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johno wrote:

nafod wrote:I'll speak to this one,...
None of the traffic suggested attempts to let secrets out. All of the traffic was between people with a need to know. It was the communication mechanism that was flawed.

Irrelevant. She held some of the nation's most sensitive material and she left it completely unprotected, even after a hacking scare.

Was she so naive as to think that foreign powers would not want to know the contents of her server?
If so, she is so detached from reality that she is unfit for office.

To streamline the conversation, address the above. My other comments are just icing on the cake.

Unless the State Department treats security mire lightly than the average statistical agency, there's no way that she thought a private server was allowed. I was literally badgered with rules about how confidential information had to be treated.

Hillary knew the server wasn't allowed, and she didn't give a shit. She wanted her blackberry, so fuck you and your stupid rules.

And, despite Nafod's claims, she did email classified information to people who weren't cleared to see it.

Then she repeatedly lied about the server, and had people delete information off of it. Comes said anyone else would be disciplined, but Hillary gets a promotion because the GOP is even more dysfunctional than the Democrats.

I only disagree that the server was primarily about the Blackberry. IMO, it was about avoiding accountability/FOIA...Hillary has been shady for her entire adult life.

johno wrote:I only disagree that the server was primarily about the Blackberry. IMO, it was about avoiding accountability/FOIA...Hillary has been shady for her entire adult life.

Clinton exhibits a heightened level of Nixon's worst personality characteristics of paranoia, dishonesty, hiding things, and obsession with "enemies". Considering what she's gotten away with by the JD, FBI & the press this year, along with the Repugs toothless investigations, lots of unpleasantness to come in the next, even more, imperial presidency.

johno wrote:

johno wrote:

nafod wrote:I'll speak to this one,...
None of the traffic suggested attempts to let secrets out. All of the traffic was between people with a need to know. It was the communication mechanism that was flawed.

Irrelevant. She held some of the nation's most sensitive material and she left it completely unprotected, even after a hacking scare.

Was she so naive as to think that foreign powers would not want to know the contents of her server?
If so, she is so detached from reality that she is unfit for office.

To streamline the conversation, address the above. My other comments are just icing on the cake.

It pains me to "defend" her. This is about proportion. I have never voted Dem for president before. Trump is that fucking bad.

First, foreign powers may have hacked her server. Foreign powers absolutely did, 100% fact, hack the DoS IT system and gain access to all the emails. They also have hacked CENTCOM networks and classified networks. Insiders have spilled the beans at the secret, top secret, and SAP levels. Her server was potentially a safe haven. Heh.

Second, regarding FOIA, if that was her concern up front, she did exactly the wrong thing. You don't try to hide emails from FOIA by sending them to broad government distributions at *.mil and *.state.gov addresses. You don't try to hide your personal emails by mixing them on a server with professional emails. You don't try to hide messaging from FOIA by using an unclass system, you use classified systems to put an instant blanket on it.

Third, if you read the FBI docs, it appears the most classified stuff was related to drone strikes, which are time sensitive targeting and have approval chains. Looks like they "talked around" providing approvals when they didn't have class comms access. You'll note in the FBI docs that the originators included senior staff, political appointees, and SES (flag level civilian professionals at State). This was how they did business, right or wrong. It is how it would have been done if she'd have used a *.state.gov email address, we just would not know about it.

The Whitewater investigation back in Clinton v1.0 ended up being a dumpster dive where Whitewater never came up, but banging some intern did. Benghazi was the exact same thing, where after 4 years of continuous investigation nothing was made to stick regarding the original purpose of the investigation (to howls of protest of the Limbaughs of the world) but they did unveil the email server in the dumpster. Got it, it was stupid, stupid is as stupid does, but just like in Clinton v1.0, the repubs are overplaying their hand.

Here's the latest list of republicans who are voting for Clinton. These aren't the ones who aren't voting for Trump, that list is far longer. Note the number of national security and foreign policy experts on the list. I am sure they are all holding their respective noses. Of course since Trump "knows more than the Generals" he is smarter than all of them.

