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Herv100 wrote:Sorry your nation-building(murdering) policies(only possible with the traitorous CIA) are soon coming to an end. They'll be no more hospitals for you to blow up.

Doubtful. There will always be hospitals.

...and where's Benny?

nafod wrote:

Herv100 wrote:Sorry your nation-building(murdering) policies(only possible with the traitorous CIA) are soon coming to an end. They'll be no more hospitals for you to blow up.

So...you are saying the Russians didn't do what the CIA, NSA, and FBI said they did?

I don't know if they did, and neither do you until they show some evidence.

What this is about is Trumps differing foreign policy. These traitors have worked very hard for 16 years(actually way longer) to perpetuate the "war on terror" and re-organize(murder) the mid-east. Putin and it appears Trump do not want to overthrow Assad. That is a big problem for these traitorous pieces of shit. It will be nice seeing many of them get shit-canned and their funding massively cut. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Boris wrote:...and where's Benny?

Trying to find proof that Assad is opening a chain of pizza joints.

nafod wrote: So...you are saying the Russians didn't do what the CIA, NSA, and FBI said they did?

They haven't provided a shred of evidence. Nothing. Meanwhile, 52% of registered democrats believe the Russians hacked the actual voting machines. I don't like Trump either. Nor do I trust him. Or have much optimism about the next four years. But Jesus Christ, you have to be a fool to believe any politician (and the people who run these agencies are politicians) even when they don't provide proof. Especially when they have a track record of lying at worst and getting things wrong at best.

When Trump was elected I felt respect for Americans for the first time in a long time. For once this nation didn't fall for the typical "What would Jesus say", "Save American lives", "Get our trips home safe" and other politically correct rubbish. I believe this is the second time the President is not a politician - the first one was Eisenhower.

Sangoma wrote:When Trump was elected I felt respect for Americans for the first time in a long time. For once this nation didn't fall for the typical "What would Jesus say", "Save American lives", "Get our trips home safe" and other politically correct rubbish. I believe this is the second time the President is not a politician - the first one was Eisenhower.

You're clearly an agent of Putin. Prepare to be denounced by all the usual suspects.

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:

nafod wrote: So...you are saying the Russians didn't do what the CIA, NSA, and FBI said they did?

They haven't provided a shred of evidence. Nothing.

They presented classified evidence (you don't get more classified than comms intercepts) to our duly elected representatives in congress, of which a bipartisan bunch of them are saying, "Yea, Russia hacked to influence our election."

Short of you getting a job with a clearance and undergoing a polygraph and getting a need to know, you are going to have to trust in a whole bunch of your elected officials or Team Trump/Assange.

The Russians hacked our election by practicing investigative journalism and releasing information that is true?

By the way, they are walking those intel stories back and forth and all around the place. "Known Russian actors/agents gave the info to wikileaks", then "the Russians acted through third party intermediaries". "We have definitive proof", then "a trusted third party told us it was definitely the Russians".

nafod wrote:

Herv100 wrote:Sorry your nation-building(murdering) policies(only possible with the traitorous CIA) are soon coming to an end. They'll be no more hospitals for you to blow up.

So...you are saying the Russians didn't do what the CIA, NSA, and FBI said they did?

I am saying that. No proof laid on the table = never happened. CIA can fuck itself on reputation. Show us the money.

They haven't provided a shred of evidence. Nothing. Meanwhile, 52% of registered democrats believe the Russians hacked the actual voting machines. I don't like Trump either. Nor do I trust him. Or have much optimism about the next four years. But Jesus Christ, you have to be a fool to believe any politician (and the people who run these agencies are politicians) even when they don't provide proof. Especially when they have a track record of lying at worst and getting things wrong at best.

I was just about to mention this, Ginger. The reason the news keeps saying, "hacked the election". Is that they are trying to perpetuate the false narrative that Russia tampered with the integrity of voting machines that are not even hooked up to the net. Therefore, the election was illegitimate, and Trump's presidency is illegitimate. Meanwhile, Stein's recount found actual vote integrity issues between electronic count and actual paper ballot count in places like Detroit, but I notice that disappeared really quick...

