Trump just went to Saudi Arabia and walked back 90% of his "Islam hates us" stuff that he used to get elected. That's the analogy to Obama and post-election flexibility. The Comey thing is admitting to obstruction of justice on the record.TerryB wrote:Of course not. Totally different.nafod wrote:NoTerryB wrote:Eased the pressure.Grandpa's Spells wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/p ... .html?_r=0
"Yeah, I looked up the legal definition of obstruction of justice. I definitely did that. On purpose. I'm confessing to a crime in front of witnesses where the meeting notes will be later distributed. Just so we're clear."“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
Is that what Obama meant when he muttered he'd have more "flexibility" after he the election was over?
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Right! He'll be impeached any day now, of course. Victory is nigh, Nafod!
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time to take measurements for orange jumpsuits and shackles.CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates
flynn for sure.
kushner too--that's my guess. but donnie will pardon him, denying him the diversity of sexual experiences that would greet him in the pen.
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Brennan comfirms today(once again) no evidence of "collusion" (which isn't even a crime), and he knows of no efforts to obstruct investigation.

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of course brennan turned over the info to the fbi to investigate, so he wouldn't necessarily know all details.
as for obstruction, there's this report:
as for obstruction, there's this report:
mueller will sort it out.former Republican Sen. Dan Coats, refused to comply with a request by the president to push back against the FBI investigation into possible coordination between his campaign and the Russian government.
Trump also reached out to Adm. Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency. He pressed both men to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election. Each saw the president’s entreaty as inappropriate.
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That's one of the weirdest things about all of this.dead man walking wrote:time to take measurements for orange jumpsuits and shackles.CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates
flynn for sure.
kushner too--that's my guess. but donnie will pardon him, denying him the diversity of sexual experiences that would greet him in the pen.
Trump should be issuing pardons for just about everyone who's being mentioned in this thing and basically putting Mueller's investigation into "Oh well, we tried" territory. Instead, he keeps taking a shit on his own Justice Department and putting his IC into bad spot after bad spot.
Bad optics? You betcha, but I figure he'd rather roll the dice that this thing could be tamped down and more or less pushed out of the spotlight with plenty of time before the midterms.
I should note that I first saw Allaphundit mention the above, and as a fellow Never Trumper, I have a bias towards his analysis of most things His Trumpness.
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if he issued pardons, he'd be admitting wrongdoing by his people.
what would the pardon say? no one violated any law or rule, but if someone did, i pardon him/her/it.
can he issue a pre-emptive pardon?
what would the pardon say? no one violated any law or rule, but if someone did, i pardon him/her/it.
can he issue a pre-emptive pardon?
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Pardoned people can't plead the Fif.baffled wrote:That's one of the weirdest things about all of this.dead man walking wrote:time to take measurements for orange jumpsuits and shackles.CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates
flynn for sure.
kushner too--that's my guess. but donnie will pardon him, denying him the diversity of sexual experiences that would greet him in the pen.
Trump should be issuing pardons for just about everyone who's being mentioned in this thing and basically putting Mueller's investigation into "Oh well, we tried" territory. Instead, he keeps taking a shit on his own Justice Department and putting his IC into bad spot after bad spot.
Bad optics? You betcha, but I figure he'd rather roll the dice that this thing could be tamped down and more or less pushed out of the spotlight with plenty of time before the midterms.
I should note that I first saw Allaphundit mention the above, and as a fellow Never Trumper, I have a bias towards his analysis of most things His Trumpness.
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Herv100 wrote:Brennan comfirms today(once again) no evidence of "collusion".
Just what the heck is it with the Trump folks and Russia anyway? Flynn, Manafort, Page? Sessions lying about contacts? Trump encouraging Russia to hack emails? They sure as hell do act like they are hiding something.“I was worried by a number of the contacts that the Russians had with U.S. persons,” Brennan said, adding that he did not see proof of collusion before he left office on Jan. 20, but “felt as though the FBI investigation was certainly well-founded and needed to look into those issues.”
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I think so. That's what it seems is the case from what I've read. In that case, they wouldn't need to please the fifth.dead man walking wrote:if he issued pardons, he'd be admitting wrongdoing by his people.
what would the pardon say? no one violated any law or rule, but if someone did, i pardon him/her/it.
can he issue a pre-emptive pardon?
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Or Hanlon's Razor.nafod wrote:Herv100 wrote:Brennan comfirms today(once again) no evidence of "collusion".Just what the heck is it with the Trump folks and Russia anyway? Flynn, Manafort, Page? Sessions lying about contacts? Trump encouraging Russia to hack emails? They sure as hell do act like they are hiding something.“I was worried by a number of the contacts that the Russians had with U.S. persons,” Brennan said, adding that he did not see proof of collusion before he left office on Jan. 20, but “felt as though the FBI investigation was certainly well-founded and needed to look into those issues.”
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jar ... ls-n764826Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law and one of his senior advisers, has come under FBI scrutiny in the Russia investigation, multiple U.S. officials told NBC News.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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I thought it ironic, based on Trump's own relationship to marriage, that he even bothered to learn the name of his son-in-law.Turdacious wrote:Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law.
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politico“We’re talking about a guy who isn’t particularly bright or hard-working, doesn’t actually know anything, has bought his way into everything ever (with money he got from his criminal father), who is deeply insecure and obsessed with fame (you don’t buy the NYO, marry Ivanka Trump, or constantly talk about the phone calls you get from celebrities if it’s in your nature to ‘shun the spotlight’), and who is basically a shithead.”
the nytimes magazine has an article about kushner the slumlord.
perhaps in some alternate universe someone is signing his praises.
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http://observer.com/2017/05/mike-rogers ... th-russia/Rogers [NSA] reportedly admitted that President Trump asked him to discredit the FBI and James Comey, which the admiral flatly refused to do. As Rogers explained, he informed the commander in chief, “I know you won’t like it, but I have to tell what I have seen”—a probable reference to specific intelligence establishing collusion between the Kremlin and Team Trump.
Rogers then added that such SIGINT exists, and it is damning. He stated, “There is no question that we [meaning NSA] have evidence of election involvement and questionable contacts with the Russians.” Although Rogers did not cite the specific intelligence he was referring to, agency officials with direct knowledge have informed me that DIRNSA was obviously referring to a series of SIGINT reports from 2016 based on intercepts of communications between known Russian intelligence officials and key members of Trump’s campaign, in which they discussed methods of damaging Hillary Clinton.
NSA employees walked out of the town hall impressed by the director’s forthright discussion of his interactions with the Trump administration, particularly with how Rogers insisted that he had no desire to “politicize” the situation beyond what the president has already done. America’s spies are unaccustomed to playing partisan politics as Trump has apparently asked them to do, and it appears that the White House’s ham-fisted effort to get NSA to attack the FBI and its credibility was a serious mistake.

