Politi "Fact" - Michelle O and "White House built by slaves"

johno · Post by **johno** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:03 pm

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ilt-slave/

Obama said the White House "was built by slaves." Strictly speaking, the White House was not exclusively built by slaves; it was built by a combination of slaves, free blacks and whites. But slaves were significantly involved in the construction of the White House, so we have no quarrel with the way Obama worded her claim. We rate it True.

This is a comment that Mrs. Obama has repeated several times. And she has neglected to mention workers of any other complexion.
Wouldn't a PolitiFact rating of "Mostly True" or "Partly True" been more accurate?

What would they make of some other politician's claim that the US "was built by white people," (or "by Christians") who certainly were significantly involved in the construction of the US? I'd guess it would merit their "Pants on Fire" rating for falsehood.

My primary point is that PolitiFact is in the business of "context" and often has a PC viewpoint.

IMO, the NYTimes got it right in their headline: Yes, Slaves Did Help Build the White House

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:29 am

hey, slave labor is cool. bill o'reilly said so:

Political TV host Bill O’Reilly defended the United States' use of slave labor after Michelle Obama highlighted the fact that the White House “was built by slaves” during her DNC address.

"The O'Reilly Factor" host, while fact-checking Obama’s remarks, said on his show Tuesday that the slaves who toiled from 1792 to 1800 to build the White House were “well-fed and had decent lodging.”

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:42 am

Ah....facts. Original White House burned to ground in 1814 by the Brits. Rebuilt, so no Michelle, you and the youngins are inside slave free walls.

Lets not even go to that lil' shindig in '61-65 that cost 650k lives, more than WW1 and WW2 combined.

No wonder she failed the bar exam on her first try.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:06 pm

powerlifter54 wrote:Ah....facts. Original White House burned to ground in 1814 by the Brits. Rebuilt, so no Michelle, you and the youngins are inside slave free walls.

Lets not even go to that lil' shindig in '61-65 that cost 650k lives, more than WW1 and WW2 combined.

No wonder she failed the bar exam on her first try.

facts: according to the white house historical association, it did not burn to the ground:

The roof and the interior of the White House were destroyed. There was talk of building a new White House from scratch at another location — perhaps even another city — but President James Madison (1809-1817) moved quickly to have Hoban return to reconstruct the building. . . . Sections of the original walls were inspected and saved. . . .

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:13 pm

Sections of the original walls were inspected and saved. . . .

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:27 pm

dead man walking wrote:hey, slave labor is cool. bill o'reilly said so:

"The O'Reilly Factor" host, while fact-checking Obama’s remarks, said on his show Tuesday that the slaves who toiled from 1792 to 1800 to build the White House were “well-fed and had decent lodging.”

"Live Free or Well-Fed with Decent Lodging"

And she has neglected to mention workers of any other complexion.
Wouldn't a PolitiFact rating of "Mostly True" or "Partly True" been more accurate?

Your guy told a series of whoppers last week, and now you're splitting hairs over whether something is "True" or "Mostly True."

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:44 pm

dead man walking wrote:hey, slave labor is cool. bill o'reilly said so:

Political TV host Bill O’Reilly defended the United States' use of slave labor after Michelle Obama highlighted the fact that the White House “was built by slaves” during her DNC address.

"The O'Reilly Factor" host, while fact-checking Obama’s remarks, said on his show Tuesday that the slaves who toiled from 1792 to 1800 to build the White House were “well-fed and had decent lodging.”

I doubt contracting has changed much since the White House was built, and slavery was legal in DC, VA, and MD at the time. If slaves were the cheapest labor source available, I'd be shocked if they weren't used. I'm betting that the more dangerous work was done by non-slave labor though-- no incentive to keep them alive.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:51 pm

the way donald contracts doesn't seem to be much different from the good old days of slavery.

he doesn't pay.

that is TRUE

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:06 pm

dead man walking wrote:the way donald contracts doesn't seem to be much different from the good old days of slavery.

he doesn't pay.

that is TRUE

Even PolitiFact would classify that as 'Pants on Fire.' You definitely validated johno's point though.

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:11 pm

The White House was built by blacks?

Where are all those White Houses in Haiti and Africa?