Governors:
Arne Carlson, Minnesota (1991–1999)
William Milliken, Michigan (1969–1983)

Senators:
John Warner, Virginia (also former Secretary of Navy)
Gordon Humphrey, New Hampshire (1979–1990)
David Durenberger, Minnesota (1978–1995)
Larry Pressler, South Dakota (1979–1997)


U.S. Reps:
Richard L. Hanna, New York
Chris Shays, Connecticut (1987–2009)
Connie Morella, Maryland (1987–2003)

Former State Legislators:
Rep. Betty Tamposi, Assembly Majority Leader, New Hampshire (1979–1986)
Rep. Lois Sherman Hagarty, Pennsylvania (1980–1992)
Rep. David Irvine, Utah, retired brigadier general

Members of State Judiciaries:
Charles Fried, Associate Justice: Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court (1995–1999)
Robert Smith, Associate Judge: New York Court of Appeals (2004–2014)

Environmental Protection Agency:
William Reilly, Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (1989–1993)
Alan Steinberg, regional Environmental Protection Agency administrator (under bush)
William Ruckelshaus, Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (1970–1973; 1983–1985)

U.S. Department of Commerce:
Frank Lavin, Under Secretary for International Trade (2005–2007)
Carlos Gutierrez, U.S. Secretary of Commerce (2005–2009)
Carla Hills, U.S. Trade Representative (1989–1993)

Department of Defense:
Matthew Waxman, Dep. Ass. Sec. for Detainee Affairs (2004–2005)

IRS:
Fred T. Goldberg Jr., Chief Counsel for the Internal Revenue Service (1984-1968)

State Department:
Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary (2001–2005)
R. Nicholas Burns, Under Secretary for Political Affairs (2005–2008
Eliot Cohe, Counselor (2007–2009)
James Glassman, Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs (2008–2009)
David Gordon, Director of Policy Planning (2007–2009)
Stephen Krasner, Director of Policy Planning (2005–2007)
Kori Schake, Dep. Director of Policy Planning (2007–2008)
David A. Gross, Coordinator for International Communications and Information Policy (2001—2009)

Staffers from Past GOP Administrations and Presidential Campaigns:
Doug Elmets, former spokesman for Ronald Reagan
Jim Cicconi, former aide to Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush
Pete Teeley, press secretary to then-Vice President George H.W. Bush and former U.S. ambassador to Canada (1992-1993)
David Nierenberg, finance chairman to Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign
Mark Salter, former adviser to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
Sally Bradshaw, former adviser to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush
Maria Comella, former spokeswoman for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Kurt Bardella, former aide to Rep. Darrel Issa, R-Calif., and ex-Breitbart spokesman
Mike Treiser, former aide to 2012 presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
Craig Snyder, former chief of staff to then-Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania

Treasury:
Rosario Marin, Treasurer (2001–2003)
Henry Paulson, U.S. Secretary of the Treasury (2006–2009)

Independent Commissions:
Kenneth Adelman, Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (1983–1987)

Ambassadors:
Robert Blackwill, India (2001–2003)
David Gross, International Communications and Information Policy (2001–2009)
Peter Teeley, Canada (1992–1993)
Shirin Tahir-Kheli, Democracy, Human Rights, and International Operations (2003–2005)
Robert Tuttle, United Kingdom (2005–2009)
Richard Holwill, Ambassador to Ecuador (1988-1989)

U.S. Attorneys:
Dan K. Webb, N.D. Ill. (1981–1985)

U.S. Military and Intel Services:
Michael Donley, Secretary of the U.S. Air Force (2008–2013)
Florent Groberg, ret. United States Army Captain
Peter Mansoor, ret. U.S. Army Colonel
Alberto Mora, General Counsel of the Navy (2001–2006)
John Negroponte, 1st Director of National Intelligence (2005-2007)
Gale Pollock, ret. 2-star U.S. Army General

White House Staff:
James Cicconi, Staff Secretary (1989–1990)
Scott Evertz, Director: Office of National AIDS Policy (2001–2003)
Tony Fratto, Deputy Press Sec. (2006–2009)
Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor (1975–77; 1989–1993)
Lezlee Westine, director: Office of Public Liaison (2001–2005)

Business:
Daniel Akerson, former General Motors CEO
Marc Andreessen, Netscape co-founder
Hamid Moghadam, CEO Prologis
James Murren, CEO MGM Resorts International
William Oberndorf, hedge fund manager
Mike Fernandez, founder MBF Healthcare Partners
Chuck Robbins, CEO Cisco Systems
Harry Sloan, CEO Global Eagle Acquisition
Meg Whitman, 2010 California gubernatorial nominee, CEO Hewlett Packard Enterprise

Foreign Policy Scholars:
Max Boot, senior fellow: Council on Foreign Relations
Robert Kagan, co-founder: Project for the New American Century
Tom Nichols, foreign policy scholar

National Security:
Gabriel Schoenfeld, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, specializing in national security and intelligence

DHS:
Michael Chertoff

nafod wrote:Trump is that fucking bad.

This is really the beginning and the end of the case for Clinton.