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wa poRussian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret channel with Kremlin
first, it was not a good idea to piss off the intelligence services
second, let's stop these leaks, but not right away
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nytimes offers innocent explanation of kushner's action;
you can count on the mainstream media to report the storyIt is unclear who first proposed the communications channel, but the people familiar with the meeting said the idea was to have Mr. Flynn speak directly with a senior military official in Moscow to discuss Syria and other security issues
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Sure, Syria or whatever the red overlord wants.
The question is why secretively, "forgetting" and lying about it?
The question is why secretively, "forgetting" and lying about it?

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/politics/ ... index.htmlRussian government officials discussed having potentially "derogatory" information about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and some of his top aides in conversations intercepted by US intelligence during the 2016 election, according to two former intelligence officials and a congressional source.
One source described the information as financial in nature and said the discussion centered on whether the Russians had leverage over Trump's inner circle. The source said the intercepted communications suggested to US intelligence that Russians believed "they had the ability to influence the administration through the derogatory information."
But the sources, privy to the descriptions of the communications written by US intelligence, cautioned the Russian claims to one another "could have been exaggerated or even made up" as part of a disinformation campaign that the Russians did during the election.
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the russian business just won't go away. it's persistence is driving donnie and leather-faced kelly anne conway mad. i take pleasure in their pain. what can i say, i'm a bad person.
On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported the makings of a potential bombshell: During the presidential campaign, a longtime GOP operative claiming to work with retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn attempted to collude with who he believed to be Russian hackers in order to procure thousands of emails deleted from Hillary Clinton’s personal server. The reporting by the Journal’s Shane Harris stops well short of connecting the dots to explicit coordination between Flynn and the Russians, but he adds a number of new data points to the conversation—and none of them look good for the Trump White House.
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This is the best part, IMO, and it's 12 paragraphs in:dead man walking wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:51 pm the russian business just won't go away. it's persistence is driving donnie and leather-faced kelly anne conway mad. i take pleasure in their pain. what can i say, i'm a bad person.
On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported the makings of a potential bombshell: During the presidential campaign, a longtime GOP operative claiming to work with retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn attempted to collude with who he believed to be Russian hackers in order to procure thousands of emails deleted from Hillary Clinton’s personal server. The reporting by the Journal’s Shane Harris stops well short of connecting the dots to explicit coordination between Flynn and the Russians, but he adds a number of new data points to the conversation—and none of them look good for the Trump White House.
I wonder if Flynn is cooperating with Mueller?The operation Mr. Smith described is consistent with information that has been examined by U.S. investigators probing Russian interference in the elections.
Those investigators have examined reports from intelligence agencies that describe Russian hackers discussing how to obtain emails from Mrs. Clinton’s server and then transmit them to Mr. Flynn via an intermediary, according to U.S. officials with knowledge of the intelligence.
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Vlad's still getting bent over by the guy who wears mom jeans.
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Good for Argentina. That country is superficially similar to the US but their economic policy has been a fucking disaster. Finally making the hard choices.
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