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:28 pm

Turdacious wrote:
dead man walking wrote:the way donald contracts doesn't seem to be much different from the good old days of slavery.

he doesn't pay.

that is TRUE
Even PolitiFact would classify that as 'Pants on Fire.' You definitely validated johno's point though.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2722244

merely one example. judicial ruling douses your pathetic pants-on-fire assertion. many others.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /85297274/

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:46 pm

dead man walking wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
dead man walking wrote:the way donald contracts doesn't seem to be much different from the good old days of slavery.

he doesn't pay.

that is TRUE
Even PolitiFact would classify that as 'Pants on Fire.' You definitely validated johno's point though.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2722244

merely one example. judicial ruling douses your pathetic pants-on-fire assertion. many others.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /85297274/

That's hardly the equivalent of slavery.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:53 pm

Turdacious wrote:
dead man walking wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
dead man walking wrote:the way donald contracts doesn't seem to be much different from the good old days of slavery.

he doesn't pay.

that is TRUE
Even PolitiFact would classify that as 'Pants on Fire.' You definitely validated johno's point though.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2722244

merely one example. judicial ruling douses your pathetic pants-on-fire assertion. many others.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /85297274/
I was wrong, but now stand corrected. Thank you, DMW

johno · Post by **johno** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:58 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote: Your guy told a series of whoppers last week, and now you're splitting hairs over whether something is "True" or "Mostly True."

johno wrote: My primary point is that PolitiFact is in the business of "context" and often has a PC viewpoint.

So did Politi"Fact" whitewash Trump's whoppers, rating half-truths as "True?"

PS - Trump is not my guy. But Hillary is definitely NOT my guy.

johno · Post by **johno** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:00 pm

To gin up the black vote that is probably apathetic about Hillary, let's just have Michelle repeatedly bring up slavery. That wouldn't be exploitive, divisive, or dishonest.

Yes I Have Balls · Post by **Yes I Have Balls** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:42 pm

#AllLivesMatter same shit.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:36 pm

johno wrote:To gin up the black vote that is probably apathetic about Hillary, let's just have Michelle repeatedly bring up slavery. That wouldn't be exploitive, divisive, or dishonest.

Did you want this thing or was there a transcript? I'm not sure I have the stomach for either but I want to keep up with the snopes off threads.

johno · Post by **johno** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:00 pm

"I wake up every morning in a house (the White House) that was built by slaves."
— Michelle Obama on Monday, July 25th, 2016 in a speech at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia

BD, is that what you were asking about? This is her latest repetition, not the first time she has said it.

*****

PS - Snopes rates her claim as "Mostly True."

http://www.snopes.com/was-the-white-hou ... by-slaves/

Yes I Have Balls · Post by **Yes I Have Balls** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:56 pm

johno wrote:To gin up the black vote that is probably apathetic about Hillary...

Black women LOVE Hillary and will vote for her in droves. You better thank them, as likely they're the only thing between the US and a Trump presidency.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:12 pm

johno wrote:
"I wake up every morning in a house (the White House) that was built by slaves."
— Michelle Obama on Monday, July 25th, 2016 in a speech at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia
BD, is that what you were asking about? This is her latest repetition, not the first time she has said it.

*****

PS - Snopes rates her claim as "Mostly True."

http://www.snopes.com/was-the-white-hou ... by-slaves/

I just didn't want to have to read the damn speech everyone is crowing/complaining about. MO is like an inert gas..I give zero fux one way opr the other...but then, we see what turrible ambitions First Bitches can get up to....so may be important to track this one.

johno · Post by **johno** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:14 pm

I'm sure Michelle is as committed to healing the racial divide as her husband has been.

Yes I Have Balls · Post by **Yes I Have Balls** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:16 pm

johno wrote:To gin up the black vote that is probably apathetic about Hillary,

https://storify.com/docrocktex26/the-ci ... e-ever-saw

Really more about Bernie and why he DIDN'T get the black vote, but also pretty clear about why Clinton did and will in November.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:19 pm

johno wrote:I'm sure Michelle is as committed to healing the racial divide as her husband has been.

Alright.......

I'll bite.

You'll have to just trust me that I'm not setting you up. I legit don't see this huge theme y'all are worried about. I dislike the guy politically...I deeply dislike his politics, and he's shady..but this particular theme rings hollow.