This poll both tickles my nether regions, and makes me sad at the same time. There are some stupid fucking people in this country that don't read past a headline or get all there news from their friends talking points.

Article with charts (conservative site was all I could find).

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/12/27/y ... president/

Actual poll.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/12/2 ... ical-iden/

tonkadtx wrote:they are trying to perpetuate the false narrative that Russia tampered with the integrity of voting

Wha?

Red herring.

I haven't seen anything anywhere by any professional Intel peeps that is suggesting Russia hacked the voting machines. See their unclassified report. They selectively hacked DNC emails and released selected emails and fake stories to influence in favor of Trump. They of course depended on his useful idiots.

Pls read:

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/ ... e-ip-hack/

nafod wrote:

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:

nafod wrote: So...you are saying the Russians didn't do what the CIA, NSA, and FBI said they did?

They haven't provided a shred of evidence. Nothing.

They presented classified evidence (you don't get more classified than comms intercepts) to our duly elected representatives in congress, of which a bipartisan bunch of them are saying, "Yea, Russia hacked to influence our election."

Short of you getting a job with a clearance and undergoing a polygraph and getting a need to know, you are going to have to trust in a whole bunch of your elected officials or Team Trump/Assange.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... ers-report
How do I know they don't have evidence?

Wha?

Red herring.

I haven't seen anything anywhere by any professional Intel peeps that is suggesting Russia hacked the voting machines. See their unclassified report. They selectively hacked DNC emails and released selected emails and fake stories to influence in favor of Trump. They of course depended on his useful idiots.

By using the phraseology "hacked the election", etc. instead of "hacked the DNC/Podesta", they are deliberately trying to convince the stupid and weak minded that the Russians interfered with the election RESULTS.

Some Headlines:

CNN:

Where's the outrage over Russia's hack of the US election?

Russian Digital Fingerprints all over election 'hacks'.

MSNBC:

nafod wrote:They selectively hacked DNC emails and released selected emails and fake stories to influence in favor of Trump.

All of which were effective because reinforced a pre-existing, well established, decades old narrative.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw8JRpXdAc[/youtube]

It wasn't a "narrative". The point of her existence is monetizing US Foreign Policy. Now, once one realizes this, one can accept it as the price for admission to the benefits of a neoliberal Clinton presidency. But it wasn't some bullshit meta mindgame.

Remember when the Russians allegedly hacked THE WHITE HOUSE in 2015 and barely a peep was made and the story was buried? Now two non-classified email accounts were allegedly hacked and its WW3.

This is all about the establishment fearing the end of their foreign policy plans. That's why Bush didn't support Trump and hawks McCain and Graham don't either.

At least for the "WMDs" in Iraq they doctored up some shitty pictures. LMAO

Ssshhh. Don't mention the Deep State. That is crazy talk. US Foreign Policy has been uniform and aggressive despite sig different presidencies because of coincidence.

OPM hacked by China. Where Secret clearances were vetted until this year. Ho hum, nothing to see here...

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:

Sangoma wrote:When Trump was elected I felt respect for Americans for the first time in a long time. For once this nation didn't fall for the typical "What would Jesus say", "Save American lives", "Get our trips home safe" and other politically correct rubbish. I believe this is the second time the President is not a politician - the first one was Eisenhower.

You're clearly an agent of Putin. Prepare to be denounced by all the usual suspects.

Over the years various people I met have implied that I am at least partially responsible for the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1953, occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1967, the war in Afghanistan in 1979, Berlin Wall and a few other events. I am not going down for Trump's electoral victory without a fight!!!

Sangoma wrote:I believe this is the second time the President is not a politician - the first one was Eisenhower.

Grant.

Hell, George Washington.

My bad. I was thinking about the American Century.