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sangoma was a dumbfuck. and now you.

is it contagious?
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most calming.

you're a thoughtful guy.
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Sangoma wrote:These are issues with verifiable outcomes. It makes sense to put more resources into developing more efficient solar cells and wind generators. Or safety of nuclear power reactors. Practical solutions of practical problems.
When people use the wrong tools for the job, using wind mills without some sort of storage to power cities and industries, it's nutty.

Russia is putting the largest fast breeder in the world online. The BN-800. http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/nn-ru ... 08165.html

The US needs to do the same. The US was using Thorium breeders in the 1970s. I think dingaling Reagan stopped the program.
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Carter and Rickover discussed the thorium breeder experiment at Shippingport.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=6972

Post mortem on the shippingport experiment.
The light water breeder reactor was a technical success. It demonstrated a sophisticated way to more effectively use a proven technology and to make better use of natural resources. It even demonstrated a way to significantly reduce the volume of high level nuclear waste per unit of electrical power output.

There was little effort to promote the technology. Knowledge of the program is rare even within the nuclear industry. There is little chance of an unknown idea – particularly one with as much potential impact as a light water breeder reactor – becoming a new technical standard.

The core engineers did not pay enough attention to production difficulties. The assembly of the core modules required a great deal of manual labor including 2,000 precise measurements for each module. This effort implies a high production cost even if raw materials are used more efficiently.

There was no effort to develop other uranium-thorium reactors in an effort to help spread the fixed cost of fuel material production.

The program was viewed as Admiral Rickover’s pet project.

Professional rivalry or ingrained hard feelings against Rickover probably helped seal the fate of the program. By the time the experimental core was shut down, the Secretary of the Navy had already declared his intention to retire Rickover. By the time that the core had been analyzed, Admiral Rickover was dead and many of his strongest political supporters were either retired or dead.

It may be that the light water breeder reactor is not a viable alternative to conventional light water reactors. It seems that there is an abundant supply of fissile materials and that the higher costs of core manufacture will not be overcome without a significant automation effort. However, it is useful to know that efficient conversion – even breeding – is not only possible in a thermal reactor without the use of liquid metals, it has been actually demonstrated in a large scale experiment.
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scientists reported on Wednesday that the Earth reached its highest temperature on record in 2016 — trouncing a record set only a year earlier, which beat one set in 2014. It is the first time in the modern era of global warming data that temperatures have blown past the previous record three years in a row.
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I shouldn't do this because it is irrelevant but I know the level of intellect I am addressing so I will credential myself, here goes...

I am a radical enviromentalist of the old school. I want people in cities and death to suburbia. I want the vast majority of land to be wild. I want the gov to manage and preserve most of that wild land. I want negative population growth from zero immigration, repatriation of illegals and readily available non abortifacient contraception. I want the government to incentivize industrial tech advancement via high taxes on environmentally damaging Heavy Industry and our shit tier agriculturekal sector. And I am really against High Finance. High skill labor is the highest achievement of mankind, not paper pushing usurers and trinket makers. The point of the State is to provide dignified work to its citizens, keep them safe and preserve the land from being raped. I have to restrain myself from firebombing strip malls on the few times I venture into the wasteland. All that being said...

Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever the new empty term or tautology they are using is bullshit.

And the article DMW cited to is a perfect example. In it, there are no numbers but plenty of hyperbole about doom. The last three years have all been within the margin of error. And since they were all el nino or la nina years, increase is to be expected. It is all a lie. There is no doom from increasing temps. The doom we face is from societal decay caused by neoliberalism and neoconservatism.

Again, Global Warming etc is a lie and has always been. It's purpose is to convince regular folks that there is an emergency that needs to be solved. And this is done for three reasons:

1) Shitlibs are too lazy and frankly dumb to make and understand actual arguments as to why sig policy changes in the area of the environment should be made.

2) The enviromental movement sold its soul for sinecures to the neoliberals in the early 90's. The old line WASPs who were the backbone of the movement actually sold it out for lucrative jobs for their kids. Anyone who knows the EPA and associated think tanks knows it is a jobs program for trust fund babies and reg old line wasps. Because of this, they back neoliberalism which is at odds with the actual reasons for environmentalism: the creation of beautiful cities, beautiful land and beautiful work. They now back immigration, funding for unworkable technologies, insane cultural change (blm and gays and trannys) and suburbia. But most importantly, they now back Global Warming which is a lie that lets them pretend they are advocating for "the environment" when they really just shill for Goodman Sachs, the Koch Brothers and the Democratic Party.

