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Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:37 am
by Turdacious
In 2011, [Ariel Diaz] started Boundless Learning, a Boston company that has begun giving away free electronic textbooks covering college subjects like American history, anatomy and physiology, economics, and psychology.
What's controversial is how Boundless creates these texts. The company trawls for public material on sites like Wikipedia and then crafts it into online books whose chapters track closely to those of top-selling college titles. In April, Boundless was sued by several large publishers who accused the startup of engaging in "the business model of theft."
Theft or not, the college textbook industry is ripe for a disruptive shock from the Internet. Publishers today operate using what Mark Perry, a professor at the University of Michigan, calls a "cartel-style" model: students are required to buy specific texts at high prices. Perry has calculated that prices for textbooks have been rising at three times the rate of inflation since the 1980s.
On average, college students spend around $1,200 each year on books and supplies. Those costs, which sometimes exceed the tuition at a community college, are prompting a wider rebellion against commercial publishers. In February, California legislators passed a law directing the state to produce free versions of texts used in the state's 50 most popular college courses. In October, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said printed textbooks, a $6 billion industry in the United States (when sales of both used and new books are tallied), should be made "obsolete."
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/50 ... ublishers/
I was pretty good at finding workarounds in school. Most professors said (when I asked) that older versions of the textbook were ok; foriegn versions of textbooks are often available at abebooks; a lot of books are just collections of articles that are available online via the library subscription; books could be found at the library if you started looking early; and there was always the copier at work.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:56 am
by vern
I remember a comedian from the 80's saying...
"If you're a business major and you buy the textbook...you should fail the class right there."
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:02 am
by Protobuilder
I place 3-4 copies of a textbook in the library for students to check out.
In recent years, however, I have gone away from using text books and simply use photocopied materials bound together.
Old versions are fine - in a recent book I used, they changed the cover and a few pictures and nothing else. Even page numbers corresponded.
Publishers like Cambridge release books for $3-15 in Asia that they charge $50+ for in the UK and US. Usually the quality of the paper is slightly inferior (though required for more humid climates).
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:41 am
by Fat Cat
I recently went through this when I got my MS and I will tell you the textbook industry is a racket.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:12 am
by baffled
I got a 4.0 the semester I didn't buy a single textbook.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:19 am
by Protobuilder
baffled wrote:I got a 4.0 the semester I didn't buy a single textbook.
You made that nice cutting board that your mother still has in her kitchen as well.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:45 am
by baffled
Terry B. wrote:baffled wrote:I got a 4.0 the semester I didn't buy a single textbook.
You made that nice cutting board that your mother still has in her kitchen as well.
Nope, but I did take "Nursing" 380. The porn class.
Suck it motherfucker.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:38 pm
by TerryB
Terry B. wrote:baffled wrote:I got a 4.0 the semester I didn't buy a single textbook.
You made that nice cutting board that your mother still has in her kitchen as well.
holy shit, my mom still has the cutting board I made for her in 9th grade hanging in her kitchen!
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:50 pm
by Holland Oates
protobuilder wrote:Terry B. wrote:baffled wrote:I got a 4.0 the semester I didn't buy a single textbook.
You made that nice cutting board that your mother still has in her kitchen as well.
holy shit, my mom still has the cutting board I made for her in 9th grade hanging in her kitchen!
You go up stairs and check?
LOL
Sorry Proto I know it's lame but I couldn't resist.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:33 pm
by Pinky
Fat Cat wrote:I recently went through this when I got my MS and I will tell you the textbook industry is a racket.
This is the truth, and most electronic texts that are out now are part of the racket. Buying the old version of the text is the way to go, as long as you don't buy from the campus store.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:49 pm
by syaigh
I didn't buy any textbooks in graduate school either. The professors either photocopied the chapters they taught or I used my textbooks from college. And, everything was covered in lecture anyway.
Re: Finally
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:39 pm
by nafod
I am really surprised students haven't just scanned them and made PDFs of them to share. Too easy.
I used to check them out from the library and photocopy the whole book. Cheaper than buying it.
Re: Finally
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:28 pm
by kreator
Terry B. wrote:In recent years, however, I have gone away from using text books and simply use photocopied materials bound together.
Publishers like Cambridge release books for $3-15 in Asia that they charge $50+ for in the UK and US. Usually the quality of the paper is slightly inferior (though required for more humid climates).
Depending on how much you photocopy, it may not fall under "fair use" law or whatever. Whoever is doing the copying, whether it's yourself or your dept. or your college's library could get slammed with a lawsuit if it's bad enough.
The Asian books are the way to go.
Re: Finally
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:38 pm
by milosz
I have several friends who've pirated all of their textbooks onto a Kindle Fire or iPad. E-ink readers are better (for me) but more complicated, the Fire or iPad will display PDFs just fine.
Re: Finally
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:51 pm
by Turdacious
I found that adjunct professors and those unsure of whether or not they'd make tenure were the least likely to make it easy or cheap for students. The more senior ones knew how to work the system better, unless they'd written one of the book of coarse.
IMO the biggest ripoff was stuff from CQ Press-- most of it is available online for free with college ID via the library.
Re: Finally
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:54 am
by Protobuilder
kreator wrote:Terry B. wrote:In recent years, however, I have gone away from using text books and simply use photocopied materials bound together.
Depending on how much you photocopy, it may not fall under "fair use" law or whatever. Whoever is doing the copying, whether it's yourself or your dept. or your college's library could get slammed with a lawsuit if it's bad enough.
I developed the materials.
Re: Finally
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:08 pm
by TerryB
Terry B. wrote:kreator wrote:Terry B. wrote:In recent years, however, I have gone away from using text books and simply use photocopied materials bound together.
Depending on how much you photocopy, it may not fall under "fair use" law or whatever. Whoever is doing the copying, whether it's yourself or your dept. or your college's library could get slammed with a lawsuit if it's bad enough.
I developed the materials.
The old fashioned version of cutting and pasting.
Re: Finally
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:44 pm
by nafod
When I had to take my candidacy exams, I'd actually not had a direct course in any of the topics, due to my grad major being different from the undergrad. So I got copies of the 4 textbooks that the exams were roughly built around, and most importantly I got copies of the solution manuals too. And then I ground through all 4 books, essentially doing every problem in the books. I'd actually do them at first, using the solution manuals to check aftwerward. Then I just got to where'd I study the problem, come up with the solution approach, and then check the solution manual to see if I had it right.
It was an extraordinarily eye-opening experience. I learned those 4 subjects better than I'd learned any other in all my years. No substitute for just doing the reps until the stuff is internalized.
Of course, these were engineering courses, so they lent themselves to grinding it out. Worked for statistics too.
Re: Finally
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:55 am
by tzg
nafod wrote:When I had to take my candidacy exams, I'd actually not had a direct course in any of the topics, due to my grad major being different from the undergrad. So I got copies of the 4 textbooks that the exams were roughly built around, and most importantly I got copies of the solution manuals too. And then I ground through all 4 books, essentially doing every problem in the books. I'd actually do them at first, using the solution manuals to check aftwerward. Then I just got to where'd I study the problem, come up with the solution approach, and then check the solution manual to see if I had it right.
It was an extraordinarily eye-opening experience. I learned those 4 subjects better than I'd learned any other in all my years. No substitute for just doing the reps until the stuff is internalized.
Of course, these were engineering courses, so they lent themselves to grinding it out. Worked for statistics too.
I approve of this method.