So...Johno, you're the first Negro Prez...been a proud Negro your whole life. Made a career off catering to your base. What do you do differently that advances the ball but doesn't undermine your cred with your base...or maybe more importantly, doesn't seem disingenuous?

Gimme a good example of a fork in the road moment where he could have authentically gone another way.

johno · Post by **johno** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:00 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
johno wrote:I'm sure Michelle is as committed to healing the racial divide as her husband has been.

...
So...Johno, you're the first Negro Prez...been a proud Negro your whole life. Made a career off catering to your base. What do you do differently that advances the ball but doesn't undermine your cred with your base...or maybe more importantly, doesn't seem disingenuous?

Gimme a good example of a fork in the road moment where he could have authentically gone another way.

Man, that pitch is Low & Slow...just like I like my women.

But I'm going to swing fast, because I'm in a hurry.

In all of the following:
1) Henry Louis Gates
2) Trayvon Martin
3) Michael Brown
4) Baltimore Dead Guy
5) The several recent White Cop/Black Shootee YouTube videos (Baton Rouge, Michigan)

Obama could have educated ALL citizens about:
a) Due Process
b) past use of Lynchings, and that jumping to hasty conclusions based on first impressions has led to injustice for many black (and white) citizens
c) Investigations take time, but misleading videos and street rumors are virtually instantaneous
d) Each incident is individual, i.e., that virtually all the important circumstances of incidents #1-5 are unique & unconnected to each other, and may or may not be informed by slavery, Jim Crow, or race hate by police
e) Many of the investigators, elected officials, jury members, and judges will be black
f) A deliberate process that gathers all the evidence will take time, and will not always be perfect. But is the best that is humanly possible.

And that WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, as Obama said before his first election, to the applause of almost all who believed him.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:26 pm

johno wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
johno wrote:I'm sure Michelle is as committed to healing the racial divide as her husband has been.

...
So...Johno, you're the first Negro Prez...been a proud Negro your whole life. Made a career off catering to your base. What do you do differently that advances the ball but doesn't undermine your cred with your base...or maybe more importantly, doesn't seem disingenuous?

Gimme a good example of a fork in the road moment where he could have authentically gone another way.
Man, that pitch is Low & Slow...just like I like my women.

But I'm going to swing fast, because I'm in a hurry.

In all of the following:
1) Henry Louis Gates
2) Trayvon Martin
3) Michael Brown
4) Baltimore Dead Guy
5) The several recent White Cop/Black Shootee YouTube videos (Baton Rouge, Michigan)

Obama could have educated ALL citizens about:
a) Due Process
b) past use of Lynchings, and that jumping to hasty conclusions based on first impressions has led to injustice for many black (and white) citizens
c) Investigations take time, but misleading videos and street rumors are virtually instantaneous
d) Each incident is individual, i.e., that virtually all the important circumstances of incidents #1-5 are unique & unconnected to each other, and may or may not be informed by slavery, Jim Crow, or race hate by police
e) Many of the investigators, elected officials, jury members, and judges will be black
f) A deliberate process that gathers all the evidence will take time, and will not always be perfect. But is the best that is humanly possible.

And that WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, as Obama said before his first election, to the applause of almost all who believed him.

My bias is clear..I give very few fux about how the Police and Justice System in General treat blacks as opposed to white. (they DO treat them differently, this is not really disputable on a population level) I'm concerned with the way LE treats ALL of us....but if I were black, or you were black, and we heard BO pitching that story above ^^^ I'll bet you dollars to donuts the first response would be "uncle Tom" ...not that this is fair, it just is the way the ball lies.

So can you allow there is a possible middle ground because none of your "education" moments (whether I agree or disagree) would have read as authentic to me at all. In fact, I'd be pretty revolted if he went that way. BUT....I could see him be even handed..."in the wake of what appears to be a terrible tragedy, we should all keep in mind....followed up with a AND HOLD OUR LOCAL LEO/PROSECUTORS RESPONSIBLE. Cause you couldn't reasonably argue that in the cold light of day, with the races reversed, a lot of those incidents were pretty revolting on first glance...some continue to be revolting even if you can understand how it happened. I'm having a hard time picturing how differently he could have pitched it without being someone he's not. If Trump teaches us one thing....Be yourself..Being a piece of shit is forgivable, being a fake ass piece of shit is not.

IGX

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