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"Extra Antioxidants may make little difference in lifespan"

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:18 am
by Luke
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/r-ext ... pan-2015-1

People who get a lot of antioxidants in their diets, or who take them in supplement form, don’t live any longer than those who just eat well overall, according to a long term study of retirees in California. Antioxidants, including vitamins A, C, and E, are plentiful in vegetables and fruits and may help protect against cell or DNA damage — as a result, they have been touted for cancer prevention, heart disease prevention and warding off dementia.

“There is good scientific evidence that eating a diet with lots of vegetables and fruits is healthful and lowers risks of certain diseases,” said lead author Annlia Paganini-Hill of the Clinic for Ageing Research and Education at the University of California, Irvine.

“However, it is unclear whether this is because of the antioxidants, something else in these foods, other foods in people’s diet, or other lifestyle choices,” Paganini-Hill told Reuters Health by email.

Most double-blind randomised clinical trials — the gold standard of medical evidence — have found that antioxidant supplements do not prevent disease, she said. The researchers used mailed surveys from the 1980s in which almost 14,000 older residents of the Leisure World Laguna Hills retirement community detailed their intake of 56 foods or food groups rich in vitamins A and C as well as their vitamin supplement intake.

Two-thirds of the original group took vitamin supplements, most often vitamin C. The authors note, though, that the participants’ diets alone were generally more than adequate to meet minimum dietary requirements for vitamin intake. With periodic check-ins and repeated surveys, the researchers followed the group for the next 32 years, during which time 13,104 residents died.

When Paganini-Hill’s team accounted for smoking, alcohol intake, caffeine consumption, exercise, body mass index, and histories of hypertension, angina, heart attack, stroke, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis and cancer, there was no association between the amount of vitamins A or C in the diet or vitamin E supplements and the risk of death. Vitamin users may have different lifestyles or underlying disease states that are related to their risk of death, the authors write.

“In the general population, health-promoting habits often cluster; e.g. those who take vitamin supplements often exercise, do not smoke, and are not obese,” Paganini-Hill said. “Thus, these factors may explain the observed association between longevity and vitamin supplements.”

On the other hand, the authors note, people with unhealthy habits might be more likely to take supplements. For instance, they found that men who were current smokers were about twice as likely to take in high or medium amounts of vitamin C compared to men who had never smoked. A similar pattern held for men’s vitamin A intake and women’s intake of both A and C. Some large studies have found a connection between vitamin intake and risk of death, but most have not, the study team points out.

“We know quite a lot about how antioxidants act and what they, theoretically, can prevent,” said Sabine Rohrmann of the Institute of Social and Preventive Medicine at the University of Zurich.

“One of the critical issues is that we don’t know very much about how antioxidants act at different concentrations and how they act in humans who have, or who do not have, sufficient vitamin/antioxidant intake,” Rohrmann told Reuters Health by email.

Participants in the new study were largely white, educated and well-nourished.

“We know that the most important factors that influence mortality are smoking and excess body weight,” Rohrmann said. Many studies support the notion that vitamin supplements are usually not necessary because our nutrient intake via a healthy diet is usually sufficient, she said.

Antioxidants can have risks as well. According to the National Institutes of Health, high doses of beta-carotene may increase the risk of lung cancer in smokers, high doses of vitamin E may increase risks of prostate cancer and one type of stroke, and antioxidant supplements may also interact with some medicines. Since they can interact with medicines, you should discuss your supplement intake with your doctor, Paganini-Hill said.

“Antioxidant supplements should not be used to replace a nutritionally adequate diet,” she added.

SOURCE: http://bit.ly/1Fgx3a8 American Journal of Epidemiology, online December 29, 2014.

Re: "Extra Antioxidants may make little difference in lifesp

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:33 pm
by ccrow
This happens all the time, the article is a bit confused and the headline is probably dead wrong.

There have been many studies showing benefits correlated with a diet high in fruits and vegetables, that's old news. A diet high in produce will generally be a diet high in antioxidant vitamins, and many other antioxidants. The hypothesis has been that the benefits came from the antioxidants.

There have been many studies showing little to no benefit and often some harm from antioxidant vitamin supplements, that's old news.

The abstract for the study linked at the end

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... 4.abstract

says they found no benefit in

supplemental A
supplemental C
supplemental E
dietary A
dietary C

(Note that it doesn't mention dietary E, I wonder what that means.) It is interesting that there was no benefit from high dietary levels of A and C.

But the study was based on a mail-in study of a retirement community in the 80s. I think people tend to BS on surveys, and BS themselves, about what they actually eat, and that could skew things.

Anyway in any event, I don't think that means you can draw conclusions about antioxidant intake in general; there is no indication that's what they measured. Again, there are thousands of antioxidants besides the vitamins that are antioxidants.

I am not knocking this study necessarily, just saying it's a really hard thing to study. But the headline is just a misleading grabber.

Re: "Extra Antioxidants may make little difference in lifesp

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:16 pm
by Luke
It seemed a bit strange to me. Thanks for your input!

Re: "Extra Antioxidants may make little difference in lifesp

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:29 am
by Sangoma
This article is a pretty typical example of journalist bullshit. If you look at the actual study you will get some clues straight away.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25550360
...a prospective study of residents of the Leisure World retirement community in Laguna Hills, California. In the early 1980s, participants (who were aged 44-101 years) completed a postal survey, which included details on use of vitamin supplements and dietary intake of foods containing vitamins A and C... Age-adjusted and multivariate-adjusted (for factors related to mortality in this cohort-smoking, alcohol intake, caffeine consumption, exercise, body mass index, and histories of hypertension, angina, heart attack, stroke, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, and cancer) hazard ratios for death were calculated using Cox regression for 8,640 women and 4,983 men (median age at entry, 74 years). During follow-up (1981-2013), 13,104 participants died (median age at death, 88 years). Neither dietary nor supplemental intake of vitamin A or vitamin C nor supplemental intake of vitamin E was significantly associated with mortality after multivariate adjustment. A compendium that summarizes previous findings of cohort studies evaluating vitamin intake and mortality is provided. Attenuation in the observed associations between mortality and antioxidant vitamin use after adjustment for confounders in our study and in previous studies suggests that such consumption identifies persons with other mortality-associated lifestyle and health risk factors.
The median age at death was sweet 88 years. This is higher than average life-expectancy of in the longest living Japan, and way over the average life expectancy in the USA. What the study really shows is that your best bet to living long is to be rich and be able to afford retirement in Laguna Hills. It's a multitude of factors that determine longevity, with only about a quarter of them modifiable.

ON another note, out of 13,623 people that were analysed 13,104 died, which gives mortality rate of 96%. What the fuck were they comparing this with, postal reports of 500 survivors thirty years ago?

Re: "Extra Antioxidants may make little difference in lifesp

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:33 am
by Sangoma
And, in order not to appear simply argumentative, here is the link to the study that suggests that oxidative stress can actually prolong life.

How increased oxidative stress promotes longevity and metabolic health:
The concept of mitochondrial hormesis (mitohormesis)