3) Neoliberalism and Neoconservatism use the imaginary doom to impose international structures favorable to their constituencies: bankers, agri business and the bureaucratic class. Every proposed solution to global warming consolidates the power of those groups and any solution which does not is abandoned.

So, DWM is a stooge (obvious I know) and you should all read Ted Kaczynski's Manifesto. I dare you to do it and tell me where he is wrong:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/na ... o.text.htm


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bennyonesix wrote:Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever the new empty term or tautology they are using is bullshit.
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Again, Global Warming etc is a lie and has always been. It's purpose is to convince regular folks that there is an emergency that needs to be solved. And this is done for three reasons:
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How many tries did it take?

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bennyonesix wrote:I am a radical enviromentalist of the old school. I want people in cities and death to suburbia. I want the vast majority of land to be wild.
I :heart: B16???
The last three years have all been within the margin of error.
What exactly do you mean by that?
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the heat is causing bennie to melt down

a couple of graphics to entertain the audience

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/2016 ... cord-21070

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/temp ... heat-21074
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Nothing to see here

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yes, but all within the margin of error
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On 2014:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/19/glo ... on-record/

On the article:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/18/nyt ... ar-record/

I really don't like this guy. He's a hack like Turd. A minion of the neoconservative establishment. He believes 90% of the ruling neoliberal ideology but gets paid to be false opposition. But he's right here. And of course he makes no criticism other than "they are liars", par for the course. Just like Turd and his paid opposition to ACA. He never strikes at the core of it, just frantically attacks inelegant execution with occasional ad hominem. And thereby not accidentally reinforces the inevitability of it because the only argument is as to better implementation.


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dead man walking wrote:yes, but all within the margin of error

What is the margin of error?


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2016 Temperature Records

To nobody’s surprise, all of the surface datasets showed 2016 to be the warmest year on record.

Barely more surprising is that all of the tropospheric satellite datasets and radiosonde data also have 2016 as the warmest year. . . .

There a few more technical issues that are worth mentioning here.

Impact of ENSO [i.e. El Nino]

The contribution of El Niño to recent years’ anomalies in the GISTEMP data set are ~0.05ºC (2015) and ~0.12ºC (2016), and that means the records would still have been set even with no ENSO variability. [emphasis added]

I calculated these values using a regression of the interannual variability in the annual mean to the Feb-Mar MEI index. . . . [w]hich brings us to another key point…

Impact of the Arctic

It’s perhaps not obvious in the first figure, but the magnitude of the record in 2016 is much larger in GISTEMP and Cowtan&Way (and in the reanalyses), than it is in HadCRUT4, NCEI and JMA. This is in large part due to the treatment of the Arctic. The latter 3 records all ‘conservatively’ don’t include areas where there aren’t direct observations in their global means. This is equivalent to assuming that the missing areas are, on average, warming at the same rate as the global mean. However, this has not been a good assumption for a couple of decades. Arctic anomalies this year were close to 4ºC above the late 19th Century, over 3 times as big an anomaly as the global mean. [emphasis added]. . . .

Do I have to mention the ‘pause’?

Apparently yes. The last three years have demonstrated abundantly clearly that there is no change in the long term trends since 1998. A prediction from 1997 merely continuing the linear trends would significantly under-predict the last two years.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... more-20001

some graphs and tables at the site, if you're interested
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What is the margin of error?


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also there was a major coral bleaching "event," that is, we're seeing the consequences of higher temperatures

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -bleaching
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What is the margin of error?


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U.S. Crop Harvests Could Suffer with Climate Change
Future harvests of wheat, soybeans and corn could drop by 22 to 49 percent, mostly due to water stress
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... te-change/
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What is the margin of error?

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dead man walking wrote:
U.S. Crop Harvests Could Suffer with Climate Change
Future harvests of wheat, soybeans and corn could drop by 22 to 49 percent, mostly due to water stress
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... te-change/
bennyonesix wrote:What is the margin of error?
51-78%

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