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newguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:29 pm
The entirety of Southern Cal, from the border up through Santa Barbara is grossly under reported. There are no tests. In LA county the health department has essentially said we are only testing if the testing will warrant some type of difference in treatment. I.E. they need to figure out if it is Covid 19 or something else.

I've got a friend in L.A. proper who her doctor said "yeah, you probably have it. We can't test. Just stay home." But she's scared as fuck because before she had symptoms she took groceries to her parents, who are older. Who then visited her grand parents. Etc. Etc.

Gav wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:36 pm Just out of curiosity, how many weeks have you been in self quarantine and why?

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pm

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu

This is a completely bananas take. FFS turn off Fox and talk to your doctor.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pmThis is a completely bananas take. FFS turn off Fox and talk to your doctor.

newguy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:18 pmWhich is insane. I'm not waiting at costco for 5 hours to get toilet paper. I'll go outside and hose my ass off if it comes to that.

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:33 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pm

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu

This is a completely bananas take. FFS turn off Fox and talk to your doctor.

It's not as crazy as you make things out. There are countries right now that are going with business. Just as an example:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21O0X6

Are they bananas? Austrians are really known for a lax and freewheeling style.

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu...

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:33 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pm

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu

This is a completely bananas take. FFS turn off Fox and talk to your doctor.

It's not as crazy as you make things out. There are countries right now that are going with business. Just as an example:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21O0X6

Are they bananas? Austrians are really known for a lax and freewheeling style.

The coronavirus doesn't discriminate, but minorities and low-income families are bearing the brunt.

Why it matters: The impact of the coronavirus is reflecting the racial and socioeconomic disparities of the cities where it’s spreading and the health care system that’s struggling to contain it [...]

The catch: Researchers would need better data to fully confirm this trend, but these initial signals from multiple cities align with almost everything we know about who’s most at risk.

“Even though we can’t necessarily perfectly understand the racial disparities in COVID risk and death once infected, we know all the other risk factors that increase the risk of getting covid and increase the risk of complications are higher for these groups,” said Hedwig Lee, a researcher at Washington University in St. Louis.

A slew of pre-existing disparities are contributing to this coronavirus disparity.

African-Americans are more likely to have several underlying health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and some cancers that can make COVID-19 infections more severe.
Lower-income areas — which tend to have larger non-white populations — have less access to health care services and the quality of that care is often worse than what wealthier parts of the countries receive.
Lower-income workers are less likely to have health insurance. They’re also less likely to be able to work from home, and therefore more likely to have to keep going to work and putting themselves at risk.
Substandard housing, multiple families living together, and homelessness all facilitate the virus’ spread.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:36 pm The idea that the US gets to skip the "wait for the new cases to drop down" step is what is bananas. The longer you wait to lock down, the worse it gets, so unfortunately it may be a while for us.

New York is a few weeks ahead of most of you, though you may avoid the brunt since NYC was particularly late to lock down. The husband from this post died today, and was certainly infected way before things looked bad in New York.

I don't know why you think your situation gets to be special compared to the rest of the world. Ignore China. Countries that lock down early and take this seriously get off relatively light. Countries that fuck up get it pretty bad. People in many parts of the US are still casting "let's fuck this up as bad as possible" votes.

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:44 pm Don't hyperventilate, dude. I appreciate your thoughtful response. However, let's take a fictional country X. It has a sudden outburst of COVID-19 and they undergo a strict lockdown with all it entails. They "flatten the curve" so to speak. Then, they open up for business, and try to get back to normal. What happens the next time corona-chan comes to town? They lock down again? And again? I think it's reasonable to imagine that this disease will have a resurgence this coming fall and winter. Are you thinking we would just duck and cover each time until a vaccine and herd immunity is achieved?

I understand that you are trying to avoid the worst impacts of the disease on your community and country. That's very laudable. I am less convinced you, or any of us frankly, understand the gravity of the economic woes this method entails.

Turdacious wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:50 pm The racial aspect of this is going to make it interesting:

The coronavirus doesn't discriminate, but minorities and low-income families are bearing the brunt.

Why it matters: The impact of the coronavirus is reflecting the racial and socioeconomic disparities of the cities where it’s spreading and the health care system that’s struggling to contain it [...]

The catch: Researchers would need better data to fully confirm this trend, but these initial signals from multiple cities align with almost everything we know about who’s most at risk.

