DrDonkeyLove wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:33 pmThis whole thing is about delegitimizing Trump and his agenda.
Sorry Donk, but excitably taking a meeting with our greatest adversary when they offer to use "extremely sensitive information" (stolen goods) to influence the election in their favor (instead of calling the FBI) is a big deal.
https://www.justsecurity.org/43009/medi ... nt-lawyer/
"In sum, Vesilnitskaya’s advocacy of other causes is irrelevant to her mission on behalf of the Russian government. Based on what we now know, this interaction had all the hallmarks of an overture by Russian intelligence to the campaign, and it is utterly damning that Trump Jr. took the meeting, brought in Manafort and Kushner to the meeting, and none of them reported the events immediately to the FBI nor to U.S. authorities until very recently."
Four hours after Jr. confirmed the meeting, DJT was on TV announcing an upcoming press conference in which he would expose the Clintons.
NYT has white house sources saying DJT approved Jr's earlier misleading statements about this. So he directed Jr. to lie about a meeting regarding collusion.
We are getting into shit that is politically hard to be pardoned for.
The Orange one had highly placed sources with proof of Obama's real birth certificate too. There's such stovepiping, spin, and doubletalk from the administration it's hard to take these sources seriously.
There's no hard evidence yet that proves he directed Jr. to lie. At this point, all we know is that there needs to be continued digging.
Speaking of digging, turns out this lady is an anti-Trumper let into the country by Obama and hung out with Obama's Russian ambassador days after the meeting. Also, has connections to the firm who the DNC/Hillary hired to make the fake Trump Dossier.
Looks like she was a plant to get FISA warrants and spy on Trump.
Could be a total backfire if they keep pursuing this.
BTW, DNC/Hillary met with Ukrainian officials to try to get dirt on Trump. Same situation and equally legal.
Herv100 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:03 pm
Speaking of digging, turns out this lady is an anti-Trumper let into the country by Obama and hung out with Obama's Russian ambassador days after the meeting. Also, has connections to the firm who the DNC/Hillary hired to make the fake Trump Dossier.
Looks like she was a plant to get FISA warrants and spy on Trump.
Could be a total backfire if they keep pursuing this.
BTW, DNC/Hillary met with Ukrainian officials to try to get dirt on Trump. Same situation and equally legal.
Trump = COLLUSION and no other narrative is allowed.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
Also, new analysis is showing that the DNC hack happened at a speed almost impossible to do remotely, and almost certainly done by downloading the emails in person via disk.
herv and donk--you've got no substantive rebuttal. you've got a bunch of not-so-shiny objects to distract attention from jr and the trump admin's many lies that there was no contract with russians.
oooh, hillary did it. oooh, the russian lawyer may be a plant. oooh the hack was an insider. oooh the media is out to get don pompadour.
how difficult is it simply to admit that junior is an ethically challenged idiot, who hasn't done the administration or the conservative cause any favors?
period.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
Herv100 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:09 pm
Also, new analysis is showing that the DNC hack happened at a speed almost impossible to do remotely, and almost certainly done by downloading the emails in person via disk.
Surely the FBI would have discovered that when they examined the hardware.
Oh wait, the FBI never examined the hardware. The examination was done by a 3rd party. So says lefty left Slate here.
Trussia is the most important thing since Watergate. Why doesn't the FBI and the DNC make certain that not a single stone remains unturned?
Gotta believe the heroic Comey, right?
The DNC maintains there’s a simple answer to this question: According to the group, the FBI never asked to see their servers. But FBI Director James Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee back in January that the FBI did, in fact, issue “multiple requests at different levels” to the DNC to gain direct access to their computer systems and conduct their own forensic analysis.
DMW:
You may be right but I don't think truth matters any more. It's tribal warfare with only small amounts of spilled blood so far.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
I confess I have a soft spot for Kellyanne's alternative facts and double first name.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
I'm confused. Circa 2010, Hillary tried to ease trade restrictions on Russia, her hubby took $500,000 from Russians, and she opposed the Magnitsky bill. In 2012, Democrats laughed at Romney's tough stance toward Russia. In 2016, Obama thought Russia was interfering in the election but he put a stop to it by telling Putin to "cut it out!"
So why was Don Jr supposed to treat Russia and everyone remotely linked to Russia as enemy #1?
TerryB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:09 pm
So why was Don Jr supposed to treat Russia and everyone remotely linked to Russia as enemy #1?
No one in the Trump administration has done anything surreptitious or untoward with Russia, that's why they've all been so forthcoming on all their forms and have gone out of their way to facilitate the investigation.
BTW, I hope the new FBI director will be confirmed promptly so Trump can fire him sooner than later.
It's a sign that this place has been here too long, but the Trump dead-Enders around hear sound a awful lot like the "Iraq if fine" igx crowd right up until the 2006 mid-terms, after which Fox dropped the charade.
One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:50 am
It's a sign that this place has been here too long, but the Trump dead-Enders around hear sound a awful lot like the "Iraq if fine" igx crowd right up until the 2006 mid-terms, after which Fox dropped the charade.
There might be true Trump or Hillary believers here but I think the main disagreements relate to which choice was least bad. When the Roman republic went to shit, the choice was Caesar or Pompey - both bad choices. Kind of like 2016.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
On Fox News’ morning show “Fox & Friends” Wednesday, a typo on the ticker referred to Jared Kushner — President Trump’s senior adviser and Jewish son-in-law — as “Jared Kosher.”
...this much we know: Kushner attended a secret meeting whose stated purpose was to advance a Kremlin effort to interfere in the U.S. election, he then failed to report it, and finally he sought a secret channel to communicate with the Kremlin.
worth a read. lots billowing black smoke. has the russian mob placed their man in the white house?
Trump's Russian Laundromat
A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money.
. . .
Without the Russian mafia, it is fair to say, Donald Trump would not be president of the United States.
Outraged by President Trump’s Election Integrity Commission’s request for states to reveal voter data, some American voters wrote directly to the White House to complain about the potential privacy violation. In response, according to the Washington Post, the White House published those emails—without redacting private information. “I respectfully request, as an American-born citizen legally eligible to vote for two decades, that you leave my voter data and history alone, do not publish it, and do nothing with it,” said one voter. Instead, the White House published it, along with some home addresses, email addresses, full name names, places of employment, and phone numbers.
Outraged by President Trump’s Election Integrity Commission’s request for states to reveal voter data, some American voters wrote directly to the White House to complain about the potential privacy violation. In response, according to the Washington Post, the White House published those emails—without redacting private information. “I respectfully request, as an American-born citizen legally eligible to vote for two decades, that you leave my voter data and history alone, do not publish it, and do nothing with it,” said one voter. Instead, the White House published it, along with some home addresses, email addresses, full name names, places of employment, and phone numbers.
Watching you schmucks pursue every possible red laser dot hoping this is going to be the thing, this time, that gets Trump, is even better than my anticipation of the butt hurt when he beat your gal.
And the cherry on top is how as they dig deeper deeper this is going to backfire greatly on the Dems.
This is even better than I hoped for in November.
"Start slowly, then ease off". Tortuga Golden Striders Running Club, Pensacola 1984.
"But even snake wrestling beats life in the cube, for me at least. In measured doses."-Lex
