Bad week for progressives

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:28 pm

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/wo ... oogle.com/

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:20 pm

Finally we can have Che and Fidel on the same red tee shirt.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:26 pm

for $26.49, plus shipping

white or purple

https://www.spreadshirt.com/fiedel+cast ... e=1&view=1

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:33 pm

I predict a significant increase in the south Florida population in nine months.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:34 pm

dead man walking wrote:for $26.49, plus shipping

white or purple

https://www.spreadshirt.com/fiedel+cast ... e=1&view=1

But not in black, at Che's request.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:37 pm

in fact, it also comes in black and "asphalt"

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:38 pm

asphalt stains less when the cops crush you to the ground.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:06 am

I don't get it. This man was a legit thug tyrant, brutalized his countrymen and beggaring his country, and ass holes are celebrating his life.?

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:09 am

I remember for a while some kids wearing Mao red army caps in the 80s. It's like that, except that now there's no excuse for being a dumbass.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:40 am

Boris wrote:I remember for a while some kids wearing Mao red army caps in the 80s. It's like that, except that now there's no excuse for being a dumbass.

Speaking of dumbasses:

Colin Kaepernick picked the wrong week — and worst place — to defend Fidel Castro. Kaepernick, the 49ers’ activist quarterback, can expect a hellacious chorus of boos when he takes the field at Hard Rock Stadium in South Florida on Sunday.

That was probably a given anyway, after Kaepernick wore a Fidel Castro shirt in a post-game news conference a few months back and then praised Cuba’s literacy rate under Castro during a conference call with Miami reporters on Wednesday.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/26/c ... -in-miami/

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:14 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I don't get it. This man was a legit thug tyrant, brutalized his countrymen and beggaring his country, and ass holes are celebrating his life.?

fair point.

but we should remember the guy he overthrew was a corrupt piece of shit who oppressed his countryman.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:46 pm

Traditional autocrats leave in place existing allocations of wealth, power, status, and other re- sources which in most traditional societies favor an affluent few and maintain masses in poverty. But they worship traditional gods and observe traditional taboos. They do not disturb the habitual rhythms of work and leisure, habitual places of residence, habitual patterns of family and personal relations. Because the miseries of traditional life are familiar, they are bearable to ordinary people who, growing up in the society, learn to cope, as children born to untouchables in India acquire the skills and attitudes necessary for survival in the miserable roles they are destined to fill. Such societies create no refugees.

Precisely the opposite is true of revolutionary Communist regimes. They create refugees by the million because they claim jurisdiction over the whole life of the society and make demands for change that so violate internalized values and habits that inhabitants flee by the tens of thousands in the remarkable expectation that their attitudes, values, and goals will “fit” better in a foreign country than in their native land.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... standards/

Batista was bad, but Castro was worse.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:12 pm

yes

of course, though, many of the refugees were displaced autocrats and their hirelings and butt-boys. i found it hard to be moved by their woes. kind of like feeling sympathy for remnants of the shah's retinue.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:42 pm

dead man walking wrote:yes

of course, though, many of the refugees were displaced autocrats and their hirelings and butt-boys. i found it hard to be moved by their woes. kind of like feeling sympathy for remnants of the shah's retinue.

Most refugees didn't meet that characterization.
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/exile/analysis.pdf
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/ ... RR2017.pdf

There's also an unknown number of people who didn't make it, and I'm guessing that most of those were desperate poor people who couldn't afford a decent raft.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:51 pm

since when did we start citing facts around here?

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:55 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I don't get it. This man was a legit thug tyrant, brutalized his countrymen and beggaring his country, and ass holes are celebrating his life.?

Who exactly is doing so? The shine seems to have worn off him a long, long time ago.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:17 pm

Jill Stein, Justin Trudeau...are two. Assorted left leaning journalists, kids who wanted Bernie and don't understand how Castro conducted himself...Wild Bill...etc

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:48 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I don't get it. This man was a legit thug tyrant, brutalized his countrymen and beggaring his country, and ass holes are celebrating his life.?
Who exactly is doing so? The shine seems to have worn off him a long, long time ago.

Hillary went after Bernie about his praise of his revolutionary brother. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... del-castro

The tendency among young radicals to romanticize communist dictatorships is still very real.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:17 am

Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I don't get it. This man was a legit thug tyrant, brutalized his countrymen and beggaring his country, and ass holes are celebrating his life.?
Who exactly is doing so? The shine seems to have worn off him a long, long time ago.
Hillary went after Bernie about his praise of his revolutionary brother. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... del-castro

The tendency among young radicals to romanticize communist dictatorships is still very real.

Doesn't sound like Bernie is celebrating his life, so much as saying the US shouldn't have invaded. He's way closer to praise than I'd like, but his original statement was made when the Bay of Pigs was fairly recent memory.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:02 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I don't get it. This man was a legit thug tyrant, brutalized his countrymen and beggaring his country, and ass holes are celebrating his life.?
Who exactly is doing so? The shine seems to have worn off him a long, long time ago.
Hillary went after Bernie about his praise of his revolutionary brother. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... del-castro

The tendency among young radicals to romanticize communist dictatorships is still very real.
Doesn't sound like Bernie is celebrating his life, so much as saying the US shouldn't have invaded. He's way closer to praise than I'd like, but his original statement was made when the Bay of Pigs was fairly recent memory.

The Bay of Pigs was 1961, the interview was in 1985. I can kind of forgive Sanders for the original statement-- the proxy wars in that region were very real and governments on both sides were authoritarian. He seemed to be taking the standard leftist isolationist line (while not encouraging the USSR to be similarly isolationist), and the economic differences between the countries in the region weren't apparent then. Not disavowing the statement knowing what we know now though, with the shitty conditions in workers paradises of Venezuela and Cuba, is just silly though.

IGX

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