Trumpling the Russia Investigation

tonkadtx · Post by **tonkadtx** » Mon May 15, 2017 11:50 pm

I'm just glad there are Americans who took an oath of loyalty to the constitution instead of Trump, and are freaked out enough to leak this shit.

Actually, I am too. Snowden and Manning are OK by me. But the deep state is pulling some shit. The fact that Snowden is the U.S.A.'s most wanted, Manning went to prison and Comey couldn't be bothered to look for the people leaking classified info from his shop tells you all you need to know about agendas. The deep state is making a concerted effort to take down a sitting President.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Tue May 16, 2017 12:08 am

tonkadtx wrote:
The deep state is making a concerted effort to take down a sitting President.

he's doing a pretty good job on his own.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Tue May 16, 2017 12:38 am

tonkadtx wrote:
I'm just glad there are Americans who took an oath of loyalty to the constitution instead of Trump, and are freaked out enough to leak this shit.
Actually, I am too. Snowden and Manning are OK by me. But the deep state is pulling some shit. The fact that Snowden is the U.S.A.'s most wanted, Manning went to prison and Comey couldn't be bothered to look for the people leaking classified info from his shop tells you all you need to know about agendas. The deep state is making a concerted effort to take down a sitting President.

Did they exercise mind control over Drumpf and make him tell Lester Holt he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation? Or tweet that he has tapes in the Oval Office? Or get obsessed over inauguration attendance? Or let Flynn keep sitting in on TS meetings after he knew he was compromised?

As Dead Man Walking points out, Drumpf is doing just fine with minimal help from any deep state.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Tue May 16, 2017 12:41 am

the best explanation for his revealing classified info is that he was simply reporting to his case officer.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:06 am

nafod wrote:
johno wrote:
nafod wrote:
johno wrote: If Hillary's leaving national secrets open to compromise by foreign agents didn't alarm you, you set a pretty high bar.
Which case are you referring to?
Hillary's unsecured and likely compromised email system while she was Secretary of State. Had you heard?
Yes, very important not to go around spilling secrets.

President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

...in one fell swoop he has told allies he is untrustworthy, thereby impairing intelligence-sharing that is critical to our national security. He has also dumped a bucket of fuel on the fire with regard to the Russia investigation, suggesting he has some affinity or at the very least blind spot with regard to Russia.
Not surprising at all, but sad.

The people who don't like or trust Trump are already at 110% not-liking, so nowhere to go when you learn of this, other than to look at the Trump supporters and ask, WTF?

It doesn't strike you as odd? How would a former official know? And what current official would report what happened, and why?

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:13 am

TerryB wrote:
nafod wrote:
johno wrote:
nafod wrote:
johno wrote: If Hillary's leaving national secrets open to compromise by foreign agents didn't alarm you, you set a pretty high bar.
Which case are you referring to?
Hillary's unsecured and likely compromised email system while she was Secretary of State. Had you heard?
Yes, very important not to go around spilling secrets.

President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

...in one fell swoop he has told allies he is untrustworthy, thereby impairing intelligence-sharing that is critical to our national security. He has also dumped a bucket of fuel on the fire with regard to the Russia investigation, suggesting he has some affinity or at the very least blind spot with regard to Russia.
Not surprising at all, but sad.

The people who don't like or trust Trump are already at 110% not-liking, so nowhere to go when you learn of this, other than to look at the Trump supporters and ask, WTF?
It doesn't strike you as odd? How would a former official know? And what current official would report what happened, and why?

First, Trump is odd. He does odd shit all the time. Second, a current official would leak it because, holy shit Donald Trump gave compartmentalized info to the Russians, purposefully or stupidly. We ought to know that, just like Hillary's email server needed to be dragged into the daylight. These guys, the professionals, keep in touch.

If the request came to the CIA and NSA to do damage control as per the article, then a fair number would know, including the folks who managed those intel sources and who would likely be pissed the fuck off at Drumpf.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:18 am

Story is getting confirmed by CNN, NYT, Buzzfeed, & Reuters. Kinda hard to be a conspiracy.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:38 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Story is getting confirmed by CNN, NYT, Buzzfeed, & Reuters. Kinda hard to be a conspiracy.

