Q for the Republicans

Yes, I'm drunk · Post by **Yes, I'm drunk** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:09 pm

Never thought I'd see the day when a "libertarian" sought to impose a speech code on another person.

Like Orwell said: "Four legs good, two legs better!" The left just keeps on winning.....

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:06 am

Gary would be a fantastic leader on the international stage. A real go-getter that Gary Johnson.

He's fine as the guy who has the freedom and lack of responsibility to rely on high minded principles. That's where he ends.

I probably side with him too on most issues, but I also side with some of my friends on most issues. I'm still not writing them in on my ballot.

Yes, I'm drunk · Post by **Yes, I'm drunk** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:23 am

TerryB wrote:He's fine as the guy who has the freedom and lack of responsibility to rely on high minded principles.

It's not even that.

He actually sat in front of another man and told him to his face that he wasn't permitted to use certain words to express and/or articulate certain ideas.

And this guy claims to be a libertarian!!

The truth is that libertardarians are just another branch of the left. They work for the same ends but under a different guise.

We've always known it. Just now we have the proof.

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:32 pm

Johnson was my fallback protest vote. As a president he probably wouldn't be worse than the other two but he was unimpressive on Fox News Sunday and the passion for speech code enforcement isn't for me.

If I can't bring myself to pull the Trump lever, it might be time to write in Greg Glassman. America needs leader who's strong across broad time and many modalities. "Be stupid for me" 2016!

johno · Post by **johno** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:57 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:the passion for speech code enforcement isn't for me.

We need a President overflowing with foulmouthed ignorance.

Wow. I guess I'm supporting Trump.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:57 pm

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:He actually sat in front of another man and told him to his face that he wasn't permitted to use certain words to express and/or articulate certain ideas.

And this guy claims to be a libertarian!!

Source? This seems like the opposite of Libertarianism. Johnson would be a nut to do that.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:25 pm

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:
TerryB wrote:He's fine as the guy who has the freedom and lack of responsibility to rely on high minded principles.
It's not even that.

He actually sat in front of another man and told him to his face that he wasn't permitted to use certain words to express and/or articulate certain ideas.

He didn't say it wasn't permitted. He said it was stupid since it would piss off a key constituency and lose an election. The US people for a long time wink-winked at the folks crossing over to provide needed cheap labor, and neither the labor pool nor the folks with jobs awaiting wanted the INS rigamarole to get in the way. Right? Wrong? Both sides were happy with the status quo. Unwritten social contract.

Until now, that is, with Mr. Townhall going full-on pedant, wining his little battle but likely losing the war.

johno · Post by **johno** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:46 pm

nafod wrote:The US people for a long time wink-winked at the folks crossing over to provide needed cheap labor...Unwritten social contract.

Yes. And the unwritten social contract for the illegal aliens is that they were subject to deportation whenever the political winds changed.
They knew they were breaking our laws when they entered the country.

Personally, I think that many of them should probably be given legal status that is less than citizenship. But let's not pretend that the US promised them permanent residence.

******

This immigration thing has been a hypocritical Kabuki Dance of Lies. We need to get ahold of this thing: 1) as part of a return to being a nation of laws, and 2) because the immigration system needs to reorient to what's good for this country.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:28 pm

One could simply enforce existing immigration law.

Is that radical?

This "social contract" business...to the extent it exists on this issue, it was brokered by the two ruling parties in Washington, aided and abetted by employers in select industries. I'd suggest most people didn't think about it much at all, until recently.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:52 pm

nafod wrote: The US people for a long time wink-winked at the folks crossing over to provide needed cheap labor, and neither the labor pool nor the folks with jobs awaiting wanted the INS rigamarole to get in the way. Right? Wrong? Both sides were happy with the status quo. Unwritten social contract.

It's actually a series of unwritten social contracts. The argument regarding immigration is different for farm labor than for construction; and it varies by area. The argument changes whether you're talking about low retail prices or jobs and wages.

FWIW, this is the best analysis I've seen: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/ ... RR2017.pdf

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:50 pm

TerryB wrote:One could simply enforce existing immigration law.

Is that radical?

This "social contract" business...to the extent it exists on this issue, it was brokered by the two ruling parties in Washington, aided and abetted by employers in select industries.

I think you are exactly wrong on this regarding the politicians. They are lagging reality, not driving it. The businesses? Of course. Supply and demand.

Looks to me like this is a case of society doing what it is going to do, and Washington lagging. Much like recreational pot smoking or the 55 mph speed limit. Hey, we should have a war on drugs and throw everyone in jail, 3 strikes your out. That'd work good.

I agree with Johno that the immigration laws need rewriting, and having a legal status short of citizenship would be fine. I know professionals who are solid gold keepers who are waiting and waiting to get through the naturalization process.

Yes I Have Balls · Post by **Yes I Have Balls** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:14 pm

White people in this country are fucking insane. All it took was electing a black guy as President to get to this:

V.P. Nominee Mike Pence: "I think it's inarguable that Vladimir Putin has been a stronger leader in his country than Barack Obama has been in this country"

Are we talking about the same Putin? You know the guy who annexed the Crimean Peninsula, who is at war with Ukraine, who censors the media and has journalists assassinated? The guy who had his thugs shoot down a Malaysian airliner killing 300 people? That's the Putin I'm thinking of.