Pinky wrote:

nafod wrote:Trump is that fucking bad.

This is really the beginning and the end of the case for Clinton.

It is

given where the polls are today (538 aggregated poll, for ex), hillary is going to win.

trump doesn't have the time or wit to move the dial.

hillary--good and bad--is a known quantity. her stock is fully discounted. bernie might help her a little. hard to tell.

trump is largely known, but new undermining reports continues to come out. for example, the investigation of his foundation will only hurt him and it willl continue through the month.

so i'm calling the election. sorry andy, you were wrong. pay up.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/ ... mp-photos/

Perhaps it's a brilliant long con.

I'm going to have to do more research about this Kylie Bax on the left there.

milosz wrote:I'm going to have to do more research about this Kylie Bax on the left there.

Melania had her killed

Wait, the under Secretary for International Trade from 2005-07 isn't voting for Trump??

Turdacious wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/ ... mp-photos/

Perhaps it's a brilliant long con.

Has there ever really been a doubt about this?

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:

Turdacious wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/ ... mp-photos/

Perhaps it's a brilliant long con.

Has there ever really been a doubt about this?

Turdacious wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/ ... mp-photos/

Perhaps it's a brilliant long con.

SOMEONE LEND ME A TIC-TAC

I'm a GB Packers fan. When they are ahead 28 points in the last quarter, I don't turn the game off. I sit back and savor the win.

I laughed so damn hard last night. Michelle Bachman was on some news show, and Joy whatever brought up how Michelle said God delivered Donald Trump to us. Then I watched some Hannity, and he had Monica Crowley and Judge Jeanine on, and all three had blood pouring out of there wherevers.

Twitter was amazing

"'I gotta distance myself from this guy' - David Duke"

"The GOP is not sending us their best. They're rapists, they're criminals..."

"It's all fun and games until white people are insulted"

I'm I mpressed with the UT Mormon politicians moving on principles. Evangelicals watching fuckwits from "Family Reasearch Council" are getting a master class on how power corrupts

Pinky wrote:Unless the State Department treats security mire lightly than the average statistical agency, there's no way that she thought a private server was allowed. I was literally badgered with rules about how confidential information had to be treated.

Hillary knew the server wasn't allowed, and she didn't give a shit. She wanted her blackberry, so fuck you and your stupid rules.

And, despite Nafod's claims, she did email classified information to people who weren't cleared to see it.

Then she repeatedly lied about the server, and had people delete information off of it. Comes said anyone else would be disciplined, but

If I pulled the shit she pulled where I work I'd have been fired, sued and blackballed.

Pinky wrote: Comes said anyone else would be disciplined, but Hillary gets a promotion because the GOP is even more dysfunctional than the Democrats.

They're both working for the same gang. Hillary priced herself lower, so she gets the job.

More Than 130 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump.
Here’s When They Reached Their Breaking Point.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... point.html

Thud wrote:More Than 130 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump.
Here’s When They Reached Their Breaking Point.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... point.html

I'm starting to think that NYC is becoming like Cook County, Illinois-- where longtime high profile politicians (Trump included) are generally complete (but entertaining) shitheads. They had some catching up to do, but Weiner and the Donald have done yeoman's work in the past couple of months.

Turdacious wrote:

Thud wrote:More Than 130 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump.
Here’s When They Reached Their Breaking Point.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... point.html

I'm starting to think that NYC is becoming like Cook County, Illinois-- where longtime high profile politicians (Trump included) are generally complete (but entertaining) shitheads. They had some catching up to do, but Weiner and the Donald have done yeoman's work in the past couple of months.

Pretty much.

nafod wrote:I laughed so damn hard last night. Michelle Bachman was on some news show, and Joy whatever brought up how Michelle said God delivered Donald Trump to us. Then I watched some Hannity, and he had Monica Crowley and Judge Jeanine on, and all three had blood pouring out of there wherevers.

I caught that Hannity show for about 30 seconds until JJ opened her stupid mouth. Earlier she was doing her own show, and her teleprompter locked up, and she didn't know what to say. I think the networks originally thought the ratings for Debate2 would drop off. Hillary should do a little soft shoe and grab her pxxxy as she strolls out onto stage, Trump will have blood coming out of his wherevers.

TerryB wrote:Wait, the under Secretary for International Trade from 2005-07 isn't voting for Trump??

Among others.

seeahill wrote:

TerryB wrote:Wait, the under Secretary for International Trade from 2005-07 isn't voting for Trump??

Among others.

Hmmm. This bothers me. They did such a great job of things the past few decades. If they're out, I'm out.