known fact that winter deaths exceed summer deaths — not just in countries like Britain but also those with very warm summers, including Greece. Both Britain and Greece see mortality rates rise by 18 per cent each winter. Especially cold winters cause a rise in heart failures far greater than the rise in deaths during heatwaves.

The increase in average carbon dioxide levels over the past century, from 0.03 per cent to 0.04 per cent of the air, has had a measurable impact on plant growth rates. It is responsible for a startling change in the amount of greenery on the planet. As Dr Ranga Myneni of Boston University has documented, using three decades of satellite data, 31 per cent of the global vegetated area of the planet has become greener and just 3 per cent has become less green. This translates into a 14 per cent increase in productivity of ecosystems and has been observed in all vegetation types.

Sangoma wrote:http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/10/carry-on-warming/

The chief benefits of global warming include: fewer winter deaths; lower energy costs; better agricultural yields; probably fewer droughts; maybe richer biodiversity. It is a little-known fact that winter deaths exceed summer deaths — not just in countries like Britain but also those with very warm summers, including Greece. Both Britain and Greece see mortality rates rise by 18 per cent each winter. Especially cold winters cause a rise in heart failures far greater than the rise in deaths during heatwaves.

Published this week in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, the findings revealed 2080 is likely to be the year when heat deaths are expected to triple in New York City. This means more than 3,000 people dying each year from heat exhaustion and dehydration, as well as heart and respiratory problems, the study said.

the findings revealed 2080 is likely to be

Sangoma wrote:

the findings revealed 2080 is likely to be

New form in the English grammar, is it? Past in the future.
Get serious, Dead Man, 2080? By that time the population of New York is likely to triple. Who is going to be accountable for this prediction anyway?

In terms of unprecedented CO2 concentration in the Antarctic - how did they estimate CO2 ppm one thousand years ago?

The troublesome tear in Earth's protective blanket is getting stitched up. A gaping hole in the ozone layer has been opening up over Antarctica each spring for decades. And now there are signs that the slow process of healing has begun, according to a study published Thursday in the journal Science. Scientists credit this progress to the 1987 Montreal Protocol, an international treaty that phased out chemicals that eat away at the ozone layer, which shields our planet from deadly levels of radiation [...]

Last year we actually observed the biggest ever October ozone hole," Solomon says. "It was a shock to the scientific community. How can you have the biggest ozone hole now when it should be starting to heal?" Through their models, Solomon and her team were able to find the answer: volcanoes. The increase in the ozone hole was thanks to the eruption of the Andean volcano Calbuco. The small particles shot into the atmosphere by the erupting volcano provided just the right seeds for more clouds to form. And more clouds meant that the chemical reactions could happen more readily.

"It looks like we're starting to emerge toward the real healing of the Antarctic ozone hole," says Paul Newman, chief scientist for atmospheric sciences at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center who was not part of the study. But, "do we all adjourn to stage a big party tomorrow about the Montreal Protocol's success? Well, maybe not," Dr. Newman tells the Monitor. Newman is hesitant to pin the shrinking ozone depletion to these human efforts because of a mismatch between Solomon's models of how much the hole should be shrinking due to the reduction in CFCs and what is actually happening.

dead man walking wrote:sangria doesn't have a clue how they do climate science. he just knows its wrong.