This not even 4 years since Romney called Putin the No. 1 geopolitic foe of the US?? Now we have Trump and Pence normalizing Putin's dictatorship?

WTF

DikTracy6000 · Post by **DikTracy6000** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:46 pm

Yes I Have Balls wrote:White people in this country are fucking insane. All it took was electing a black guy as President to get to this:

V.P. Nominee Mike Pence: "I think it's inarguable that Vladimir Putin has been a stronger leader in his country than Barack Obama has been in this country"
Are we talking about the same Putin? You know the guy who annexed the Crimean Peninsula, who is at war with Ukraine, who censors the media and has journalists assassinated? The guy who had his thugs shoot down a Malaysian airliner killing 300 people? That's the Putin I'm thinking of.

This not even 4 years since Romney called Putin the No. 1 geopolitic foe of the US?? Now we have Trump and Pence normalizing Putin's dictatorship?

WTF

Russia and China are both nuclear superpowers. We don't fuck with those kinds of dictatorships. Wanna drive your tanks over students, we're okay with that. We might say some harsh words about human rights, or boycott your Olympics.

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:55 pm

DikTracy6000 wrote: Russia and China...We don't fuck with those kinds of dictatorships. ...

You want us to?

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:42 pm

JMHO, but we need to down-scope the Presidency and its powers, and put more oomph back into the legislature. We don't want an American version of Putin.

Fuck Trump

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:58 pm

The way to screw over Putin is right in teh wallet. Encouraging pipelines across Iran and Turkey, removing sanctions against Iran, moar drilling in Egypt, US exports of LPG, and frack baby frack-- plus the other trade sanctions.

DikTracy6000 · Post by **DikTracy6000** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:19 pm

johno wrote:
DikTracy6000 wrote: Russia and China...We don't fuck with those kinds of dictatorships. ...
You want us to?

That's a big HELL NO.Was just responding to the outrage over Putin's style of leadership. I still subscribe to Washington's advice to stay out of foreign affairs(avoid alliances and maintain neutrality among nations).

Yes, I'm drunk · Post by **Yes, I'm drunk** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:30 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOT_BoGpCn4[/youtube]

And what is a "Leppo"?

Dude, weed: the Candidate.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:32 pm

nafod wrote:JMHO, but we need to down-scope the Presidency and its powers, and put more oomph back into the legislature. We don't want an American version of Putin.

Fuck Trump

If you think Trump is more likely to abuse (or extend) the power's of the Presidency than Clinton, you're wrong. Clinton's more honest supporters (e.g., Matt Yglesias and others at Vox.com) are salivating over her eagerness to abuse executive authority.

For example,

Clinton's record in politics is characterized by a clear willingness to push harder than the typical public figure against existing norms. There was no winnable Senate race for her to enter in Illinois or Arkansas in 2000, so she ran in New York instead. Barack Obama forbade her from employing Sidney Blumenthal at the State Department, so she employed him at her family's foundation instead. Sandy Berger faced criminal penalties for destroying classified documents at the National Archives, but that didn't stop Clinton from informally employing him as an adviser on sensitive Middle East peace negotiations.

She decides what she wants to do, in other words, and then she sets about finding a way to do it...

and

A lot of people are freaking out — justifiably — over Donald Trump’s eagerness to weaken or abandon democratic norms. But if Clinton is elected, she won’t just represent the absence of Trumpian disruption, nor a continuation of Obama’s rule. A Clinton administration, at least as we’ve seen it this week, would cement the expansive power of the 21st-century presidency — simply by accepting it as a legitimate alternative to bipartisanship.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:33 pm

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOT_BoGpCn4[/youtube]

And what is a "Leppo"?
Dude, weed: the Candidate.

He's still better on foreign policy than the warmongering arms merchant, or the reality TV star.

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:15 pm

For my current unhappy state, Dennis Prager has said it best: "Behind one door there is a Tiger. Behind the other door there might be a Tiger. Which door?"

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:18 pm

PS - being pro-pot does not a libertarian make. Johnson is a Big Government libertarian. "BAKE THAT CAKE!"

Herv100 · Post by **Herv100** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:18 pm

nafod wrote:JMHO, but we need to down-scope the Presidency and its powers, and put more oomph back into the legislature. We don't want an American version of Putin.

Fuck Trump

Yeah, but this wasn't a problem when Bush and Obama made more executive orders than any presidents in history and started more wars("but , but, they technically they weren't wars, they were military actions!" - statist scumbags) without congressional approval. LMAO

Herv100 · Post by **Herv100** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:21 pm

All you Johnson slurpers must have missed Rand Paul, who is more libertarian than Johnson could hope to be. In fact Johnson is a fake ass libertarian.

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:59 pm

Herv100 wrote:
nafod wrote:JMHO, but we need to down-scope the Presidency and its powers, and put more oomph back into the legislature. We don't want an American version of Putin.

Fuck Trump
Yeah, but this wasn't a problem when Bush and Obama made more executive orders than any presidents in history and started more wars("but , but, they technically they weren't wars, they were military actions!" - statist scumbags) without congressional approval. LMAO

Congress approved the Iraq Invasion, but didn't "Declare War."

IGX

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