“Even though we can’t necessarily perfectly understand the racial disparities in COVID risk and death once infected, we know all the other risk factors that increase the risk of getting covid and increase the risk of complications are higher for these groups,” said Hedwig Lee, a researcher at Washington University in St. Louis.

A slew of pre-existing disparities are contributing to this coronavirus disparity.

African-Americans are more likely to have several underlying health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and some cancers that can make COVID-19 infections more severe.
Lower-income areas — which tend to have larger non-white populations — have less access to health care services and the quality of that care is often worse than what wealthier parts of the countries receive.
Lower-income workers are less likely to have health insurance. They’re also less likely to be able to work from home, and therefore more likely to have to keep going to work and putting themselves at risk.
Substandard housing, multiple families living together, and homelessness all facilitate the virus’ spread.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases ... 677ec.html
https://www.propublica.org/article/earl ... rming-rate

I'm wondering if other comorbid factors-- like smoking rates, illegal drug abuse, use of cheap vs better quality weed, lack of physical activity, and obesity-- also play a role, and what role those factors will play as this spreads to more rural areas. It's not like poor whites are particularly healthy.

Local governments around the US are starting to take more draconian measures to prevent the spread of coronavirus by banning "essential" stores such as grocery chains or big-box retailers from selling "non-essential" items such as clothing and electronics.

These stores, which have been allowed to stay open during state lockdowns across the US because they are deemed as "essential" businesses by selling groceries or offering pharmacy services, for example, are now required by law in some parts of the US to remove any non-essential items from their stores or rope off areas of the store so that customers are unable to access these products.

They "flatten the curve" so to speak. Then, they open up for business, and try to get back to normal. What happens the next time corona-chan comes to town? They lock down again? And again?

newguy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 pm

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:33 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pm

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu

This is a completely bananas take. FFS turn off Fox and talk to your doctor.

It's not as crazy as you make things out. There are countries right now that are going with business. Just as an example:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21O0X6

Are they bananas? Austrians are really known for a lax and freewheeling style.

From the article it sounds like they went in on a restrictive lockdown for three weeks and are now easing out of it. I don't know how strict or to what extent they did lock down.

I think Sweden has been just going about business as normal though.

New Zealand has done a really good job, but I think they have robust testing and contact tracing.

I think the thread connecting the countries that have dealt with this successfully has been strong testing and isolation as needed.

I get why everyone is trying to avoid an Italy, Spain, New York situation.

aussie luke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:25 pm

newguy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 pm

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:33 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pm

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm My state has joined the insane clown posse. This is the biggest outbreak of mass insanity in history. With what we know now this thing seems to be about as deadly as the flu

This is a completely bananas take. FFS turn off Fox and talk to your doctor.

It's not as crazy as you make things out. There are countries right now that are going with business. Just as an example:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21O0X6

Are they bananas? Austrians are really known for a lax and freewheeling style.

From the article it sounds like they went in on a restrictive lockdown for three weeks and are now easing out of it. I don't know how strict or to what extent they did lock down.

I think Sweden has been just going about business as normal though.

New Zealand has done a really good job, but I think they have robust testing and contact tracing.

I think the thread connecting the countries that have dealt with this successfully has been strong testing and isolation as needed.

I get why everyone is trying to avoid an Italy, Spain, New York situation.

Here in Western Australia I’m trying to figure out how we haven’t become known yet as one of the greatest success stories. Today we have only three new cases. Yesterday was 8. Almost all are passengers from cruise ships or return travellers, or close contacts of them. There are “only” 6000 cases in the country and around 60 deaths.

We never went full lockdown, but they started social distancing and working from home pretty early on, which meant businesses closing down almost instantly and many, including me, losing their jobs completely.

They closed the borders to our state from the rest of Australia and have forced 14 day quarantine for anyone and everyone who entered the state. So all of the known cases are also contained and isolated. There is essentially zero community spread here.

Yet they still suggest things will get worse before they get better. But at this point I cannot see how that is possible.

They could keep the borders closed and open up businesses again this week and still keep the majority of social distancing measures in place. Who knows I might even be able to find a job again. But at the moment it doesn’t look like that is going to happen anytime soon.

Even if there was another outbreak here, they now know that another two-week “pause” on normal life would be just about enough to end it.

DrDonkeyLove... wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:26 pm Good luck to you!
I'm not saying that the cure has been worse than the disease but there definitely comes a time when it is.