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Kazuya Mishima wrote:Complete and utter dogshit. Would have been better served by just sticking with the original Japan story arc by Claremont and Miller,

This. I've recently reread most of the Miller/Claremont stuff and found is just as good now as I did when it came out. Mystifies the shit out of me how Hollywood continues to fuck up movie-from-comic adaptations when the damn material IS RIGHT THERE.

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Complete and utter dogshit. Would have been better served by just sticking with the original Japan story arc by Claremont and Miller,

This. I've recently reread most of the Miller/Claremont stuff and found is just as good now as I did when it came out. Mystifies the shit out of me how Hollywood continues to fuck up movie-from-comic adaptations when the damn material IS RIGHT THERE.

Same here...I kindled the old Claremont/Miller 4-part miniseries with the follow-up issues that carried over into X-men, and it was less than $6. The originals are tucked away in my folks's attic, or something. Anyway, pretty much just as good and satisfying as when I read them as a young man. They should have kept the budget low, and just made a hard-R version of the original story replete with severed limbs and Yukio getting banged. The Japan arc reminds me a lot of Black Rain...in fact, it was kind of like Black Rain before there was Black Rain...ultra gritty noir story featuring a western anti-hero clashing with Japan's culture as much as the antagonists. Yeah, they fucked it up...unforgiveable.

I still say it was awesome.

protobuilder wrote:I still say it was awesome.

You haven't read every comic book in the serious and have never dressed up as your favorite smurf at your favorite con so obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I went to college instead.

Watched it yesterday. Movie was boring as hell.

I will go so far as to say the better parts of the first shitty Wolverine movie make it a better movie than this one despite all the terrible parts.

WildGorillaMan wrote:I respectfully disagree with my esteemed colleague Mr Furman.
Daken, X-23 and a bunch of other cardboard cutout would-be badasses are all lame, derivative attempts to hit the same vein of gold that Miller uncovered with his 80s Wolverine mini-series. That series made Logan explode in the brains of all us teenage comic nerds back then...

That's backwards. Claremont & Byrne hit the vein of gold in the late 70s / early 80s. The Claremont/Miller limited series didn't appear until about two years after the "Days of Future Past" storyline. By that time we'd already seen the revelation that Wolverine didn't wear the claws, they were part of him (in the first Sentinels storyline, drawn by Cockrum); Wolverine killing the guard in the Savage Land offscreen, while we watched Ororo's stunned reaction (drawn by Byrne); W's affair with Mariko; his psychoanalysis of Colossus on that press machine in the Danger Room; his stalking of the deer and then his capture by Alpha Flight; "Wolverine Alone!" at the Hellfire Club; his love for Jean when the Phoenix stuff happened; his episode in the Watcher's home on the moon; his switch to mourning colors on his uniform after Jean's death; his taking Kitty Pryde under his wing. Concurrent with the limited series was Wolverine's awesome solo first-person-narrated adventure alone on the Brood planet.

All that stuff ignited the popularity that led Marvel to experiment with Wolverine in his first limited series, written by Claremont / drawn by Miller. Miller contributed some arresting and unforgettable images; but Wolverine was already the most popular Marvel character who didn't have his own book, and probably in Marvel's top 3 overall. The Claremont/Miller series was more a case of emphatically delivering on high expectations, than of creating a base of popularity for the character.

Wolverine had already exploded in the brains of us teenage comic nerds, before the limited series.

I completely agree that there are a ton of cardboard cutout would-be badass imitators. I also think most of what they've done to embellish / capitalize on Wolverine's story in the past ~20 years has been pretty stupid.

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Edit: drawn by Miller, of course.

JimZipCode wrote: Claremont & Byrne hit the vein of gold in the late 70s / early 80s. The Claremont/Miller limited series didn't appear until about two years after the "Days of Future Past" storyline. By that time we'd already seen the revelation that Wolverine didn't wear the claws, they were part of him (in the first Sentinels storyline, drawn by Cockrum); Wolverine killing the guard in the Savage Land offscreen, while we watched Ororo's stunned reaction (drawn by Byrne); W's affair with Mariko; his psychoanalysis of Colossus on that press machine in the Danger Room; his stalking of the deer and then his capture by Alpha Flight; "Wolverine Alone!" at the Hellfire Club; his love for Jean when the Phoenix stuff happened; his episode in the Watcher's home on the moon; his switch to mourning colors on his uniform after Jean's death; his taking Kitty Pryde under his wing. Concurrent with the limited series was Wolverine's awesome solo first-person-narrated adventure alone on the Brood planet.

Get help.

protobuilder wrote:

JimZipCode wrote: Claremont & Byrne hit the vein of gold in the late 70s / early 80s. The Claremont/Miller limited series didn't appear until about two years after the "Days of Future Past" storyline. By that time we'd already seen the revelation that Wolverine didn't wear the claws, they were part of him (in the first Sentinels storyline, drawn by Cockrum); Wolverine killing the guard in the Savage Land offscreen, while we watched Ororo's stunned reaction (drawn by Byrne); W's affair with Mariko; his psychoanalysis of Colossus on that press machine in the Danger Room; his stalking of the deer and then his capture by Alpha Flight; "Wolverine Alone!" at the Hellfire Club; his love for Jean when the Phoenix stuff happened; his episode in the Watcher's home on the moon; his switch to mourning colors on his uniform after Jean's death; his taking Kitty Pryde under his wing. Concurrent with the limited series was Wolverine's awesome solo first-person-narrated adventure alone on the Brood planet.

Get help.

Literally, LOL. Thank you Proto !