LOL Yeah, I'm sure they're not parroting information.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:50 am

Six bylines. https://lawfareblog.com/bombshell-initi ... ging-story

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:52 am

Oops. People in the room (they're known as "primary sources") dispute the masterful media reports but by all means, count your democrat media sources and prevail.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... false.html

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:59 am

People in the room like McMaster are very carefully parsing their denials such that there's room for Trump to have done exactly what's described. The statement you linked is covered in the article as supporting evidence, it doesn't rebut it it at all.

seeahill · Post by **seeahill** » Tue May 16, 2017 3:06 am

Let's hear the tapes.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Tue May 16, 2017 3:07 am

TerryB wrote:Oops. People in the room (they're known as "primary sources") dispute the masterful media reports but by all means, count your democrat media sources and prevail.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... false.html

Like the Comey firing, this is the first of 20 versions to soon emerge. Trump will eventually do an interview with Lester Holt where he reveals the codes to our nuclear weapons.

JimZipCode · Post by **JimZipCode** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:07 am

seeahill wrote:Let's hear the tapes.

Agreed, let's.

If this happened exactly as reported, then one of the first things to concede is, it is not illegal. Constitutional authority to "classify" info usually derives from the office of the president, so the prez probably has the authority to decide single-handedly whether any particular piece of info is or is not classified. It may be a bad idea, or a gross lapse in judgement or whatever: but not illegal for him to do. Conceivably one could make the argument that it violates his oath of office, to protect and defend; but that would be a helluva stretch argument.

Might be a political disaster; but so many things were supposed to be political disasters for him, it's hard to predict that any particular thing will stick to Teflon Don.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:17 am

nafod wrote:
TerryB wrote:Oops. People in the room (they're known as "primary sources") dispute the masterful media reports but by all means, count your democrat media sources and prevail.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... false.html
Like the Comey firing, this is the first of 20 versions to soon emerge. Trump will eventually do an interview with Lester Holt where he reveals the codes to our nuclear weapons.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k[/youtube]

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Tue May 16, 2017 12:26 pm

TerryB wrote:Oops. People in the room (they're known as "primary sources") dispute the masterful media reports but by all means, count your democrat media sources and prevail.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... false.html

le grand l'orange admits spilling the beans.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Tue May 16, 2017 1:18 pm

I wonder how big the crowd will be when Pence is sworn in.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:03 pm

Good to review the ol' partisan response playbook, as we're going through these faster these days and skipping steps:

1) Too horrible and shocking; it can’t possibly be true
2) It’s not true
3) You can’t prove it’s true
4) Why are you trying to prove it’s true
5) It’s disgusting that you’ve proved it’s true
6) What’s the big deal anyway?

This is pretty much how it went with the John Edwards baby daddy story, so it's not like it's a GOP only thing.

Herv100 · Post by **Herv100** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:35 pm

Uh-oh. Seth Rich...

JimZipCode · Post by **JimZipCode** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:42 pm

Podesta had him killed, to make an example of him for WikiLeaks.
Benny One Six was the button man.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Tue May 16, 2017 3:56 pm

From the hippy dippy guy behind Redstate: http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/

Yes I Have Balls · Post by **Yes I Have Balls** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:52 pm

TerryB wrote:Oops. People in the room (they're known as "primary sources") dispute the masterful media reports but by all means, count your democrat media sources and prevail.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... false.html

Sure, the people in the room deny it happened, but Trump's staff called the CIA and NSA to get out in front of a story that didn't happen and Trump's Homeland Security advisor Bossert called to have the transcript of the meeting scrubbed so non-existent information wouldn't get spread around.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Tue May 16, 2017 7:49 pm

seeahill · Post by **seeahill** » Tue May 16, 2017 7:58 pm

Terry B gets Spicered.

tonkadtx · Post by **tonkadtx** » Tue May 16, 2017 9:58 pm

There's no doubt he's an egomaniac, an ass, a buffoon. I think he might have Asperger's.

To paraphrase Lincoln, "I need him. He fights."

Everyone I despise hates his guts. DNC, RNC, the Deep State, Most of the Media, Antifa, etc. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I'm still hoping (hope is fading however) that he is the monkey wrench that is going to fuck up the whole neoliberal, neoconservative, globalist oligarchy that has been fucking with us for the last 60+ years.

IGX

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